And what -- the way I looked at design and the way I looked at the world was, what was going on around me and the things that came at the time I walked into design were the enemy.
E que – a maneria que eu enxergava o design e a forma que eu enxergava o mundo, o que estava acontecendo à minha volta e as coisas que vieram quando eu entrei no mundo do design eram o inimigo.