CA: I mean, the psychologist Erik Erikson says that -- as I understand him and I'm a total amateur -- but that during 30s, 40s people are driven by this desire to grow and that's where they get their fulfillment.
KA: Psihologs Ēriks Ēriksons saka, ka, kā es viņu saprotu, un es esmu pilnīgs amatieris, viņš saka, ka cilvēkus, kuriem ir 30, 40 gadi, vada vēlme augt, un tur arī viņi saņem savu piepildījumu,