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From: [email protected] (Mark Baker) Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Reply-To: [email protected] (Mark Baker) Organization: The National Capital Freenet Lines: 63 In a previous article, [email protected] () says: >In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Mark Baker) writes: >> To demand scintific or rational proof of God's existence, is to deny >> God's existence, since neither science, nor reason, can, in their very >> nature, prove anything. > >Are you asking us to believe blindly? You are trying to deny that part of >us that makes us ask the question "Does God exist?" i.e. self-awareness and >reason. If we do not use our ability to reason we become as ignorant >as the other animals on this earth. Does God want us to be like that? > I am asking you to believe in things not visible. I don't know if this is believeing blindly or not. I'm not sure how blindness comes into it. I do not deny reason, indeed I insist upon it, but reason only draws conclusions from evidence. If you decide in advance that your reason will act only on the evidence of the five physical senses, then you cut reason off from any possibility of reaching a conclusion outside the physical sphere (beyond the rather provocative, if inconclusive, conclusion that the physical sphere is not self explanatory). Christians claim that they have received a different kind of evidence, which they call faith, and which is a gift of God. That is, this evidence is the evidence of a thing which chooses to reveal or hide itself. The evidence of the senses cannot tell you is such a ting exists. Reasoning on the evidence of the senses won't help either. But Christians do reason of the evidence of faith, and do claim that this evidence is wholly consistent with the evidence of the other senses, and indeed, that the evidence of these other senses is part of God's revelation of himself to us. It is not necessarilly the case however that knowledge of a God must come through this route. There may be other senses than the physical ones providing evidence of non-physical realities. (There may, of course, be physical realities of a type for which we have no corresponding senses, for all we know.) These senses, if they exist, may provide valid evidence for reason to work on. And, as with all senses, these senses may be impaired in some people, that is, they may be spiritually blind. In this sense, belief in God becomes an act of sight, and it is disbelief which is blind. >You are right that science and reason cannot PROVE anything. However, if >we do not use them we can only then believe on FAITH alone. And since >we can only use faith, why is one picture of "God" (e.g. Hinduism) any less >valid than another (e.g. Christianity)? > Faith, as I have said, is not opposed to reason, it is simply a new source of evidence on which reason may operate. It is clear that human beings have many systems for explaining the evidence of the physical senses, and similarly there are many systems for explaining the evidence provided by faith. Religious believers in general, and Christians in particular, use reason to help sift through the evidence to come to a clearer understanding of the evidence provided by faith. Science claims, with good reason, to be the most valid system for explaining the physical universe, and Christianity claims, also with good reason, to be the most valid system, possessed of the best evidence, for explaining Gods revelations of himself to man. If you doubt that Christians use reason, read this newsgroup for a while and you will see rational debate aplenty. -- ============================================================================== Mark Baker | "The task ... is not to cut down jungles, but [email protected] | to irrigate deserts." -- C. S. Lewis ==============================================================================

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From: [email protected] (Michael) Subject: FOR SALE: Drum Machine Originator: zmed16@zircon Organization: Amoco Production Company, Tulsa Research Lines: 12 I have an Alesis HR-16 drum machine for sale. It includes velocity-sensitive pads, 49 digital sounds, 99 pattern memory and 49 song memory. If you are interested, make me an offer. Please respond to: [email protected] Thanks, Mike

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From: [email protected] (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Originator: [email protected] Nntp-Posting-Host: qualcom.qualcomm.com Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA Distribution: na Lines: 8 [email protected] (Jeff W. Hyche) writes: >Yes, "Clipper" is a trademark of Intergraph. Its the RISC chip used >in some of thier workstations. I wonder what Intergraph is going to >do to this infringement on thier name sake? Probably keep quiet and take it, lest they get their kneecaps busted. -- Good news. Ten weeks from Friday will be a good day.

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From: [email protected] (Ben Chuang) Subject: TCP/IP routing LocalTalk-Ethernet. Organization: University of Michigan ITD Consulting and Support Services Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu Here is the story: I have a network with 4 Macs on Localtalk. One of them has an Ethernet Card, and is currently connected to a NeXT (don't laugh I got it for the price of a Mac IIsi). The NeXT is connected to the internet over SLIP running on a 9600 baud modem. Currently, we can telnet from the Mac w/ Ethernet to the NeXT, and then telnet out again to the rest of the world. What we want to know is if there is some sort of hardware that will route telnet sessions from the Localtalk Macs to the NeXT via the Ethernet Mac. From what we have heard, AIR doesn't do the trick. Software solutions would be good too, but my impression is that there aren't going to be any. Our immediate interest is to be able to get to the NeXT and telnet out again. The SLIP connection doesn't allow us to assign IP numbers to machines, so everyone shares that 1 number...oh well... thanks in advance. -- _______________________________________________________________ Benjamin S. Chuang/ITD-CSS Consultant/University of Michigan:A2 [email protected] (consulting & referals here) [email protected] (Unix and long messages here)

