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According to
[コトバンク](https://kotobank.jp/word/%E3%81%9D%E3%82%8C%E3%81%A7%E3%82%82%E3%81%A3%E3%81%A6-2057927),
it is the exact same as two different definitions of それで。

Then there is this [ベストアンサー](https://oshiete.goo.ne.jp/qa/2109219.html) which
gives many usage examples. Again, it seems to be a very casual filler word
meaning それで。On that same page, another person says it is from `それで以て` and that
`以て：手段・方法・材料などを表す` so that it means `…で。…でもって。…によって`。

(1) But if the entire expression just means それで, what is the role of the
以って（以て）? Is it actually adding meaning? I mean, should it actually be thought
of as それで＋以って？

(2) Would it be considered slang or standard?

(3) How often is it used and does usage frequency change with age bracket or
gender?
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What is そんでもって?
「そ（れ/ん）でもって」 means practically the same thing as 「そ（れ/ん）で」. The only
difference worth mentioning IMHO is that the former sounds more emphatic than
the latter.

The former is the type of expression that tends to be used (repeatedly) by the
same speakers. Other speakers, myself included, would rarely if ever use it.

「以{もっ}て」 is a unique word in the sense that it has multiple, very different
meanings and usages. Placing emphasis is just one of them.

**Time** : 「10月31日を **以て** SEを辞{や}めます。」 = "I shall leave SE **as of** October
31."

**Reason** : 「交通違反{こうつういはん}を **以て** ドミノピザより解雇{かいこ}となった。」 = "(Someone) has been
fired by Domino Pizza **for** traffic violations."

**Method** : 「毒{どく}を **以て** 毒を制{せい}す。」 = "Fight fire **with** fire."
Literally, "Control poison with poison."

**Emphasis** : 「レレクトゥールの回答{かいとう}は全{まった}く **以て** 意味不明{いみふめい}だ。」 =
"@l'électeur's answer is just completely nonsensical." In this sentence, 「以て」
is used purely for emphasis; therefore, the sentence's meaning will not change
if 「以て」 is dropped.

There are a couple of other advanced usages of 「以て」, but I will not get into
that.

> (1) But if the entire expression just means それで, what is the role of the
> 以って（以て）? Is it actually adding meaning? I mean, should it actually be
> thought of as それで＋以って？

The role is to emphasize 「それで」. As I stated above, dropping the 「以て」 will not
change the meaning of 「それで」 one bit. For people who do use 「そ（れ/ん）でもって」
regularly, I am pretty sure it is just "one word".

One thing that I kind of hesitated to mention earlier is the "good" rhythm the
phrase 「そんでもって」 creates for the native speakers. It sounds lively with both a
ん and a small っ in such a short expression. Sound is most important in
Japanese because after all, Japanese has been a spoken language for most of
its history. Sound was all we had. Need I mention our countless onomatopoeias?

> (2) Would it be considered slang or standard?

It is colloquial, informal, conversational, etc. I would not call it slang as
it is not something understood exclusively by special groups of people.

Use it, if you want to, only with your friends and family in informal
situations.

> (3) How often is it used and does usage frequency change with age bracket or
> gender?

As I mentioned earlier, it is not used by "everyone" -- at least not on a
regular basis. It is often the same people who "habitually" use 「そんでもって」.

Age and gender have little to do with the usage frequency, but you will
rarely, if ever, hear a toddler use it.
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