How do they work in relation with the particles? Like for example わたしの知らないこと
vs 私に分からないこと. I notice that the 知らない doesn’t really go with the particle に
like in the other one. Why is that and do transitive verbs need to have an
object in modifying clauses? Like comparing ケーキを食べる時間 for example, both 食べる
and 知る are transitive, then why does 知る not have an object in modifying
clauses? I understand it makes sense when you hear it, but I am not sure how
it really works.
CC BY-SA 4.0
2021-10-05T20:15:27.080
90634
2021-10-06T04:41:30.487
2021-10-06T04:41:30.487
30454
48269
question
grammar relative-clauses transitivity
How does the transitive and intransitive verbs work when modifying a noun?
The noun phrase わたしの知らないこと is the result of replacing the placeholder in the
following sentence with the noun こと and modifying it with the rest of the
sentence.

> わたしが＿＿＿＿＿を知らない。

What comes in the placeholder is the direct object of the verb 知る and
therefore marked with を in the original sentence. However, when it is
converted into a noun phrase, the particle that goes with the modified noun
needs to be dropped.

The の in the noun phrase is because the subject marker が can be replaced with
の in a noun-modifying clause as explained in the following question.

  * [How does the の work in 「日本人の知らない日本語」?](https://japanese.stackexchange.com/q/12825/43676).

わたしが知らないこと is also grammatical.

The sentence that resulted in わたしに分からないこと is the following.

> わたしに＿＿＿＿＿が分からない。

If you are not already familiar with these usages of に and が, you may want to
take a look at the following questions.

  * [が and に interchangeability and difference in meaning](https://japanese.stackexchange.com/q/4440/43676)
  * [Why is it 日本語がわかります instead of 日本語をわかります?](https://japanese.stackexchange.com/q/2505/43676).

This usage of に is uncommon, if not ungrammatical, with the verb 知る.

The が is dropped in the noun phrase for the same reason the を is dropped in
the first example.

ケーキを食べる時間 is the result of replacing the placeholder in the following
sentence, which expects a time expression (e.g. ３時), with 時間 and modifying it
with the rest of the sentence.

> ＿＿＿＿＿にケーキを食べる。

The に gets dropped for the reason explained above, but the object marker を
remains because it goes with ケーキ, not 時間.
CC BY-SA 4.0
2021-10-06T00:11:36.257
90637
2021-10-06T00:11:36.257
43676
90634
answer