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I'd like to understand whether the とこに配属 within this dialogue (and in general)
can be used in reference to assignment of a position such as proxy, instead of
just assignent to a division.

For context, soldiers have been assigned to divisions within the defending
army in a conflict. Character A is speaking to character B about the captain
of the divison.

> Character A says「あいつがウチら第4部隊長だがあいつは連隊長でもある。代理だが実質はお前が第4部隊長だ。しっかりな！」
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> Character B replies 「めんどくせーとこに配属されちまったぜ。。。ったくよォ」

So I've understood that as:

> Character A: That guy may be our fourth division's captain, but he's also
> the commander of the whole regiment. You may be called his substitue, but
> you're essentially the captain of the fourth division. Look alive!
>
> Character B: I've gotten myself assigned to a tiresome position...good
> grief.

It's character B's line that I'd like to ask about, specifically his word
usage of とこに配属され. Contextually, I'd assume that character B is complaining
about his assignment as the General's substitute, however if I take what he
said literally, then I'd assume him to be complaining at being assigned to the
division at all.

Basically, what I'd like to ask is, can とこに配属され be used to refer to being
assigned to a position within a division?

I've previously only come across it being used as being assigned to certain
groups or divisions, but the assignment of a position makes most sense in
context so...this isn't exactly a piece of information you can find in
dictionaries since it's more about phrasing (referring to a position as a
place) than anything else, so I'm turning here.

I would be extremely grateful if anyone could increase my knowledge in this
subject, and if you could tell me whether I was right or wrong, along with
why, in my initial translation and understanding.
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Can とこに配属され be used for being assigned to a position?
1. とこ is a coloquial abbreviation of ところ, which means place. In that sentence, it refers the troop, not the position. If he said it in standard(non-slungy) Japanese, It would be 面倒臭いところに配属されてしまったぜ。全くよ.
  2. I'm not an expert, but a division is far (about 10 times) larger than a regiment in military jargon. So this 部隊 may be a battalion or a company. I would translate it as a troop.
  3. ウチら第4部隊 is "we the fourth troop", not "our fourth division" (Notice that it's not ウチらの). So あいつがウチら第4部隊長だ is "That guy is the commander of us the fourth troop".
  4. ~~実質 in this sentence is not essentially, but practically. So~~ 代理だが実質はお前が第4部隊長だ is "You are the deputy, but practically the commander of the fourth troop". あいつ(the real commander of the fourth troop) was mostly absent, because he also worked as the commander of the regiment.
  5. You should take it literally. He complained about his assignment to the troop, which has this(#4) background. He had thought the deputy had been easy job (It might be true in other troops), but actually it was not.
  6. しっかりな！ is "Keep in there!", but "Good luck!" is more natural translation.
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To analyze this strictly by the actual words being used, 「とこ（＜ ところ）」 should
definitely refer to 「[第]{だい}4[部隊]{ぶたい}」 as the word 「[配属]{はいぞく｝」 , by
definition, means "assignment to a department, divison, group, etc.". In real
life , that is how we use the word as well.

It is true that when one gets assigned to a division, one is often given a
specific position in it, but it is still not "correct" or even "normal" to use
the word 「配属」 to refer expressly to one's assignment to that position. We have
another word for that -- 「[就任]{しゅうにん}」.

Above was for the better understanding of the original within the original
language, but **_translation is another thing_**.

If you feel using the word "position" would be appropriate, nothing will stop
you from using it. You have that much freedom as a translator and that is,
after all, why you used " **Look alive!** " and " **good grief** ", which were
not even said in the original. Whatever sounds good and makes sense in the
target language is what a translator shoots for.
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