And 30 years later I was sitting in an airplane, next to a lady called Veronica, who came from Chile, and we were on a human rights tour, and she was starting to tell me what it was like to be tortured, and, from my very privileged position, this was the only reference point that I had.
i 30 anys després estava assegut a un avió, al costat d'una senyora que es diu Veronica, que era de Xile, i estàvem fent una gira pels drets humans, i va començar a explicar-me com era ser torturat i des de la meva molt privilegiada posició això era l'únic punt de referència que tenia.