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Hi, I am having a hard time understanding the meaning of this part of Tobira
Ch 9 dialogue 4. I'll write my understanding, sentence by sentence. I'm not
trying to really translate, but to illustrate which parts I'm not getting.

* * *

Emily: Usually when Japanese people are praised, they immediately say
something humble (謙遜). But sometimes they're just polite. But those times, _[
I don't understand this part - "something bad is attached to the
complement"?]_

Sensei : You noticed something interesting, didn't you. That's right. The
compliment was hard to get (せっかく褒めてもらった), so without denying it you quickly
accept. But because you want to show humility, _[ I'm not clear here either]_

Emily: That's right. Whenever you praise someone, that person _[ again not
sure - "that person saying thanks is..."]_ because you're saying something bad
about the praised thing, I thought it was a little strange, but recently I've
understood Japanese people's humility habits (謙遜の習慣)

* * *

Please help me fill in the blanks. When japanese people are complemented and
are humble, it sounds like they're disagreeing, but that's not the case?
Really enjoying the textbook by the way, overall strongly recommended for
post-genki learners.
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Tobira Ch9 dialogue 4 - 褒められたことについて何かちょっとよくないことを付け加える
As a concrete example, the dialogue refers to the following kind of exchange.

A: 広いお庭ですね。 B: 田舎だから土地が安いんですよ

Here A says the garden (of B's house) is huge, and B humbles indirectly by
degrading the neighborhood as the countryside where the land is cheap.

Basically, disagreeing with the compliment directly would spoil the favor and
agreeing with it would mean praising themselves or things in their inner
circle - both are out of manners in Japanese standard.

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I suppose, with the above in mind, 褒められたことについて何かちょっとよくないことを付け加える should be
straightforward. Just consider part by part

  * 褒められたことについて to/about what was given a compliment
  * 何かちょっとよくないことを something a little negative
  * 付け加える add

So, it means _(Japanese people often expresses humbleness by) adding a bit
negative comment on the thing that was mentioned in the compliment_.
なにかちょっとマイナスのことも付け加える basically means the same thing ( _minus_ means negative
here).

The last part is _Although the person says thanks for the compliment, they
also say bad things about the praised thing, which makes me feel strange_.
Note 言うので connects to 変だと思ってた, not ありがとうというにもかかわらず.

* * *

**せっかく褒めてもらった**

[This](https://japanese.stackexchange.com/a/4287/45489) should help. It
literally says _since I got the favor of compliment.._
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