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If ”かぶせる” is a "causative verb," what does it mean when a causative verb is
conjugated in the causative form?

> プランターに生えているカタバミの葉を用意し、アルミホイルをかぶせさせる。
> <http://www.city.obama.fukui.jp/~edu/rika/school/hamatyu2/jugo16/school_hamatyu2_a_1.htm>
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> ドルチェ・ガバーナのマネキンは、絞首刑になる人にかぶせさせる 目隠しがあった。
> <http://perabita.seesaa.net/article/163983279.html>
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what does it mean when a causative verb is conjugated in the causative form?
Hmm, strange... These should be 「アルミホイルを[被]{かぶ}せる(=to cover
=[覆]{おお}う)」/「絞首刑になる人に[被]{かぶ}らせる(=the causative form of [被]{かぶ}る)」, no...?
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In the first sentence, かぶせる is not a causative form of the verb; it's a normal
verb, meaning "to cover." (It's important to realize that not every verb that
ends in 〜せる is the causative form of another verb.) Hence, かぶせさせる is not
double-causative; it's single-causative.

> プランターに生えているカタバミの葉を用意し、アルミホイルをかぶせさせる。
>
> Have the children prepare leaves from the sorrel growing in the planter, and
> cover them in foil.

The second かぶせさせる is the same; it's just a causative form of a regular,
transitive verb (かぶせ＋させる).

> ドルチェ・ガバーナのマネキンは、絞首刑になる人にかぶせさせる 目隠しがあった。
>
> The Dolce and Gabbana mannequins had the sort of blindfolds that you put
> onto people who are going to be hanged.
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Let's break this down logically. To say

> A makes B cover C with D

you would say

> AがBに、CにDを被せさせる

In the first sentence mentioned in the question, not all of ABCD are
immediately evident, but if you follow the link, you'll see that this is about
_what a teacher should instruct students to do_ , i.e.

> 教師が生徒に、葉にホイルを被せさせる The teacher makes the students cover the leaves with
> foil.

No problems using 被せさせる here.

The second example is trickier. We already have 絞首刑になる人に ending in に, but this
could be either B or C. Also, A is not explicit. So either:

> 誰かが絞首刑囚に、誰かに目隠しを被せさせる Someone makes people who get hanged cover somebody's
> eyes with blindfolds

or

> 誰かが誰かに、絞首刑囚に目隠しを被せさせる Someone makes someone cover the eyes of people who get
> hanged with blindfolds

The first one hardly makes any sense, and in the second one, there doesn't
seem to be any reason for the extra level of indirection.

Surely what is meant is one of the following:

> 絞首刑になる人にかぶせる目隠しがあった。 They had the blindfolds that you cover the eyes of
> people who get hanged with.
>
> 絞首刑になる人のかぶる目隠しがあった。 They had the blindfolds that people who get hanged
> wear/put on.
>
> 絞首刑になる人にかぶらせる目隠しがあった。 They had the blindfolds that you make people who get
> hanged cover their eyes with.

So bottom line:

**The first usage is correct, the second one is wrong.**
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