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Pre-Text: Both まで and に can be used to determine the place of
movement/destination.

Hi, I was studying, these two Particles, I came across a situation regarding
whether to use まで or に which I couldn't get an answer because both were having
the same function in the context.

E.g.

> 埼玉から東京に行きます (I will go from Saitama to Tokyo)  
>  埼玉から東京まで行きます (I will go from Saitama to Tokyo)

So, Could you please help by answering the following questions:

  * Which one of them is correct? 
  * How do you determine whether to use まで or に, under similar situation?
  * Are there any rules of choosing them under a particular situation?
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grammar particles particle-に particle-まで
Whether まで should be used or に to determine place of destination？
So there is a slight difference between these two sentences, and though most
translations will end up being the same, the nuance changes what is actually
being said.

Let's begin with に:

> 埼玉から東京に行きます。

In a translation that best captures the nuance, I will say this: `I am going
from Saitama to Tokyo.` It is specifically indicated that Tokyo (as a whole)
is designated the final destination.

Now for まで:

> 埼玉から東京まで行きます。

My translation capturing nuance is this: `I am going from Saitama to
(someplace in) Tokyo.` Here Tokyo is _part_ of the final destination, but it's
slightly less specific by implication. It's not the complete final
destination.

* * *

> Which one of them is correct?

They are both correct, and nominally interchangeable. It just depends on
whether or not you break the final destination into parts. Tokyo, for example
has many regions and zones you can break it down into, and can be
appropriately marked with _both_ に and まで. Places like the Tokyo sky tree, the
south pole, or the Eiffel tower cannot be broken down into smaller pieces, and
can therefore must be indicated by the use of に.

> How do you determine whether to use まで or に, under similar situation?  
>  Are there any rules for choosing them under a particular situation?

Usually I'd use に. Note that this can change with speaking style, as people
have their own particular style of speech. You are free to do as you wish, but
_usually_ , I hear に.

* * *

Here's a link to the [same source as before](https://www.wasabi-
jpn.com/japanese-grammar/japanese-particle-ni-clear-up-all-doubts-you-may-
have/#3) that can help you learn more about how に, and まで are similar. They
are, for the most part, interchangeable, but nuance does change slightly.
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