He also conducted the group "The Chromatic Persuaders" together with the pianist Neal Kirkwood and was a member of the trio of Myra Melford (Alive in the House of Saints, 1993) and the quartet of Matthias Schubert .
Weiterhin leitete er gemeinsam mit dem Pianisten Neal Kirkwood die Gruppe „The Chromatic Persuader“ und war Mitglied des Trios von Myra Melford (Alive in the House of Saints, 1993) und des Quartetts von Matthias Schubert.