I apologize if I am beating a dead horse with this question but is this
correct?

> なっている: have (already) become

as opposed to

> なっていた: had become

so often the meaning of なっている can be thought of as "is" while なっていた can be
thought of as "was" ?

> was:
>
> ある朝目覚めると私は有名になっていた。 One morning I awoke to find myself
> famous〔イギリスのロマン派三大詩人の一人 George Gordon Byron （1788-1824） の名言。 One morning I
> awoke to find myself sacked.（気が付いた時には首になっていた）のようにして使われる。〕
>
> いずれこうなっていたと思いますよ。 This would have happened one way or the other.

(does it work for the latter example?)

> is:
>
> なんでこんな遅い時間に買い物に行くの」「閉店まぎわにスーパーに行くと割引になっているんだよ」 "Why do you go shopping so
> late?" "Things are discounted if you go to the supermarket just before
> closing time."
>
> 「ゲーセン」として知られるゲームセンターは、若者の人気のある遊び場所となっている。 The game center known as "Gehsen"
> is now a recreation spot for young people.
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grammar verbs conjugations
How is なっている different from なっていた?
For non-durative verbs1, ~ている can mean the state persists from a point in the
past up to present (As opposed to repeated action which it can also mean for
some non-durative verbs). For this use ~ていた means the state persisted between
two points in the past. Which to use is depending on which type of timeline
you are referring to.

"X" on the diagram indicates where(when) you are with respect to the event at
the point of making the statement.

When using ～ている:

> \------------------------------>[State Start]----------------->(Present)
> **X**

When using ～ていた:

> [State Start]----------------->[State End]---------------->(Present) **X**

* * *

1: Non-durative(Punctual) Verbs are verbs that represent
momentary/instantaneous action. When used with the auxiliary verb いる, they
represent a continued state after the action was done or the action repeats.

Consider:

> 死んでいる ("be dead" as opposed to "die again and again")
>
> 跳んでいる ("Jumping repeatedly" as opposed to "Jumped and state persisted")
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I believe this to be the case for `死ぬ`, though I think there's a lot of
overlap in the following states. Note that `死ぬ` could be "to die", "dies",
"going to die" etc but for the purposes of this question I'll leave those out:

  * 死ぬ -> die/will die
  * 死んだ -> died
  * 死んでいる -> is dead/will be dead (the present or future state of being dead)
  * 死んでいた -> was dead (the past state of being dead)

Therefore, if I understand correctly for `なる`:

  * なる -> become/will become
  * なった -> became
  * なっている -> has become/will have become
  * なっていた -> had become

**Has/will have become** :

> なんでこんな遅い時間に買い物に行くの」「閉店まぎわにスーパーに行くと割引になっているんだよ」  
>  "Why do you go to buy things at this sort of late hour?" "If you go to the
> supermarket just before closing time things will have become discounted."
>
> 「ゲーセン」として知られるゲームセンターは、若者の人気のある遊び場所となっている。  
>  The game center known as "Gehsen" has become a recreation spot for young
> people.

**I think it would have (become)** :

When something has the pattern of `こう/そう～ていたと思う` it becomes "I think it would
have...this/that way", for example:

> いずれこうなっていたと思いますよ。  
>  I think it would have become this way anyway.
>
> 私の若いころ、科学者たちはこう言っていたのではないかと思います。  
>  I think that when I was young, scientists would have said this kind of
> thing.

**Had become** :

> ある朝目覚めると私は有名になっていた。  
> One morning I awoke to find that I had become famous.
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