As an example, a little while ago I was wrestling with an issue in my life that I knew I needed to talk to my guy friends about, but I was so paralyzed by fear that they would judge me and see me as weak and I would lose my standing as a leader that I knew I had to take them out of town on a three-day guys trip -- (Laughter) Just to open up. And guess what?
실제로 얼마 전에 제가 문제가 있어서  힘들었어요. 제 동성친구들에게 말을 하고 싶었는데 너무나 무서웠습니다. 친구들이 저를 판단하고 나약하게 볼 게 두려웠습니다. 그리고 리더로서 위치를 잃게 될 것 같아서 친구들을 데리고  교외로 삼일 정도 여행을 갔습니다. (웃음) 마음을 터놓을려고요. 그런데 말이죠,