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The following sentence was said to me in a conversation:

だから堅実な器具があっても危ないのを好むのも思い上がりなんだろ？

My understanding of this sentence is: "Is it not hubris to have safe tools and
prefer dangerous ones?"

I am assuming that the も after [there are safe tools] and [preferring
dangerous ones] make up something similar to "A and B" or "A while B" in
english. Is this the case? Also, is there another instance of 器具 implied after
危ないの? Lastly, why is there a の after 好む but not after あって?

Please let me know if I can clarify anything about my question.
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grammar particles particle-の particle-も conversational
Understanding the uses of も and の in this sentence
This も is not "also". You are actually seeing [ても
(でも)](https://jlptsensei.com/learn-japanese-grammar/%E3%81%A6%E3%82%82-temo-
meaning/), which is a conjunctive particle that is normally translated as
"even though" or "even if". A literal translation would be:

> だから堅実な器具があっても危ないのを好むのも思い上がりなんだろ？  
>  Preferring dangerous ones even if you have safe tools is also hubris, isn't
> it?

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> Also, is there another instance of 器具 implied after 危ないの

Nothing is "implied" **after** 危ないの. 危ないの by itself means "dangerous ones"
where の is a pronoun meaning "one". For example, 新しい **の** を買おう means "Let's
buy a new **one** ".

> why is there a の after 好む but not after あって?

堅実な器具があっても危ないのを好む forms one verb clause, and 堅実な器具があっても is a **subordinate**
clause (i.e., it's one level "deeper" and modifies 好む). This is why only one
nominalizer is necessary, after 好む. Also in English, you won't need more than
one "-ing" to translate this part: "prefer **ring** dangerous ones even if you
have safe tools". You can see how "even if you have safe tools" is one level
deeper and modifies "prefer dangerous ones".

It is also possible to translate this sentence using English "and", which
sometimes carries a contrastive or ironical meaning. So "hav **ing** safe
tools **and** prefer **ring** dangerous ones" is a valid translation, but
syntactically speaking, the original Japanese is not constructed this way.
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While phrases like "even though" and "even if" are often useful for
translating Japanese sentences that use で + も (more generally, the て-form of a
verb + も), I [disagree](https://japanese.stackexchange.com/a/98158/627) that
this is really a special case. The sense of "even if X" derives from "also
X-ing", i.e. "in the case where X happens, as well".

The two uses of の in 危ないのを好むの are
[nominalizing](https://japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/1395). We can tell
this because they follow predicates (the i-adjective 危ない and the verb 好む), and
are followed by particles - which is to say, they are in the exact place where
an ordinary noun could go, in order to be described by those predicates).
危ない器具 -> dangerous tool; 危ないの -> dangerous thing, roughly.

There is no の after あって because it simply doesn't make sense grammatically.
て-forms of verbs (as well as い-stems) are sufficiently noun-like already to
put a particle after them, and they don't function as predicates (unless there
is some implied actual predicate they're connecting to, e.g. 下さい at the end of
a sentence).

Breaking the sentence down into pieces:

```

    だ    から
    it-is <because
    
```

"Therefore,"

```

    堅実な 器具  が      あ   って も
    safe   tools (subj.) exist-ing <also
    
```

"even if there are safe tools,"

```

    危ない       の    を     好む   の   も
    is-dangerous thing (obj.) prefer -ring <also
    
```

"preferring dangerous ones -"

```

    思い上がり なん だ ろ？
    conceit    what be (vol.)
    
```

"isn't that also hubris?"

(Here, borrowing the も from the previous part. On a re-reading I agree that it
needs to be included as naruto did. Presumably, it refers to some other act
that was previously judged conceited during the conversation.)

At any rate: も is not "paired" with the previous one; 堅実な器具があっても attaches to
好む, not to だろ.
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