And it was interesting to me -- my background is in sociology; I had no design training, and sometimes people say, well, that explains it -- but it was a very interesting experiment because there's no product that I had to sell; it was simply the image of Microsoft they were trying to improve.
Un man bija interesanti - es esmu kvalificējies socioloģijā, man nebija nekāda dizaina pieredze, un daži cilvēki saka: "Nu, tas arī to izskaidro", bet tas bija ļoti interesants eksperiments, jo nebija nekāds produkts, kas man bija jāpārdod, vienkārši vajadzēja uzlabot Microsoft tēlu.