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I can not understand very well this "～とでもいうのか" found in Dragon Ball.

The context in this: Goku and Frieza begin to fight, and Goku say:

> "いいかげんにしろ。。。このクズやろう。。。罪もない者をつぎからつぎへと殺しやがって。。。クリリンまで。。。"

Frieza reply:

> "えらそうなことをいいやがって。。。きさまらサイヤ人は罪のないものを殺さなかったとでもいうのか?"

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I found here on japanesestackexchange some topics in which has been discussed
about this "～とでもいうのか".
[Here](https://japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/12202/can-anyone-explain-
the-grammar-behind-the-sentence-ending-%E3%81%A8%E3%81%A7%E3%82%82) is stated
that is a expression for add emphasis.
[Here](https://japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/21363/what-
does-%E3%81%A8%E3%81%A7%E3%82%82-mean) and
[here](https://japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/21156/function-
of-%E3%81%A7%E3%82%82-in-%E3%81%A8%E3%81%A7%E3%82%82%E8%A8%80%E3%81%86%E3%81%B9%E3%81%8D%E3%81%A7%E3%81%82%E3%82%8D%E3%81%86%E3%81%8B)
it is says that "～とでもいうのか" stands for "or something".

So, which is the correct answer? And, is this translation correct?

"You wouldn't be saying that you saiyan never killed innocent people?"
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"～とでもいうのか" meaning in this sentence
I'll make my answer short, as it doesn't appear you are requesting too much
explanation.

There are a few different interpretations of ～とでもいう that are very context
dependent. The closest I found to this context would be a Weblio definition
found
[here](https://ejje.weblio.jp/content/%E3%81%A8%E3%81%A7%E3%82%82%E8%A8%80%E3%81%86),
namely:

> とでもいう － as if to say; as if; as though

I would translate it as:

> 'As if you damn Saiyans never killed any innocents!'

or

> 'Are you trying to tell me that you damn Saiyans never killed any innocent
> people!'

or something along those lines.
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As you can easily see in your [first
answer](https://japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/12202/can-anyone-explain-
the-grammar-behind-the-sentence-ending-%E3%81%A8%E3%81%A7%E3%82%82), the
sentence-end `～とでも(言うのか)?` is used almost as a set expression, and almost
always has a fairly accusatory overtone; "Are you really saying ～?" I could
not find a perfect explanation of this でも in monolingual dictionaries, so I
think you can memorize this as a fixed pattern. But the closest definition in
dictionaries was "～ or something like that", as your remaining answer says.

See also:

  * [Meaning of "でも" in "食事でもどうですか？"](https://japanese.stackexchange.com/q/21519/5010)
  * [Sentence ending with -とでも](https://japanese.stackexchange.com/q/12200/5010)
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