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As a non-native speaker I start with the assumption of ～のに being
"although/even though/etc" and ～ても being "even if ～" if I encounter either in
a sentence.

After finishing the sentence I backtrack and re-assess if the above assumption
makes sense given the context.

Most of the time my assumption is valid, but a non-insignificant number of
times it is obvious that my initial assumption does not hold water and のに is
actually a nominalized ～の + particle に and ～ても is in essence ～たら.

Now this is fine, but it does not feel like a very natural way of reading, as
I feel I should be able to know what grammatical function ても or のに is serving
without having to finish the sentence and backtrack to confirm.

For native speakers do they have to go through a similar process, or do they
intuitively know what to expect without having to assume anything?

Take these two sentences for example:

> 元々、花の香りが大好きな私にとって、香油……正しくは精油というのだけど、植物から抽出された香りに心酔されていく **のに** そう時間は掛からなかった。
>
> 「ゆとり！！ 常識知らず！！ 空気読め！！ 向上心が足りない！！いいかお前ら！！ いつか社会に出 **ても**
> こんな言葉一つに絶対踊らされるんじゃねーぞ！！」 (in response to "俺は絶対に今年こそ彼女をつくる！！ 俺たちは今年から！！
> 絶対に勝ち組になるぞォォ！！")

If this were a book and the page cut off at のに/ても, would a native speaker have
to flip the page to know what grammatical function either was serving?

I suppose this could apply to 適当 as well since I always assume the
"suitable/appropriate" meaning before potentially deciding
"unserious/irresponsible" actually makes more sense by the end of the
sentence.
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Native speakers reading ～ても/～のに/etc sentences
For のに in your example:

> 元々、花の香りが大好きな私にとって、香油……正しくは精油というのだけど、植物から抽出された香りに心酔されていくのに

I wouldn't say it's ambiguous at this point, I mean, it is, but I can have
>90% confidence to bet on being non-idiom の + に with this much of context. If
you cut it down to:

> 植物から抽出された香りに心酔されていくのに

I am decidedly undecided.

For ても, I don't even count it as an idiom. In my language intuition, this is a
very transparent construction that も takes a te-form as a nominal phrase. も is
inherently "ambiguous" in this sense, but in my viewpoint, still seems to have
essentially only one meaning: "to put something alongside of another in
consideration". The whole spectrum of meanings from "as well as" to
"nevertheless" is matter of interpreted relation between those two things.

> 社会に出てもこんな言葉一つに絶対踊らされるんじゃねーぞ  
>  "Having gone out into the world, ( **still** ) never let such a piece of
> bullshit trick you!"
>
> あんまりゆっくりしてても、お母さん帰ってきちゃうかもだし  
>  "Having spent too much time, ( **in turn** ) mom would come back home"
>
> 変に気張ってもお互い緊張するだけ  
>  "Having tried over hard, it will ( **rather** ) only make either side
> stressful"
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