said i love america more than any other nation in this world therefore i reserve the right to criticize her relentlessly and i think the point you began with is something that we should remember that those who are critics of america dont hate the nation they love the nation they want to love it into a better future martin luther king jr said the night before he was murdered america be true to what you said on paper if the litmus test of authentic patriotism is the commitment to an ideal and a goal that furthers the conversation about all people participating equally then thats the kind of conversation that we have he shouldnt be demonized and others who succeed in his you know who are successors to him should not be demonized for their questioning raddatz professor dsouza i think raddatz i i want to move on quickly because we dont have too much time on this at the end of your film you make a turn to politics more directly and and you essentially have a conspiracy theory about hillary clinton and barack obama turning this nation into a socialistic nation something you said started when hillary clinton was in college dsouza yes its not a conspiracy theory right here a lot of people think that hillary is like bill they go well we kind of want billary back in the white house because and the point we make in the film is no theres actually a bridge connecting hillary to barack and that bridge is saul alinsky now many of us develop our political ideas in our formative years i was a young reaganite in the early 80s obama talks about standing at his fathers grave and having a sort of moment of revelation hillary met saul alinsky in high school she brought him to wellesley college she wrote her thesis on him so were not inventing a connection between alinsky and hillary theyre the connection is welldocumented what we show in the film is rare footage of alinsky raddatz professor crosstalk raddatz just quickly we have about 30 more seconds dyson well heres the reality yes she has interpreted and interpolated alinsky but shes not given the suspicions of mr dsouza somebody whos trying to bring down the american government shes trying to make that rare act of a politician in public to bring ideas to bear upon the forces that prevailed that helped the nation become its best self and to work against the the demons that are of the speaking if you will a negative impact on america so alinsky in terms of his impact on obama and hillary clinton im sure the alinskyites would say its barely discernible now in their political lives raddatz thank you both its a very interesting movie everybody should go see it and continue a debate like this well be back next with our powerhouse roundtable but first before we