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I know that when ~上{じょう} is attached to nouns, it will mean something among
lines of

> From the viewpoint of; for (the sake of); for (the reason); in (terms of);
> relating to; in –ing

according to DoIJG. But, can ~上{じょう} vs ~の上{うえ} used interchangeably with no
difference in meaning? The example sentences in the dictionary entry for ~上
didn't include ~の上.

I found this example sentence from
[goo.ne.jp](https://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/word/en/%E4%B8%8A/).

> 仕事 **の上** の意見の対立だった
>
> They disagreed _about_ their work.

If I replace ~の上 with ~上,

> 仕事 **上** の意見の対立だった

does the meaning of this sentence change or it remains the same?

The reason I'm asking this question is sometimes I am not sure if it is
_always_ appropriate to apply the meaning of ~上{じょう} to ~の上{うえ}. For example,
from One Piece chapter 1,

> おい、よせ酒 **の上** のケンカは見苦しいぞ

Based on my understanding, 酒の上のケンカ means "fight _relating to_ drinks" or
"fight about drinks." This is true if I apply the meaning of ~上{じょう} to
~の上{うえ}. I wonder if my intuition is correct here.

Is there any difference between ~上{じょう} and ~の上{うえ}?
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Difference between ~上 and ~の上
There are cases where のうえ and じょう are interchangeable (eg 制度の上では and 制度上は),
but うえ has a lot of other meanings.

酒の上のケンカ means the same thing as 飲酒の上でのケンカ, or fight under the influence of
alcohol. It's not about fight _about_ alcohol. ～の上 can mean "after ～", "as a
result of ～", "have already done ～". It takes some word of
prerequisite/preparation.

  * よく考えた上で結論を出した。  
I thought it over before making a conclusion.

  * 死を覚悟の上での戦い  
battle to the death (lit. "battle after mentally preparing for death")

  * それは承知の上だ。  
I'm already aware of that.

In this case, の上【うえ】 is not interchangeable with 上【じょう】.
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