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I have a real patchy understanding of this sentence in Danganronpav3.

The speaker is 星 (Hoshi) and is incredibly cynical in contrast to the main
character's optimism. He sometimes explains things in a difficult to
understand way:

> 理想{りそう｝だけじゃ救｛すく｝えるものも救えない。救えたはずのものまで見捨｛みす｝てるハメになりかねない。

Attempted translation: "Some things can't be saved just through ideals.
Sometimes even what you thought was saved can end up lost."

My assumptions are:

  * The じゃ is a colloquial では
  * That もの is 物 and not 者. 
  * That the use of も implies some cases were in the positive.
  * That the まで is being used as an "even in the case of

Any help would be appreciated, thanks.
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particle-も particle-まで
救えたはずのもの... (lots of unaccounted もの)
Regarding the first sentence, yes, this じゃ is a colloquial では, and this もの is
basically 物 (thing) in general, although it may include people as well. も in
救えるものも means "even". The literal translation is "Only with ideals, you cannot
save even what you can save." But your translation attempt seems fine to me.

Regarding the second sentence, 救えたはずのもの is a noun phrase meaning "something
you could have saved", which is the object of 見捨てる. まで, meaning "even",
_replaces_ を and が.

> 救えたはずのものまで見捨てるハメになりかねない。  
>  You may end up abandoning even what you could have saved.
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