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I was studying the usage of ところ with particles and came across the following
sentence and translation (linked at the bottom):

> 駅の近くでケーキを買ったところで彼女に偶然{ぐうぜん｝会った。
>
> I met her by chance when I just bought some cakes near the station.

The article does not explain it very well but from what I gather (from other
sources), ところで can be used to show **circumstances surrounding the main
clause**. So the sentence above could perhaps be more elaborately (and
robotically) understood as (please correct me if I'm wrong):

> "I met her by chance. It happened when I (was out buying/just bought) a cake
> near the station."

My first question is, **Is the translator's use of the word "just"
justified?** (Sorry, I couldn't resist the pun). I understand that 「～た形」＋ところ
shows that the action happened in the very recent past and is commonly
translated as "just" but is that meaning carried through when ところ is used as
above? Stated another way, does the sentence imply that I **just bought** the
cake (giving ところで a "time" nuance) or that I **was out buying** the cake
(giving ところで a "circumstance" nuance) ?

Second, if I had seen this sentence out of the context of the article, I would
have translated it:

> I met her by chance **at the place** by the station where I bought the cake.

Is this also a valid translation or is there a reason that this can't be
correct?

[Article source](http://maggiesensei.com/2015/09/02/how-to-use-
verb-%E3%81%A8%E3%81%93%E3%82%8D-tokoro/)
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Can ところで be ambiguous (time vs. location)?
> does the sentence imply that I just bought the cake (giving ところで a "time"
> nuance) or that I was out buying the cake (giving ところで a "circumstance"
> nuance) ?

No, you don't know at the time they two have eye contact (if you understand
meet this way), it was after "I" bought cake or what, by reading this
sentense.

<http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/158645/meaning/m0u/> I think you can
understand it as "at this situation" or "at this senario".

We just put "at the time" or "at that position" for convenience when we
translate.

As for why not

> I met her by chance at the place by the station where I bought the cake.

You know, "at the time" better match the idea that "I" met the woman in that
situation.

You can think it as a comedy show to get a better feeling: at the stage, a man
and a woman meet, at that time, the man was buying cake. But it is not
important that at what moment the man met the woman, no, just think about
what's in the scene when those two met.

The use of ところ here doesn't have any special meaning, as far as I can see,
it's just natural to phrase it this way. So take it easy, you know the man and
the woman both know the man bought cake, usually that's all you need to know
from this sentense even if it's from a detective novel.

So, the sentense is ambiguous in a way that you cannot tell which action was
before which action. In English people don't (or can't?) phrase it in such
ambiguous way, I guess.
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> 駅の近くでケーキを買ったところで彼女に​偶然​会った。
>
>   1. Is the translator's use of the word "just" justified? [ --> Yes. ]
>
>   2. Can ところで be ambiguous (time vs. location)?
>
>

Yes, I think so. ( That's an interesting point. I did some searching, but
couldn't find a Web page discussing or explaining it. )

In that example ... Maybe 60%-40% (or even 80%-20%) in favor of location. But
for location-use, it's more correctly:

> 駅の近くのケーキを買ったところで彼女に​偶然​会った。

  * 伊勢崎花火大会があります。見るところでオススメな場所はありますか？ ... - Yahoo ... detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp › 地域、旅行、お出かけ › 国内 › ここ、探してます

  * モンストのバックアップができません。電波のいい場所いろんなところでためしましたが、失敗ばかりです。 ... detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp › インターネット、通信 › スマホアプリ

  * ... 昔の山師の方が山奥で怪我や病気で倒れた時のために、非常食としてそういうところでも生きていけるイワナを水溜りへ移植していたんです。

  * テレビ朝日の場所がよくわかりません! 六本木ヒルズのところですか? ... detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp

Here are samples of time or situation.

> ～ところだった | 日本語の例文 -- j-nihongo.com › 文法  
>  例文
>
>   * 道を歩いていたら、急に車がきて、危なかった。 死ぬところだった。
>   * 終電を逃がして家に帰れなくなるところだったけど、なんとか間に合った。
>   * 仕事で失敗して、会社をクビになるところだった.
>

So maybe ～ところだった is more often for situation, not time.

Time example : ｢私も丁度 あなたにメールしようと思っていたところでした｣
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> 駅の近くでケーキを買っ **たところで** 彼女に偶然会った。

The sentence doesn't sound ambiguous to me. It means "I met her by chance
**right when** I **bought** a cake near the station."

According to 明鏡国語辞典:

> ところ【所(処)】〘名詞〙  
>  ⑥-㋒《「・・・(ようと)するところだ」「・・・ているところだ」「・・・(てしまっ) **たところだ**
> 」などの形で、現在または現在に近い過去を表す語を伴って》 **動作が** 、直前・最中・ **直後にある意を表す**
> 。「今手紙を書いているところだ」「書き終わっ **たところで** ベルが鳴った」

「～するところだ」「～ているところだ」「～たところだ」 indicate that an action is about to happen, is now
happening, or has just happened, respectively. So the ～たところで in your example
means "Right after (I) did~~" "Right when (I) did~~". For example:

  * [夢の中で] 食べ **たところで** 目が覚めた。  
[In a dream] Right when I ate, I woke up.

Compare:

  * 食べ **るところで** (≂ 食べようとしたところで) 目が覚めた。  
When I was about to eat, I woke up.

  * 食べ **ているところで** 目が覚めた。  
While I was eating, I woke up.

* * *

> I met her by chance **at the place** by the station where I bought the cake.

For the ところ to mean "place", you'd say:

> 駅の近く **の** ケーキを買ったところで彼女に偶然会った。

×「～の近く **で** ～した｛ところ・場所｝ **で** 」  
⇒ ○「～の近く **の** ～した｛ところ・場所｝ **で** 」(avoiding repeating the locative case で)

So, if the sentence was 「ケーキを買ったところで彼女に偶然会った」 without 「駅の近くで」, then it would
be ambiguous between "at the place I did..." and "right when I did..."
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