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From Genki II:

> You cannot express your suffering from somebody failing to do something
> either, because you cannot add the passive suffix to an already negated
> verb. Therefore you cannot use the passive to say things like "Professor
> Yamashita was annoyed because students did not come to his class".

I don't understand why I can't just use the negative form of a passive verb.
So from the above example, I can use 休まれる, but これない can't express the same
idea?
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Why can't passive be used to express dissatisfaction from somebody failing to do something?
Simply let's take "somebody eats something mine" situation.

> (1) ケーキを食べられた (I really wanted to eat it! but) The cake was eaten.
>
> (2) ケーキを食べられなかった

(1) is normal suffering passive example. (2) is negative form as the way you
showed, which is expected to mean "I really wanted **someone** to eat it but
the cake wasn't eaten."  
But (2) simply sounds "I couldn't eat it." because "れる", "られる" have multiple
meaning other than passive such as potential form!!

You can say "ケーキ **は** 食べられなかった" for expressing "The cake wasn't eaten." but
suffering meaning gets simply disappeared in this case.

You can also say "ケーキを食べてもらえなかった". It exactly means "I really wanted someone
to eat it but the cake wasn't eaten." and sounds natural. Note that in this
sentence there is no passive form.

If I was to say it by using suffering passive, I would say
"ケーキを食べないという嫌がらせをされた". This sounds awkward a little but it tells us the
nuisance well.
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