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From: [email protected] (Pegasus) Subject: Re: Merlin, Mithras and Magick Organization: the Polyhedron Group Lines: 13 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: fp1-dialin-6.uoregon.edu In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Joshua Geller) wrote: > > I would really appreciate if when someone brought something like > this up they didn't back out when someone asked for details. > josh EXCUSE ME! I am -NOT TRYING TO BACK OUT- Josh, Maybe you should try to make an informed responce when your are trying to pack, and your references are PACKED! and someone responses like you did. (NO GRIN). Pegasus

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From: [email protected] (Shai Guday) Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah! Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA Lines: 78 <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: composer.think.com In-reply-to: [email protected]'s message of Thu, 15 Apr 1993 17:53:34 GMT In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Basil Hamdan) writes: [snip] In the first place the death of three soldiers on a patrol in occupied Lebanese terrritory is NOT an act of terrorism or murder. It is disingeneous to compare their death to that of athletes in Munich or any other act of terrorism or mrder. This exercise is aimed solely at diverting the issue and is far from the truth. I agree that the death of three soldiers on a patrol etc... is not terrorism. That having been said, lets continue. [snip] imagine ???? It is NOT a "terrorist camp" as you and the Israelis like to view the villages they are small communities with kids playing soccer in the streets, women preparing lunch, men playing cards, etc..... I would not argue that all or even most of the villages are "terrorist camps". There are however some which come very close to serving that purpose and that is not to say that other did not function in that way prior to the invasion. SOME young men, usually aged between 17 to 30 years are members of the Lebanese resistance. Even the inhabitants of the village do not know who these are, they are secretive about it, but most people often suspect who they are and what they are up to. These young men are supported financially by Iran most of the time. They sneak arms and ammunitions into the occupied zone where they set up booby traps for Israeli patrols. Every time an Israeli soldier is killed or injured by these traps, Israel retalliates by indiscriminately bombing villages of their own choosing often killing only innocent civilians. Once they are back they announce that they bombed a "terrorist hideout" where an 8 year old girl just happened to be. Some of the villages, and yours might well be among them, are as you describe. Not all are. There are a large number of groups in the area, backed by various organizations, with a wide range of purposes. Hizbollah and Amal were two of the larger ones and may still be. As to retaliation, while mistakes may be made, that is still a far cry from indiscriminate bombing, which would have produced major casualties. Israel's retalliation policy is cold hearted, but a reality that we have come to accept and deal with, the Lebanese Resistance on the other hand is not going to stop its attacks on OCCUPYING ISRAELI SOLDIERS until they withdraw, this is the only real leverage that they have to force Israel to withdraw. Well, here we disagree. I think that Israel would willingly withdraw if the Lebanese gov't was able to field a reliable force in the area to police it and prevent further attacks. This is the only realistic solution, it is time for Israel to realize that the concept of a "buffer zone" aimed at protecting its northern cities has failed. In fact it has caused much more Israeli deaths than the occasional shelling of Northern Israel would have resulted in. Actually that is not clear at all. I will agree that the death toll is no longer civilian and now primarily military though. There seems to be very little incentive for the Syrian and Lebanese goovernment to allow Hizbollah to bomb Israel proper under such circumstances, and now the Lebanese government has proven that it is capable of controlling and disarming all militias as they did in all other parts of Lebanon. No, the Syrian gov't is more than happy to have Israel sink into another Lebanese morass. I could elaborate if necessary. I agree, only in the case of the Isareli soldiers their killing CANNOT be qualified as murder, no matter what you say. No, but it is regretable, as is the whole situation. -- Shai Guday | Stealth bombers, OS Software Engineer | Thinking Machines Corp. | the winged ninjas of the skies. Cambridge, MA |

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From: [email protected] (Mark James) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI (Why VLB busmastering slows your system) Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia Lines: 12 In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Scott Mace) writes: > >Have you ever seen what happens when you hook a busmaster controller to >a vesa local bus. It actually slows down your system..... > >If you don't belive what I said about busmastering and vlbus then pick >up a back issue of PC-week in whihc they tested vlbus, eisa and isa >busmastering cards. Is VLB busmastering bad because it stops the processor fetching from external cache as well as main memory while the VLB card has the bus? How significant is the slowing effect?

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From: [email protected] (Tsan Heui) Subject: IN CASE A DEAL IS A LEMON .... Nntp-Posting-Host: wilbur.eng.auburn.edu Organization: Auburn University Engineering Distribution: usa Lines: 22 Hi to all. Since all of you could also be a seller as well as a buyer, I'd like to bring this issue for discussion - what would be the best solution in case a deal became a lemon? As I understand most people selling things over the net do not grant a warranty,I am in such a situation that the seller did not state whether a warranty would be granted or not and the item I received is out of order. The seller insisted that it was 'in good condition' when he sent it and so would just return half ofthe amount that I paid if I send the item back to him and after he is sured it is bad. Is this reasonable? Basically I would like to believe the seller tells the truth. Also, I am positively to say that I've not done anything wrong which might cause the failure of the thing. My assumption here is everyone is honest - so rule out the possibility that either one of the two parties or both are liars. I would like to hear your opinion - either in here or directly respond to my e-mail address. I know there is such a risk that you could lose money. But, how can we make it enjoyable to most people and not wasting the bandwidth? chein

