I have found this sentence:

> 家族で出かける。(Kazoku de dekakeru.)

Why is the particle で used instead of と?
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Why is particle で used instead of particle と in 家族で出かける (Kazoku de dekakeru)?
The difference between using で and と is the difference between "we went out as
a family" and "I went out with my family", I think of it as rather like the
French "en famille". 家族で is very common expression and you can also hear this
grammatical use when people refer to doing things as a group (グループで／皆でやりましょう).

It is another variation on the use of the で particle to indicate the means/use
of something to do something else (映画をテレビで見た、日本語で話した etc) although I must
admit I find it easier to remember and understand intuitively rather than by
trying to rationalise this definition.

(The easiest way I can think of to explain the double use で is to compare it
to the use of "how" in English: The question "How did you go to the races?"
can grammatically be answered in two ways: "As a group/as a family" or "By
car". The difference is that where as in English we use the same word to make
two different inquiries, in Japanese we use the same particle to give two
different answers to [what would be] the same inquiry [in English].)
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