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It's a topic of debate to what extent Japanese has sarcasm and irony. In any
case, Japanese speakers seem to use a whole lot less of it than English
speakers.

My question is: whether or not Japanese speakers use it themselves, do they
typically recognize what is—to Americans at least—very blatant verbal irony?
Or will they commonly assume the sarcastic party has gone suddenly insane?

> ### _Example_
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> **A:** どうしてサハラ砂漠になんて行きたいんですか？ハイキングでもしたいの？
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> **B:** いや、泳ぎに行こうと思ってます。

Would a super-fluent speaker be able to sell this kind of irony? Would a
`なんてね` at the end of sentence **B** make it work?
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Will verbal irony and sarcasm be understood and/or appreciated?
Quick related side story: Recently I was with my friend who is much better at
Japanese than me. So much so that I won't try in this story to emulate the
Japanese he used, because I'd just mess it up.

It was a cold day and we were in a liquor store to buy some ice. We couldn't
find as much as we needed, so we asked if there was more in back. The older
woman running the shop asked if we were buying the ice "for drinks". My friend
replied, "no, I just don't think it's going to be cold enough tonight, so
we're going to go up to the roof and throw the ice off."

The older woman replied, "oh, then you'll need more ice."

Not just a successfully executed instance of sarcasm, but also a well received
deadpan return on the part of the woman. I laughed. We all knew it was all
done in good fun.

* * *

The short answer is "yes". A native speaker, and even a non-native, can sell
irony and sarcasm in Japanese.

The prevalent belief that Japanese culture and language simply doesn't have
it, or that it can only be perceived as "mean" is just plain wrong.

Sure, it can reasonably be said that the degrees to which sarcasm and irony
are used are different, but that's only part of the story.

What makes sarcasm and irony work in any language is the context of
understanding, which extends far beyond just the topic and words used. The
entire context of the interaction matters. The people involved, the time, the
place, the feelings present... everything. What I can't convey to you in the
story above was the lilt in my friend's voice, the understood nature of the
interaction, all the things that can't be written down that make it seem a bit
mean in writing but fun in person.

Saying Japanese doesn't have sarcasm is like saying sarcasm can't be written
in English. It's not true, but the whole reason for the existence of
[emoticons](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emoticon) is because otherwise it
can be more difficult to convey sarcasm in writing. Not impossible, but you
can see it takes a higher level of skill to convey sarcasm in writing without
resorting to emoticons. Same deal applies when being sarcastic in Japanese.

While some of the time a miss said phrase or poor use of the language can be
at fault, it is also just as likely that when a non-native speaker attempts
irony or sarcasm and fails, it's not because that form of irony and sarcasm
simply doesn't exist in the target language, it's only that they have misread
some aspect of the overarching context of the interaction. They weren't as
good friends as they thought, the situation wasn't as casual as they thought,
the timing wasn't right, or something like that.

It's an error, of course that can happen even between two native speakers, and
of any language.

However, because of this persistent insistence that Japanese doesn't have
sarcasm or irony, people are quick to blame the language and culture.

There is a phrase in Japanese that applies: `空気{くうき}を読{よ}む`. The ability to
"read the air". Having a feel for the context is what drives the ability to
say one thing while meaning another.

It is, of course, an art, not a science, so no one can advise you, "do X and
you will successfully achieve sarcasm and irony in Japanese."

If you can learn to "read the air," though, you can tell people you intend to
go swimming in the Sahara and get the chuckle you hope to get.

Hope that helps.
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It's true that the concept of irony/sarcasm exist in Japan. Having said that,
I can testify that a Japanese usually finds it hard to detect them. I've been
conversing in English daily for quite some time and I still often have trouble
detecting them. Same for my family/friends.

We just don't use it as often as western people do, and even when we do, we
use it quite differently. If you ask me, it's sensible to [follow the advice
given
here](http://www.japanintercultural.com/en/news/default.aspx?newsid=213).
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My boyfriend is Japanese, and he is one of the most sarcastic persons I know.
He's always making jokes and messing with me, saying dirty things, and after I
say to him to "Stop saying X" he would go like "How you dear to say X!, I
don't know you anymore, I hate people who say that!"

The problem I see with many foreigners with telling sarcasm in Japan, is that
the context is always lost. For example, if the foreigner is talking in
English, the Japanese listener is making a big effort trying to understand
what that person is saying, and is not expecting sarcasms.

The other one is that if people don't have a fluent accent in Japanese,
detecting sarcasm is very difficult.

The other one is that, there are in fact a lot of persons who do not get
sarcasm in japan, because they are oversensitive. But I think that applies
anywhere in the world.
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