Joel Upton, supporting Waagen's analysis, investigated whether the "famous Talbot" was John Talbot, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury, killed at the Battle of Castillon in 1453.
Joel Upton, der støttede Waagens analyse, undersøgte hvorvidt den "berømte Talbot" var John Talbot, 1. jarl af Shrewsbury, der blev dræbt i slaget ved Castillon i 1453.