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I have a couple of questions. **Can verb-suru verbs be classified as
jidoushi/tadoushi?**

And could you take a look at this legend to help clear up my confusion?

![legend](https://i.stack.imgur.com/PkLYB.jpg) _Higher-
res:<https://i.stack.imgur.com/PkLYB.jpg>_

I'm having trouble understanding the significance of the ガ/ヲ and (ヲ)スル that
gets wrapped around the vocabulary items in this vocab book.

It mentions that ガ/ヲ indicate 自動詞/他動詞, but I don't know if that applies to the
bold part of the vocabulary item (the 見出し語) — it's rare but there are entries
that have an ＜他＞ or ＜自＞ mark, along with accompanying example sentences.

Also confusing is that an example sentence for 超過 uses を (albeit with a marker
over the を) even though ガ is prefixed to the vocab item.

So, **what's the significance of them**? They come in a variety of
combinations:

  * ヲ **設定** （ヲ）スル
  * ガ／ヲ **中断** スル
  * ガ **作業** （ヲ）スル

I couldn't find an example when the ＜他＞ mark is used with verb-suru words, but
here are some more examples:

![hassei](https://i.stack.imgur.com/CUdMW.jpg) _higher-
res:<https://i.stack.imgur.com/CUdMW.jpg>_

![masu](https://i.stack.imgur.com/Knl7b.jpg) _higher-
res:<https://i.stack.imgur.com/Knl7b.jpg>_

![semaru](https://i.stack.imgur.com/194Zk.jpg) _higher-
res:<https://i.stack.imgur.com/194Zk.jpg>_
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Trying to make sense of this 記号, I'm wondering if verb-suru verbs can be jidoushi/tadoushi?
In your book, `車がスピードを増した` is listed under intransitives (<自>) rather than
transitives (<他>) even though it has an を-marked phrase. This seems to suggest
that the book is making the (in)transitive distinction in a non-standard way
so that it does not coincide with ガ/ヲ marking. (It says
`ガ/ヲはそれぞれの動詞が自動詞/他動詞であることを表す`, but that contradicts with the listing mention
above.) Let's see if there are other interpretations than mine.

* * *

**The distinction made in the book**

> `ヲ`: Verbs that take a phrase marked with `を`. (Transitive verbs in the
> standard sense)  
>  `ガ`: Other verbs. (Intransitive verbs in the standard sense)
>
> `<他>`: Verbs that take a semantically typical object (such as theme)  
>  `<自>`: Other verbs

Typical objects are noun phrases that have the semantic role technically
called _theme_ , that is, the object of the act mentioned by the verb. It
usually goes under some change of state or its location changes. For example,
in `John painted the wall`, `the wall` is an object in the ordinary sense as
well as a typical object since the act of painting is done against the wall,
which undergoes change. Opposed to this, in `The car gained speed`, `speed` is
not a typical object, and some people may find it controversial as to call
this an object in the ordinary sense. Because of this difference, `ヲ` vs. `ガ`
does not coincide with `<他>` vs. `<自>` in the sense mentioned in the book.

There is another use of `ヲ` found in your book. For example, in:

> ヲ設定（ヲ）スル

the second `ヲ` is mentioning that you may put an `を` between the noun and
`する`. Some suru-nouns require this `を`, some can optionally take it, and some
do not take it. This depends on how much the suru-noun (usually a kango or
gairaigo) became familiar in Japanese. You have to memorize this for each
suru-noun. Note that two `を` are not allowed in a single clause in Japanese,
so they will not be used together. In the above example, you have to go with
either of the first two of:

> 友達がファイルを設定する  
>  友達がファイルの設定をする  
>  × 友達がファイルを設定をする

Finally, just as given in your examples, noun-suru verbs do have
transitive/intransitive distinction in the ordinary sense or in the sense
mentioned in the book.
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Just to complement the previous answer. Judging by the photos you posted, your
book seems to by trying to tell you that there are verbs that have both an
intransitive meaning (marked by ガ) and a transitive meaning (marked by ヲ).
When this happens, it gives examples for boths senses: the examples for the
intransitive sense are under 自、the examples for transitive sense by 他. To take
an example; as you can see in Jisho, [増す](https://jisho.org/search/masu) has
both a transitive and intransitive meaning, so your book marks it with "ガ・ヲ".
Then it provides the examples: under the heading < 自> are all the intransitive
ones and they all take ガ; under <他> all the transitive ones and they all take
を（ヲ）.  
When the verb only has a intransitive/transitive meaning, it will provide you
with a verb that has the other meaning. So for example 欠ける it's marked by ガ:
this verb only has an intransitive meaning. Then you get to the bottom of the
page, and you find some examples under the heading <他>; **but these are
examples that use the verb 欠く, the transitive "version" of 欠ける**. So
**茶碗の縁がかけてしまいまった** "The brim of the cup is chipped". but **義理を欠く** "To break
your duty". If you are confused about what transitive and intransitive means
and their link to the particles "が・を" check
[this](https://jlptsensei.com/learn-japanese-
grammar/%E4%BB%96%E5%8B%95%E8%A9%9E-%E8%87%AA%E5%8B%95%E8%A9%9E-transitive-
intransitive-verbs-meaning/) .
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