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From: [email protected] (Adrian Nye) Subject: imake book review Organization: O'Reilly and Associates, Inc. Lines: 12 Reply-To: [email protected] NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: [email protected] Thanks for the many offers to review this book. If you received a review copy, please return it as soon as possible. I had a system crash and lost the list of people I sent it to! Thanks Adrian Nye O'Reilly and Associates [email protected]

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From: [email protected] (Jim Zisfein) Subject: Re: Migraines and scans Distribution: world Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-8298v.32bis Reply-To: [email protected] (Jim Zisfein) Lines: 37 DN> From: [email protected] (David Nye) DN> A neurology DN> consultation is cheaper than a scan. And also better, because a neurologist can make a differential diagnosis between migraine, tension-type headache, cluster, benign intracranial hypertension, chronic paroxysmal hemicrania, and other headache syndromes that all appear normal on a scan. A neurologist can also recommend a course of treatment that is appropriate to the diagnosis. DN> >>Also, since many people are convinced they have brain tumors or other DN> >>serious pathology, it may be cheaper to just get a CT scan then have DN> >>them come into the ER every few weeks. DN> And easier than taking the time to reassure the patient, right? DN> Personally, I don't think this can ever be justified. Sigh. It may never be justifiable, but I sometimes do it. Even after I try to show thoroughness with a detailed history, neurologic examination, and discussion with the patient about my diagnosis, salted with lots of reassurance, patients still ask "why can't you order a scan, so we can be absolutely sure?" Aunt Millie often gets into the conversation, as in "they ignored Aunt Millie's headaches for years", and then she died of a brain tumor, aneurysm, or whatever. If you can get away without ever ordering imaging for a patient with an obviously benign headache syndrome, I'd like to hear what your magic is. Every once in a while I am able to bypass imaging by getting an EEG. Mind you, I don't think EEG is terribly sensitive for brain tumor, but the patient feels like "something is being done" (as if the hours I spent talking with and examining the patient were "nothing"), the EEG has no ionizing radiation, it's *much* cheaper than CT or MRI, and the EEG brings in some money to my department. --- . SLMR 2.1 . E-mail: [email protected] (Jim Zisfein)

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From: [email protected] Subject: Screen Death: Mac Plus/512 Lines: 22 Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA I have a (very old) Mac 512k and a Mac Plus, both of which have the same problem. Their screens blank out, sometimes after a minor physical jolt (such as inserting a floppy in the internal drive), sometimes all by themselves (computer left to itself just goes blank). I have replaced the wires connecting the logic boards and the video board, because it seemed at first that jiggling the wires made the screen come back on. This worked for a while, but the blanking out has returned. Can I do anything? Do I need a new power supply? A new CRT? A new computer? Thanks for any advice... -------------------------- Ethan Bodin Tufts University [email protected] --------------------------

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From: [email protected] (Will Estes) Subject: Mounting CPU Cooler in vertical case Organization: Mail Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 13 I just installed a DX2-66 CPU in a clone motherboard, and tried mounting a CPU cooler on the chip. After about 1/2 hour, the weight of the cooler was enough to dislodge the CPU from its mount. It ended up bending a few pins on the CPU, but luckily the power was not on yet. I ended up pressing the CPU deeply into its socket and then putting the CPU cooler back on. So far so good. Have others had this problem? How do you ensure that the weight of the CPU fan and heatsink do not eventually work the CPU out of its socket when mounting the motherboard in a vertical case? -- Will Estes Internet: [email protected]

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From: steve@hcrlgw (Steven Collins) Subject: Re: Sphere from 4 points? Organization: Central Research Lab. Hitachi, Ltd. Lines: 27 Nntp-Posting-Host: hcrlgw In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Edward Bolson) writes: >Boy, this will be embarassing if it is trivial or an FAQ: > >Given 4 points (non coplanar), how does one find the sphere, that is, >center and radius, exactly fitting those points? I know how to do it >for a circle (from 3 points), but do not immediately see a >straightforward way to do it in 3-D. I have checked some >geometry books, Graphics Gems, and Farin, but am still at a loss? >Please have mercy on me and provide the solution? Wouldn't this require a hyper-sphere. In 3-space, 4 points over specifies a sphere as far as I can see. Unless that is you can prove that a point exists in 3-space that is equi-distant from the 4 points, and this may not necessarily happen. Correct me if I'm wrong (which I quite possibly am!) steve --- -- +---------------------------------------+--------------------------------+ | Steven Collins | email: [email protected] | | Visiting Computer Graphics Researcher | phone: (0423)-23-1111 | | Hitachi Central Research Lab. Tokyo. | fax: (0423)-27-7742 |

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From: [email protected] (Kevin J. Gunning) Subject: stolen CBR900RR Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 12 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu Summary: see above Stolen from Pasadena between 4:30 and 6:30 pm on 4/15. Blue and white Honda CBR900RR california plate KG CBR. Serial number JH2SC281XPM100187, engine number 2101240. No turn signals or mirrors, lights taped over for track riders session at Willow Springs tomorrow. Guess I'll miss it. :-((( Help me find my baby!!! kjg