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I am certain this is grammatical:

> 父が私を起こしてくれた。  
>  My father woke me up.

I'm guessing the 私を part is rather unnatural and can be removed, but the
sentence is nevertheless grammatical.

I also couldn't see anything wrong with this:

> 父が私を起こした。  
>  My father woke me up.

but was told it was wrong.

It looks grammatical to me. 私を起こした clearly shows that the action is for my
benefit, so do I really need くれる? Again I imagine the 私を is a bit unnatural
and I suppose removing it in the absence of くれる would make the meaning more
ambiguous.

Have I got anything wrong in this analysis?
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grammar giving-and-receiving
Need for てくれる when the preceeding part explicitly states that the action is for your benefit
I don't see anything wrong with「私を」, I found a handful of examples
of「私を起こして」in a google search.

「Vてくれる」is always used when someone performs an action for your sake (or
someone you empathizes with). So, if you use the plain verb without「くれる」, your
sentence would imply that the action is done to someone other than you or
someone you empathize with. Thus, your sentence will sound odd.
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The assumption that 「私を起こした」 itself clearly shows that the action is for the
speaker's benefit seems an unwarranted one. Surely there are plenty of cases
of being woken up where one's interests are more harmed than benefitted?

「私を起こした」 can stand without 「(～て)くれる」 just fine, but not because it clearly
shows that the action is for the speaker's benefit but more because it _does
not_ clearly show that the action is for the speaker's benefit.

If the verb phrase expresses an action that is by nature beneficial to the
speaker (or to someone from whose perspective they are speaking), that, if
anything, is all the more reason to use 「(～て)くれる」. This is because 「(～て)くれる」
is an expression, before all else, of the speaker's _recognition_ that the
action is beneficial to them. With verbs that denote actions that are
inherently beneficial (like 助ける), not using 「(～て)くれる」 is sometimes even
unnatural, depending on the context. Consider the following:

> (1)佐藤さんは僕が困っているところを助けてくれました。

> (2)佐藤さんは僕が困っているところを助けました。

In (1), the speaker is helped/saved by Sato-san, the performer of an act that
is (inherently) beneficial, and (～て)くれる appropriately adds the information of
the the speaker's recognition thereof. (That is, 「助ける」 and 「～てくれる」 work
together, but there is no redundancy between them.)

The (～て)くれる-less (2) can sound like it is uttered by a person who lacks the
appreciation of the basic fact that being saved/helped is something that is
beneficial to them, barring cases where personal viewpoints and feelings are
discarded for objectivity.

But since in the sentence 「父が私を起こした。」, the verb phrase does not express an
action that is by nature beneficial to the speaker (unlike 「僕を助けた」), this will
not be an issue.

Both 「父が私を起こしてくれた。」 and 「父が私を起こした。」 are fine sentences. The first one
indicates the speaker's recognition that the father's waking them up was
beneficial to them (plus appreciation/gratefulness for the act), while the
second one does not, which is not odd at all, because being woken up is not
always something particularly beneficial and to be thankful for.
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