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他 is one of these common words that still to this day confuses me...

My general assumption is that:

  * used as a prefix, it should always be read 【た】, e.g.: 他人【たにん】
  * when treated as a "substantive" (that is essentially, followed by の), it is 【ほか】: 他【ほか】の人【ひと】(?)

But then, some expressions crop up, like 他の物, which my dictionary indicates as
read 【たのもの】, and make me doubt whatever little I have deduced so far.

Could anybody settle the た/ほか rules once and for all (and point out any nuance
in meaning, if they exist, between the two usages)?
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Reading (and usage) of 他: when is it 【た】, when is it 【ほか】?
You are right about when to read it as `た`. The cases where it is read as `ほか`
is correct, but some (mainly aged) people optionally read it as `た`.
Similarly, `等` is read as `など` or `とう`, but some aged people read it as `とう`
instead of `など`.
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First I want you to know you are asking about what people would call the
difference between on-reading and kun-reading (音読み versus 訓読み), which are
ancient chinese (or sino-japanese, as my professor refers it) reading and
(traditional) japanese reading respectively. **Simply speaking, chinese
originated words (or parts) are pronounced in sino-Japanese ways. japanese
originated words are pronounced in traditional Japanese ways.** and that was
**supposed** to be the grand, master, iron rule of pronouncing things in
Japanese

Second is, the state of Japanese is defined on a " **sort of** as-is" basis,
that is to say, while there are some unclear rules, whatever people are used
to reading in practice, it may become regulation. This is why you see these
different readings. Rendaku(連濁, or sequential voicing, another thing that
might change the pronunciation of a word) is a wonderful example of a twisted
(metaphorically) morphology rule in Japanese. Japanese people sometimes
deliberately play with the pronunciation of a kanji to express even more
meanings than it already have.

**So what I would recommend is, do it the hard way, learn a lot of words,
before you start guessing.(as opposed to trying to find a general rule)**

Back to your answer. I think you sort of got it in your two rules, they are
two special cases of two meta-rules.

1, prefix can be associated to an on-reading because words that are pronounced
in sino-japanese are either of chinese origin, or japanese-made-chinese word.

**This is why you feel they are always prefix of something** : most chinese
words have two chinese charecters.

2, On the opposite, when a kanji **stands alone** as a word or with a kana on
its side, it is more likely a kun-reading word. "hokano hito" is a good
example because the kanji 他 is alone. But relating it with the use of "no"
might not be such a good idea. because no connects nouns, and nouns are....
nasty.

Again, there are many exceptions to my rule 1 and 2, I know you guys are gonna
list it any way, so i might as well provide some:

To your second question: not all kanji can distinguish meaning with its
pronunciation alone in a word. and unfortunately i find it hard to do so with
他.

You can often tell the origin and sound changes happened along the history
though, which nobody cares unless you are linguist or really, really love the
language.

btw there are more readings of this kanji that are not used, thought you might
be interested. from <http://kotobank.jp/word/%E4%BB%96>

［音］タ（呉）（漢） ［訓］ほか あだし ［名のり］(<-that's for people's names)おさ・ひと

Edit: I would definitely read 他の物 "hokano mono" because its less confusing.
ta+no become the head/stem of words such as "tano-mu" "tano-mashii", which
both have a tail started with m.
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