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Good day. I have an inquiry regarding a line from Yotsubato, it reads:

> 俺は4分のところを6分待ってちょっとデロデロにするのが好きなんすわ

Which apparently translates to:

> I like to wait six minutes instead of four so that it gets all nice and
> gloppy

What seems particularly strange to me is the のところ. Apparently, it behaved as
some sort a comparative word, and if my translation is correct, the line can
be taken as something along the lines of "In the place of 4 minutes, I wait 6
minutes."

I tried to do some research, but I cannot seem to find anything about this
usage, so I am taking the question to this forum. Is my understanding of this
usage correct?
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Use of のところ for comparison?
This ところ refers to a particular situation/scene, and ～ところを is a set phrase
that means (本当は)～ところで or (普段/本来は)～なのに. See: [Does ところを always mean the same
thing as のに? What is the difference between ところへ and
ところに?](https://japanese.stackexchange.com/q/19173/5010)

4分のところ is a somewhat abbreviated expression, but it means 通常は4分のところ or
本来は4分待つところ, or "the situation where one normally waits for 4 minutes". 4分のところ
**を** means something like "in a situation where 4 minutes is normal" here.

Etymologically, I wonder if this を has something to do with [を as a
contrastive conjunction](https://www.hello-school.net/haroajapa010018.htm) in
archaic Japanese. ～を did sometimes mean だが or "despite ～" in the past, and
[ものを is still in use](https://japanese.stackexchange.com/q/3799/5010) in
modern Japanese.

From デジタル大辞泉:

> ###
> [ところを](https://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/word/%E3%81%A8%E3%81%93%E3%82%8D%E3%82%92/)
>
>
> ［接助］《形式名詞「ところ」＋格助詞「を」から》通常のやり方や予期・予定などに反することを行う意を表す。本当なら…のに。「こちらから行くべきところを来ていただく」「縦に並べるところを横にする」

Here are some examples found in BCCWJ:

>   * 賛成票を投じるべき **ところを** 、どうしてもできないから棄権した。
>   * **本来なら** 平行のまま床まで届く **ところを** 、途中でむりやり輪ゴムで束ねて一本にした。
>   * マンションであれば、 **本来** 十階建てで抑えるべき **ところを** 、階高を圧縮して十一階建てとし、賑売戸数を稼ぐ手法も通例です。
>

Note that not all ところを means this. を can be a simple object marker as well
(e.g., 笑っているところを写真に撮る).
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