tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post7128658679971298433..comments2015-08-02T02:57:29.799-04:00Comments on Queers United: Open Forum: Did Queers Have Something Similar to the "Bradley Effect" Occur?Queers Unitedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05074493276489593816noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-62699651135880753392008-11-06T23:39:00.000-05:002008-11-06T23:39:00.000-05:00"We've learned from losses on other anti-gay ballo..."We've learned from losses on other anti-gay ballot initiatives, here and in other states (Wisconsin, Colorado, etc.), that people lie to pollsters about their prejudices. There is typically a 7-10 point difference between what people tell the pollster about their views on LGBT rights and how they really vote. In other words 7-10% say they believe in equality but actually vote against us."Queers Unitedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05074493276489593816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-64199928228369888792008-11-06T01:41:00.000-05:002008-11-06T01:41:00.000-05:00Connie thanks for your support as a straight ally....Connie thanks for your support as a straight ally. I thought once the amendment was passed the constitution gets re-written. The legislature has to approve it? How many need to co-sign and how likely is that to get through?Queers Unitedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05074493276489593816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-87894393574994666002008-11-06T01:30:00.000-05:002008-11-06T01:30:00.000-05:00I should have said the Amendment if not passed wou...I should have said the Amendment if not passed would have been like Prop 8. This now goes before FL House of Reps to pass to only allow marriage and domestic rights between a man and a woman.Conniehttp://brainfoggles.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-87832135211147340562008-11-06T01:26:00.000-05:002008-11-06T01:26:00.000-05:00I'm ashamed to be a Floridian today because of the...I'm ashamed to be a Floridian today because of the Amendment that was passed is similar to Prop 8. I am a Christian and am not afraid to say that I believe in equal rights as well as love be it straight or gay.Conniehttp://brainfoggles.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-68150149700664747492008-11-05T23:52:00.000-05:002008-11-05T23:52:00.000-05:00Thanks for the invitation, QU. I probably ought t...Thanks for the invitation, QU. I probably ought to do some more serious research into it just to lay the issue to rest.<BR/><BR/>From my limited understanding, though, many people who don't fall entirely neatly into a box choose their own self-identifications, such that people with roughly similar feelings may not identify as the same thing. I know a few Kinsey 4s who consider themselves gay, and on the other side fo the spectrum, a Kinsey 2 (or so she appears from general behavior) who considers herself bi even though she's never had a steady girlfriend. So there's a bit of subjectivity to how people define their orientations.spacenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-53842110951194440652008-11-05T23:42:00.000-05:002008-11-05T23:42:00.000-05:00Julie - I am so frustrated too, thanks for voting ...Julie - I am so frustrated too, thanks for voting on the side of equality.<BR/><BR/>Space - You don't have to be afraid, sexuality lies on a continuum and you may be bisexual with a percentage of inclination favoring one gender or another. Please join us here to share your thoughts and explore your sexuality. I also suggest the website www.emptyclosets.com which has a forum to discuss it. You can also call the GLBT national hotline free or email them at http://www.glnh.org/<BR/><BR/>Ily - San Francisco is so different than the rest of the world, hence the term "san francisco values" but one day we will all have the values of equality.Queers Unitedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05074493276489593816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-38605358097217658952008-11-05T23:17:00.000-05:002008-11-05T23:17:00.000-05:00I feel like at least in CA, a lot of people were l...I feel like at least in CA, a lot of people were lulled into a false sense of security. Living in San Francisco, I had no idea how anti-gay other parts of the state were, and I'm sure I'm not alone in that.Ilyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12795337226989102549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-88145216654264651292008-11-05T23:09:00.000-05:002008-11-05T23:09:00.000-05:00First time commenter...I'm straight (as best I can...First time commenter...<BR/><BR/>I'm straight (as best I can tell) but I'm pissed off about this. Just immediately after they grant it, they take it away???<BR/><BR/>That said, I've been reflecting on the issue, and even those of us who would happily vote for gay rights are a bit insecure about their sexuality. I don't think I'm quite a Kinsey Zero. And I've often tried to repress what bi-curiosity I did have.<BR/><BR/>Thing is, though, this just points out the importance of gay rights and gay acceptance. So that people who have even weak inclinations toward the opposite sex no longer have to be afraid if they aren't zeroes. If it were officially considered "normal" and fine, what would I have to worry about?spacenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-84545334983239946722008-11-05T22:51:00.000-05:002008-11-05T22:51:00.000-05:00I am so angry about Prop 8, I can't even come up w...I am so angry about Prop 8, I can't even come up with anything coherent to comment about. I just wanted to let you know that the people of California really messed up.Juliehttp://www.juliesjournal.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-47167688155261552772008-11-05T22:28:00.000-05:002008-11-05T22:28:00.000-05:00I'll be the first to pitch in on the updated entry...I'll be the first to pitch in on the updated entry. I think there are 2 reasons this has happened. One, I think the queer "bradley effect" is real for the reasons stated above. Two, in California many liberal voters probably saw the results from the East coast, and central states and didn't bother to go vote. This resulted in fewer "No on 8" votes.Queers Unitedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05074493276489593816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-9752078468782823522008-10-25T15:45:00.000-04:002008-10-25T15:45:00.000-04:00California: VOTE NO on PROP 8Florida: VOTE NO on P...California: VOTE NO on PROP 8<BR/>Florida: VOTE NO on PROP 2<BR/>Arizona: VOTE NO on PROP 102<BR/><BR/>It's called social desirability bias. Yes it does exist. We will have to be many point up in the polls to win.Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-68314037349823233042008-10-23T20:19:00.000-04:002008-10-23T20:19:00.000-04:00Someone on another forum mentioned an interesting ...Someone on another forum mentioned an interesting twist I hadn't contemplated. When I posted this I thought about how many people might be afraid to be labeled bigots and say they are voting no a marriage amendment when indeed they plan to vote yes. <BR/><BR/>I think I was viewing it from a progressive point of view. What about those in religious, conservative communities? Maybe they are saying they will vote yes to save face in the church and community but will vote no. That is an interesting thought.Queers Unitedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05074493276489593816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-68617916478619194252008-10-23T18:44:00.000-04:002008-10-23T18:44:00.000-04:00This is one of my fears. But IIRC, the polls were...This is one of my fears. But IIRC, the polls were right (+ or - a percent or two) about our marriage amendment in Utah.Scothttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12350801865113852319noreply@blogger.com