And when people say to me, "There's a backlash against refugees," what I say to them is, "No, there's a polarization, and at the moment, those who are fearful are making more noise than those who are proud."
És amikor azt mondják nekem: "Nő a menekültek iránti gyűlölet," akkor azt felelem: "Nem, van egyfajta polarizálódás, és pillanatnyilag azok, akik félnek, hangosabbak, mint azok, akik büszkék."