ES: Well, when you look at the results of these programs in stopping terrorism, you will see that that's unfounded, and you don't have to take my word for it, because we've had the first open court, the first federal court that's reviewed this, outside the secrecy arrangement, called these programs Orwellian and likely unconstitutional.
ES: Bem, quando vemos os resultados desses programas contra o terrorismo, veremos que isso é infundado, e não precisa acreditar apenas em mim, porque vimos o primeiro tribunal aberto, a primeira corte federal a revisar isso, fora dos arranjos secretos, chamar estes programas de "Orwellianos" e provavelmente inconstitucionais.