# Japanese

以下の文を比較すると、

> でき得るならば、独立して事業を始めたい。
>
> できれば、独立して事業を始めたい。

意味が同じですか？どう違いますか？すみませんが、説明して頂けませんか？

# English

If we compare the following two sentences:

> でき得るならば、独立して事業を始めたい。
>
> できれば、独立して事業を始めたい。

Is the meaning the same? How do they differ? Could someone explain it?
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grammar nuances
The nuance of 得る compared with ~ば
はい。同じ意味です。でも、"できれば、独立して事業を始めたい" はもっといいと思います。
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The `～得る` construction already implies possibility, so `でき得る` sounds redundant
to me, like "if it's possible to be possible" (unless you were using できる to
mean that something is finished, but your examples aren't).

Another possibility would be `～ものなら` to indicate that achieving what you want
might be difficult.

>   * できれば、独立して事業を始めたい。 → Just a regular "if I can"
>   * できるものなら、…… → "If I _really_ could (but I think it would improbable),
> ..."
>
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Almost same meaning but でき得るものならば one shows lower chance, close 0, of
achieving the goal. So I think でき得るものならば frequently used with past tence, for
example, でき得るものならば、独立して事業を始めたかった. So in this way, he wanted to start his own
business but it is too late.
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