I was speaking with a friend and at one point in making plans said something
like:

> 田中さんに連絡されてもらった後で…

but was corrected to:

> 連絡してもらった後で.

I understand how the particles and such work with the もらう but it doesn't make
sense to me to use them with a simple する. If it's me who's receiving the task,
私は田中さんにもらう seems correct, but looking at the 連絡する separately doesn't make as
much sense: 私は田中さんに連絡する. To make it work with the もらう don't I have to change
it to させる?

After this correction, it spurred a further conversation about using もらう and
くれる but I feel like I've gotten even more confused.

> 田中さんは私を車に乗せてくれる  
>  私は田中さんに車に乗せてもらう

These make sense.

> 田中さんは私に車に乗ってもらう

That one doesn't make any sense to me at all.

I guess what I'm looking for is an in depth explanation as to what forms of
verbs to use with kureru/morau (transitive? intransitive? passive?) and what
particles would need to accompany them.
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word-choice usage politeness subsidiary-verbs giving-and-receiving
What particles and what verb forms to use when attached to もらう or くれる
So who does the action of 連絡する in this context? AにVしてもらう means "to have A do
V", "to receive the favor of doing V from A". The action taker of V is A, and
the speaker is grateful to A. You can read lots of examples of `A + に + te-
form + もらう` [here](http://japanesetest4you.com/flashcard/learn-
jlpt-n4-grammar-%E3%81%A6%E3%82%82%E3%82%89%E3%81%86-te-morau/). The verb (V)
can be intransitive or transitive, and a normal verb or a suru-verb.

Therefore 田中さんに連絡してもらった後で basically means "after Tanaka-san (kindly) has
informed (someone of something)...". I don't know the context, but it probably
means either of the followings.

  * (I currently do not have the details of the plan, so) I'll have Tanaka-san give the details to you, and after that ...
  * (We won't directly inform someone (else) of the plan, but instead) we'll have Tanaka-san inform this, and after that...

In both cases, note that もらう implies the speaker is grateful to Tanaka-san,
not you nor "someone else". Although you may be the person who receives the
information, Tanaka-san is the person who kindly takes time, writes an email,
for example, and informs you of the plan. This もらう refers to such a kind
action.

私は田中さんに車に乗せてもらう is used when 私 is grateful to Tanaka-san for driving the car
for 私.

田中さんに連絡されてもらった後で is grammatical but makes little sense, because 連絡される ("to be
informed") is usually not something for which one is grateful. You may use the
passive voice with もらう like this (although it's uncommon):

  * 花瓶を壊したのは僕だけど、弟に叱られてもらった。
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> （誰か） **に～してもらう** is the base form to say（誰か）に～される as your benefit.

You are receiving the action; 私は田中さん **に～してもらう.**

So, it becomes 私は田中さん **に** 連絡 **してもらう.**

Let's reserve the other verb (して) simple for other occasions. (I suspect we
don't really have any occasion to say it in passive.)

「田中さんに連絡されてもらった後で…」  
This seems to be saying something so complicated like "After benefitted by
Tanaka-san's being made a contact by someone." It has become that Tanaka-san
is the one receiving the contact.

> 田中さんは私を車に乗せてくれる **_correct_**  
>  私は田中さんに車に乗せてもらう **_correct_**

田中さんは私に車に乗ってもらう **_grammatical_**

What it says is that Tanaka-san is going to be benefited by your getting in
her/his car. I don't know whether such an occasion exists, but this sentence
is, at least, grammatical.

* * *

Another formula for you:

> （誰か） **に～させてもらう**

This is to say you'll be benefitted by being allowed to do something.

We say 田中さんに連絡 **させて** もらった後で to pay a respect to 田中さん, and, here, 田中さん is the
_receiver_ of the contact.

Ex. 今日はわけあってお隣さん **に** 車を **置かせてもらった。**
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