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Does V~たりする include the mentioned verb in a "perfect" (specific) sense or
"varying" sense?

For example, in the sentence 「映画を見たりした。」, is (1) or (2) a more accurate
depiction of the _meaning of the sentence_? :

  1. I did stuff such as watching movie/s etc. (I watched movie/s, and besides that, I did other stuff.)

  2. I did stuff like watching movie/s etc. (I did stuff comparable to watching movie/s, and besides that, I did other stuff.)

As another example, does 「歌ったり、踊ったりした。」 mean (1) or (2)? :

  1. I did stuff such as singing, dancing, etc. (I sang, I danced, and besides that, I did other stuff.)

  2. I did stuff like singing, dancing etc. (I did stuff comparable to singing, I did stuff comparable to dancing, and besides that, I did other stuff.)
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Does V~たりする include the verb in a "perfect" sense or "varying" sense?
Yes, it does include the verb.
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> For example, when someone says "映画を見たりしたの。"

Whatever the interpretation is, the sentence is incorrect. Proper Japanese
requires you to use at least two verbs with 〜たり form. It's similar to saying
"on the one hand", but never saying "on the other hand."

If you want to say

> I watched movie. And besides that, I did other stuff.``

then say it. I guess you could go with something along
`映画を見たし。そして、まあ、それ以外色々したよね。` Here, the "し" is what you often use to link to
actions as in "I did this and I did that." By ending your sentence with it,
you give a feeling of "and then some other things I don't bother mention."

Now, supposing you have `A1したり、A2したり、...、Anしたりしました`, then, you state that you
did _at least_ things A1 to An. Maybe more, certainly not less. Why? Because
you wrote "しました" which is an assertion.

Yet, what you could say, is "本を読んだり、テレビを見たりしても、かまいません。" meaning "You could
read books or watch the telly, I don't care." I'm not ordering you to do them,
I say that you can do any. The difference comes from "かまいません".

To sum up: たり just lists some unordered actions. What you do with these
actions depends on what you state after the list.
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