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A: タワポン-さんの部屋はどこですか。 B: あの **カーテンの閉まった** へやです。

I think it translates into this: A: Which is the apartment of tawapon-san? B:
That apartment with the closed curtains.

I wondered, why isn't the sentence built like this:

B: あの **閉まったカーテン** の部屋です。

At least to me, it seems to be less ambiguous than the original version, which
on first sight could also translate into: B: That closed apartment with
curtains.
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Why aren't these sentence elements placed in a different way?
# TL;DR:

The original sentence is correct, yours are not correct.

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There are many ways to achieve that and one of the way is through the use of
修飾語 in the form of 〜た＋名詞。

In your example sentence:

あのカーテンの閉まったへやです。

If we parse the sentence it would be:

あの-> （カーテンの閉まった：部屋）＋です。＝The curtain-closed room.

Which successfully points out which room Mr. Tawapon is in.

However in your own sentence:

あの-> (閉まったカーテン) の 部屋 ＋です。＝The room of the closed curtain.

It sounds like if the curtain owned the house, instead of Mr. Tawapon.

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This may sound better to you : あのカーテン **が** 閉まった部屋

One more example will be： あのドアの開いた車
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> > A: タワポン-さんの部屋はどこですか。  
>  B: あのカーテンの閉まったへやです。
>
> B: あの閉まったカーテンの部屋です。
>
> I think it translates into this: A: Which is the apartment of tawapon-san?
> B: That apartment with the closed curtains.

閉まったカーテン might be used in some context, but in this case, it's simply an
unusual thing to hear to our native ears.

I think it's because the closed curtain is not something expected to be always
that way. How would you say the same thing in your language?

The _**state**_ of カーテンが閉まっている is the point that we naturally feel that we
should say; we want to describe it as a (small but) clause with the subject
and the predicate.

あのカーテンの[が] **閉まった** 部屋です。

あのカーテンの[が] **閉まっている** 部屋です。

These two are natural.

If it's あの赤いカーテンの部屋です, it works just fine. This is plain natural, but
あのカーテンの赤い部屋です also works.
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