And 30 years later I was sitting in an airplane, next to a lady called Veronica, who came from Chile, and we were on a human rights tour, and she was starting to tell me what it was like to be tortured, and, from my very privileged position, this was the only reference point that I had.
E 30 anos depois,  eu estava sentado num avião, ao lado de uma moça chilena chamada Veronica, e estávamos numa turnê pelos direitos humanos, e ela começou a me contar  como era ser torturada, e, da minha posição privilegiada, este era o único ponto  de referência que eu tinha.