ES: Well, when you look at the results of these programs in stopping terrorism, you will see that that's unfounded, and you don't have to take my word for it, because we've had the first open court, the first federal court that's reviewed this, outside the secrecy arrangement, called these programs Orwellian and likely unconstitutional.
ES: Bueno,  al analizar los resultados de estos programas  contra el terrorismo, verán que no tienen fundamento y no hace falta que  crean mi palabra, porque tuvimos la primera  audiencia pública, el primer tribunal  federal que lo analizó, fuera del arreglo secreto, y tildó a los programas  de orwellianos y posiblemente  inconstitucionales.