And if we're going to solve problems and look at the world really differently, whether it's in governance or business or environmental issues, job creation, maybe we can think about how to reframe those problems as having both things be true.
Jika kita mahu  menyelesaikan masalah dan melihat dunia ini  melalui sudut yang berbeza, sama ada pentadbiran,  perniagaan, isu-isu alam sekitar, atau  mewujudkan peluang pekerjaan, mungkin kita boleh memikirkan  bagaimana melihat semula masalah itu dan mengambil kira  kedua-dua perkara.