CA: Was there a sense from them of a narrative that things were kind of tough and bad, or was there a narrative of some kind of level of growth, that things over time were getting better?
CA: Sentiste, no discursos deles, que as coisas eram duras e más,  ou foi um discurso de algum nível de crescimento,  de que as coisas, com o tempo, iriam melhorar?