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> 別に僕は周りを無視して本に没頭したいわけでもないので、見ろと **言われれば** 見る

Would it mean the same thing if `言われれば` was replaced with `言われば`? What's the
difference if any between ~れれば and ~れば?

I'm also not certain of the meaning of the sentence- is the second part trying
to say "If told to look, I'll look"? (If so `言われば` would be fitting as well
wouldn't it?)
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translation nuances verbs conjugations conditionals
What's the difference between ～れれば and ～れば?
言われば is not correct. You should use 言われれば (or 言われたら).

> is the second part trying to say "If told to look, I'll look"?

Yes, I think you're right. 言われれば consists of 言わ(未然形 of 動詞「言う」) + れれ(仮定形 of
助動詞「れる」) + ば(接続助詞).
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The conditional _-(r)eba_ has two forms:

  1. Following a consonant-stem verb, it takes the form of _-eba_ :
```      行く　　   i **k** -u　→　　行けば　　   i **k** -eba  
     泳ぐ　　 oyo **g** -u　→　　泳げば　　 oyo **g** -eba
     差す　　  sa **s** -u　→　　差せば　　  sa **s** -eba
     放つ　　hana **t** -u　→　　放てば　　hana **t** -eba
     死ぬ　　  si **n** -u　→　　死ねば　　  si **n** -eba
     運ぶ　　hako **b** -u　→　　運べば　　hako **b** -eba
     飲む　　  no **m** -u　→　　飲めば　　  no **m** -eba
     走る　　hasi **r** -u　→　　走れば　　hasi **r** -eba
     構う　　kama **w** -u　→　　構えば　　kama **w** -eba　（note: / **w** / disappears before vowels other than /a/,
     　　　　     ****  　　　　　　　　　    ****     　so we end up with kama-u and kama-eba instead)
    
```

  2. Following a vowel-stem verb, it takes the form of _-reba_ :
```      食べる　tab **e** -ru　→　食べれば　　tab **e** -reba  
     生きる　 ik **i** -ru　→　生きれば　　 ik **i** -reba
    
```

So for short, we call it _-(r)eba_ , using the parentheses to indicate both
forms at the same time.

* * *

What about your example, 言われれば? Let's take this apart.

First, we'll start with consonant-stem verb 言う. Its stem is _i **w** -_, but
the / **w** / disappears before every vowel except /a/ in modern Japanese,
which is why we end up with forms like 言わない _i **w** -anai_ but 言う _i-u_. The
/ **w** / disappears from _i **w** -u_ and leaves us with _i-u_.

Next, we want to add the passive _-(r)ar **e** -_ to this verb. We add it
directly to the stem _i **w** -_, which gives us 言われる _iw-ar **e** -_. As you
can see, we end up with a vowel-stem verb.

Last, we'll add the conditional _-(r)eba_. Since we're adding it to a vowel-
stem verb, it takes the form of _-reba_ , and we end up with _iw-ar **e**
-reba_. As you can see, the two れs belong to different morphemes; you can't
remove either of them.

For this reason, your alternative, *言われば, is ungrammatical.
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