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How does 王将用語 (used at 餃子の王将) sound like to Chinese speakers? Are they
completely incomprehensible, stupid , funny, etc? How difficult is it for
Chinese speakers to learn them?

> イーガーコーテル ソーハンイー コーテルリャンナーホー  
>  Origin: 一個鍋貼兒 焼飯一 鍋貼兒二拿回  
>  'one dish of fried dumpling and a fried rice for here and two dishes of
> fried dumpling to go'.
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王将用語 and Chinese
I am a student of (roughly intermediate) Mandarin Chinese, so not the proper
Chinese speaker you're looking for, but I might just know enough of the
original vocab here to offer an opinion.

With the aid of the English translation you gave, I was able to guess
(although not confidently enough to post at the time) something like
`一個鍋貼...飯一鍋貼...二拿` before you updated the question with the origin, but it
wasn't easy and I wouldn't have understood if I'd just heard it spoken in real
life. The `兒` in `鍋貼兒` that presumably led to `コーテル` instead of `コーティエ` was
confusing for me as I studied in Taiwan where `兒` (giving an "er" sound) is
commonly omitted in cases like this.

I'm baffled in particular by the pronunciation of `回` and `焼`. I guess "hui"
isn't easy to convert to the Japanese syllabary, but my `電子辞書` at least gives
`ホイ` as a guide, which seems slightly clearer.

Other things that stood out were `個 -> ガー`, where `ガ` would seem more
appropriate given the tonelessness of the character, and `鍋貼兒 -> コーテル`, where
a better conversion might be `グオーティアル`. The numbers `イー` and `リャン` were by far
the most recognisable.

So incomprehensible? When spoken in real life, probably. When written down,
maybe just about decipherable for someone with a working knowledge of Chinese
**and** the Japanese syllabary and a lot of patience. Stupid/funny? I have no
idea.

In terms of learning them, I wonder if it might be similar to the way I learn
Japanese borrowed words from European languages other than English, which by
their nature tend to sound similar to the English equivalent. For me this
makes them easier to identify when reading or listening, but almost as hard as
any other word to remember the correct spelling and pronunciation (for example
my recent misspelling of `コーヒー` which you corrected for me).

_Apologies for any mistakes I may have made, particularly related to the
Chinese language. Please correct them if you see them!_
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