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Firstly I have this sentence with のと; the context being a girl helping a boy
with a math problem that he got wrong. She is literally sitting next to him
and says:

> でここはマイナスかけるマイナスになる **のと** 計算の順番を注意

At first I thought this was just the の that nominalizes the preceding clause
and the conditional と which would mean something like, `"Now, when this
becomes a negative times a negative, watch out for the calculation order."`
However, it just felt weird to think of it like that because it just sounds
generally odd and also I'm not sure what the point of having の there would be
if it's a conditional. Anyhow, this lead me to wonder if this のと was working
somewhat like から, denoting a cause/effect and is to mean "because" or "so";
making the sentence to mean, `"Now, this becomes a negative times a negative
so watch out for the calculation order."` I did find [this
answer](https://japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/29551/meaning-
of-%E3%81%AE%E3%81%A8-%E3%81%AE%E3%81%A7) on here, which gave me some
confidence that I'm right but I'd like it if someone could confirm it.

Second, I have these sentences with the other two "issues"; the context here
is that the speaker who is 先生, brings her students to her family's rice field
for the day instead of class. The students look uninterested and then 先生 says:

> 今日はこちらの田んぼお手伝いをしてもらいます。まぁこちらと言っても先生 **とこ** の田んぼですが。あっ違う違う！ **別に**
> バイトを雇うお金がないとか、先生が家の手伝いするのが **めんどい** とかだから生徒に労働させてるってわけじゃなくてね

I'm not quite sure what sort of nuance とこ adds to the meaning when 先生の田んぼ
would already mean, "teacher's rice field". In addition, I'm having a little
bit of trouble parsing this, and I'm not sure whether or not 別に is modifying
めんどい. I thought it was at first glance (which made me wonder why it's not
めんどくない) but, as I have been typing out this question I think I'm realizing
that it's not. That being said, I did find this
[answer](https://japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/58408/trouble-
understanding-different-meanings-of-%E3%81%B9%E3%81%A4%E3%81%AB), and it seems
to indicate that 別に implies a negative. But now, I'm just thinking 別に is only
modifying お金がない. Even though I think I'm starting to actually see how this
sentence works, if someone could break it down and show me how I should parse
it, that would be great.

Also, my attempted translation for those sentences: `Today I'll have you help
me with this rice field. Well, even if say, "this", it's Sensei's (my) rice
field... Oh it's not what you think! It's not particularly that we don't have
the money to hire a part timer or because it's troublesome for Sensei to help
with the house, so it's not like I'm making (you) students work (because of
that).` I actually think this translation is pretty much correct (other than
no translation for とこ), however I think I am getting to this conclusion based
on an intuition of what makes sense in the context and the words used on a
whole, rather than fully parsing and understanding (if that makes sense).
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grammar negation suffixes
What is this "のと" performing here? "とこ" as a suffix? And how to parse this sentence with "別に"?
That の is a nominalizer. It can be replaced with こと in this particular
sentence.

と connects マイナスかけるマイナスになるの and 計算の順番 as “and.” It might have been better
balanced if the latter also ended with a nominalizer, like 計算の順番が変わるの (or こと).

先生とこ is for 先生のところ. You can say 先生のとこ or 先生んとこ, too. This ところ should be
understood as “family” or “household.” 先生の田んぼ would be most likely understood
as a rice field owned by the teacher herself.

別に modifies わけじゃなくて.
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