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Given a phrase of the form "Even though you're X, you're still Y..." what
would be the best (i.e. more natural or grammatically correct) Japanese form?

For example:

```

    "Even though you're that weak, you're still a soldier."
    
    A:「お前はそれほど弱くても、まだ軍人だ。」
    B:「それほど弱くても、いずれにしてもお前は軍人だ。」
    
```

Can 「まだ」 be used in this context? Most of the examples in the Tatoeba
sentences seem to imply まだ is only correct in the context of "time" (still
here, still hasn't happened yet, etc...); I haven't seen any examples where
it's applied to a noun like this.

But, even in English, I'm not sure if the concept of "time" really applies to
the use of "still" here, which seems to have more of an "above all" or "in the
end" connotation to it.

As I'm typing this, two more possible translations comes to mind:

```

    C:「それほど弱くても、お前だって軍人だ。」
    D:「それほど弱くても、所詮、お前は軍人だ。」
    
```

All four seem like they capture the spirit of the original English, but all
four also feel like they might be missing something or changing the meaning
subtly.

The nuances seem to be:

A: "Even though you're that weak, you're still [at this time] a soldier."
Which implies that later on you might not be a soldier. It seems more similar
in meaning to "Even if it's Friday, you're still on the clock."

B: "Even though you're that weak, when all is said and done you're a soldier."
Which seems close, but still feels off.

C: "Even though you're that weak, even you are a soldier."

D: "Even though you're that weak, you're a soldier after all. " or

D: "Even though you're that weak, in the end you're a soldier."

All of the translations seem to be missing the subtle implication of the
English, namely that you are a soldier, and thus capable of the things a
soldier can do, regardless of the fact that you are weak. In other words,
being weak does not change the fact that you are a soldier.

A similar, if not identical form in English would be "Even if you're a pain,
you're still my little sister," where the fact that the person being a pain
does not negate the fact that she is the speaker's younger sister.
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Which would be the better translation for "Even though you're X, you're still Y?"
Yes, English _still_ has several meanings, and you have to distinguish them
when you translate it into Japanese. As you have correctly suspected, まだ軍人だ is
perfectly grammatical, but it's appropriate only for someone who is nearing
their retirement.

B looks good to me. C is fine in this context, but it can be rude in other
situations because お前だって is "even (a person like) you". D is incorrect because
this use of 所詮 sounds like "you are just an soldier and nothing more" or "you
are no more than a mere soldier (and your personal weakness doesn't matter,
after all)".

You can also say "お前は弱いが、 **それでも** お前は軍人だ." [This
article](https://chikasterrace.wordpress.com/2018/01/12/%E3%80%8C%E3%81%9D%E3%82%8C%E3%81%A7%E3%82%82%E3%80%8D%E3%81%A8%E8%A8%80%E3%81%86%E6%84%8F%E5%91%B3%E3%81%AB%E3%81%AA%E3%82%8B-still/)
has some more examples of それでも.
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Since there's nothing much to add to the grammatical analysis by @naruto, I'd
just suggest some extra "best" Japanese expressions:

> _... that you are a soldier, and thus capable of the things a soldier can
> do, regardless of the fact that you are weak. In other words, being weak
> does not change the fact that you are a soldier._

  1. > たとえ弱くても、お前は軍人だ。  
>  （たとえ）弱かろうが、お前は軍人だ。

The standard translation of "even though..." is たとえ……ても／でも／だろうと (choose
according to word class), and you could also use たとえ……かろう（が／と） (for i-adj.),
which may still be on the Japanese textbook, but only for a solemn and/or
bookish talk.

  2. > 弱くても、お前は立派（な／に）軍人だ。

立派 usually means "worth praising", but another meaning "worth the name" is
activated in this context (better put emphasis on 立派).

> _A similar, if not identical form in English would be "Even if you're a
> pain, you're still my little sister," where the fact that the person being a
> pain does not negate the fact that she is the speaker's younger sister._

Previous #1 can be applied: たとえ厄介者だろうと、お前は妹だ。  
(Translation of "be a pain" is non-definitive, it'd vary wildly depending on
the course of story...)

  3. > （いくら）厄介者だろうと、お前が妹なのに変わりはない。

～に変わりはない is a common idiom for this situation, affirming the identity no
matter what.
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