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I am attempting to practice my writing and I'm having a difficult time when it
comes to the situation I'm trying to describe.

> Original Sentence:
>
> I have seen coworkers fix work done by others in order to make it
> presentable to a boss.
>
> My translation to Japanese:
>
> 僕は上司に提出を整う他人が仕事を仕上げる同僚が作を直すのを見た。

My question is not really about the translation of the sentence itself, but
more about how should / how are relative clauses structured. In general I
understand relative clauses, but when a sentence starts to get complex I get a
be bit lost.

I would not be surprised if when my Japanese translation got translated back
into English the meaning would be very different or not what I intended.
Something like: I have seen coworkers fix work in order for others to make it
presentable so a boss could fix problems

When working with relative clauses I always see them as being "chained"

> For example you have:
>
> [Phrase 1][Phrase 2][Phrase 3][Phrase N-1]...[Phrase N]
>
> Phrase N gives more information to Phrase N-1 and so on and so forth

Is this way of thinking correct? Also how does a added は effect this chain? I
want to believe the last verb used in the [Phrase N-1]...[Phrase N] sentence
is what the object marked by は is going to do/is doing, but I am not sure
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grammar relative-clauses
Trouble describing a situation and the use of relative clauses
First, you want to state what was said, witnessed, or done toward the
beginning of the phrase, then the fact that it was said, witnessed, or done at
the end.

Second, who it was done for (the boss) should be placed toward the beginning
as well.

Third, the purpose for doing performing an action should be shown before
listing the resulting action that was taken.

> [I have seen] [coworkers fix work done by others] [in order to make it
> presentable] [to a boss].

Should be reordered as shown below:

> [To a boss] [in order to make it presentable] [coworkers fix work done by
> others] [I have seen].

While in English we tend to place the most relevant verb at the beginning of
the sentence, in Japanese this would be placed at the end. Following are a few
example sentences with the English version showing placement of the verb at
the beginning versus Japanese showing relevant verb placement at the end.

> **I did not** buy the thing because it was expensive. 高いから買うのを **やめた** 。
>
> **I said** that (he) should not buy the thing because it was expensive.
> 高いから買うのはやめた方がいいと **僕は言った** 。
>
> Despite the thing being expensive, **I witnessed** him purchase it.
> 高いけど、彼が買うのを **見た** 。

To use your vocabulary as much as possible, while substituting ‘report’ for
‘work’, I would phrase the translation in the following order:

> ［上司に］［まともなリポートを出すため（に）］、［提出者が同僚の知識に頼るのを］［私は見たことがある］。

or another possible phrasing:

> ［まともなリポートを［上司に］出すため（に）］、［提出者の同僚がリポートを訂正するのを］［見たことがある。］

I have taken liberty with changing the 'work done by others' part to
'presenter (of the report)', as it sounds clearer and less wordy in my mind.
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