That means, we can imagine -- I don't say it was fantastic, but in the '80s, there was not too much war, like that, it was -- we can imagine that the civilization can become civilized.
Det betyr, vi kan forestille oss -- jeg sier ikke at det var fantastisk, men på 80-tallet, var der ikke så mange kriger, som det, det var -- vi kunne forestille oss at sivilisasjonen kunne bli sivilisert.