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I can't really understand the difference between はともかくとして and はさておき. They both
seem to have a similar meaning and use. Somebody could explain it to me, by
using specific examples?
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Difference between はともかくとして and　はさておき?
> ともかくとして

ともかく can most of the time be understood as " _anyway_ ", and とする basically
means " _to make X be X_ " (the meaning is close to にする). So you can think of
それはともかくとして as " _making それ be anyway (irrelevant)_ " => " _regardless of それ_
".

> さておき

さておき comes from the verb 扨置く or 扨措く which literally means " _to put aside_ ".
So さておき can be understood as " _putting aside, ..."_.

Both phrases pretty much mean the same thing, but ともかくとして carries a nuance of
"carelessness" in my opinion.
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Breton's post is incorrect. ともかく, though sometimes used in conversation to
mean what he suggests, is more general than he understands and it definitely
doesn't imply "carelessness" . Although はともかく and はさておき have similar overall
meanings of "let's focus on some other aspect", there is a very distinct
difference in nuance. There are places where either can be used, but there are
places where one makes way more sense over the other.

N＋はともかく、～ means that N might be true, but it doesn't really matter compared to
~. Take for example:

> その歌手、顔はともかく、歌うのがうまいよ。
>
> That singer, say what you want about his face, but he can sing!

This implies that the speaker recognizes that the singer's face might be ugly,
but he would rather focus on the singer's voice.

N＋はさておき、～ means more "setting aside N, let's look at ~" (though ~ might still
be important, it just isn't as big a priority). For example:

> どんな家がいいかはさておき、どんな地域に引っ越したいかを考えよ。
>
> Leaving aside what kind of house would be good, think about what kind of
> area you want to move to.

This implies that what kind of house is good DOES matter (unlike in はともかく),
and after you decided something else we might return to this question, but the
priority first is what area you want to move to.

Let's use an example to highlight further the nuance:

> 料理は見た目はともかく、おいしい。
>
> Appearances aside, the food's delicious. (you are giving a value judgement,
> you're admitting the food looks bad but that doesn't matter compared to how
> delicious it is).
>
> 料理は見た目はさておき、おいしい。
>
> Set aside appearance (for now), the food is delicious. (you're a food
> critic, you're judging the taste and will come back to how it looks; you are
> not giving a value on how it looks just stating you are not considering it
> now)

Overall then, はさておき deals more with priority, and here's where the idea of
"setting aside" comes in. You set something aside to come back to it later.
You don't think it's unimportant. はともかく deals more with focus and importance.
Compared to some quality, another is not such a big deal.
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