CA: Well, Richard, when I was starting off in business, I knew nothing about it and I also was sort of -- I thought that business people were supposed to just be ruthless and that that was the only way you could have a chance of succeeding.
KA: Labi, Ričard, kad es sāku darboties biznesā, es neko par to nezināju, un es arī biju sava veida -- es domāju, ka biznesa cilvēkiem ir jābūt nežēlīgiem, un ka tas bija vienīgais veids, kā gūt panākumus.