~~Old title: Conditional patterns comparison~~

Recently, I stumbled on new grammar patterns using the conditional form the
following way (and I could not find an explanation in any of my grammar books)
:

  * 名詞・形容動詞＋なら＋形容動詞＋で
  * 連用形＋たら＋た＋で
  * 動詞: 已然形＋ば＋連用形＋た＋で
  * 形容詞: 已然形＋ば＋終止形＋で
  * 形容動詞: 已然形＋ば＋語根＋で
  * 名詞: であれば+ 名詞 ＋ で

Example: 休んだら休んだで、たくさんやることがある。

~~The author of the website that explains this pattern says that the particles
で can be replaced (in most case) by ほど.

In which case, で is better that ほど ?~~

I modify the question, what is the meaning of this pattern ?

The website which explains the pattern is
[here](http://www.imabi.net/l57conditionalsii.htm).
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Meaning of a pattern using conditional
By replacing _de_ by _hodo_ , I suppose, the author of the website is
referring to a similar (as he thinks) construct of an utterly different
meaning. It is explained in his web page explaining _hodo_.

As for the expression with _de_ , it means something similar to its former
half only. The repetitious construction is often used, for example, to
describe an undesired consequence (e.g., having lots of things to do) of a
condition that is seemingly preferable (e.g., taking a rest).
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No, it means that they look similar in form, not that they have any similar
meaning. The OP, I believe, is confused about the fact that this construction
exists. And, it just so happens to starkly resemble the conditional + ほど
pattern. Because of this, when students mess this up, they tend to conflate
them. It's not that they have any similarity in meaning.
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