> 『はー……すっごいなぁ、最近のゲームって。これ **で** 体験版 **ってんだから** 、こりゃ製品版出たら買うしかないなあ』

How should I understand the bold で grammatically? I understand the これで as
conveying a nuance of “although the the game is well designed”. But I am not
sure if で can mean “although”, which can’t be found in any dictionary I know.

And how is 体験版ってんだから different from 体験版だから?
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Understanding これで体験版ってんだから
It is hard to find an English equivalent of「で」here. I'd say it's similar to
"with". これで："with this". But more natural English renditions would be "in this
shape", "under these circumstances", etc.

A similar usage is 私でよければ…: "If I am fine..." "If you are fine with me" This
phrase can be used in many ways.

「ってんだから」：「というのだから」See [this
answer](https://japanese.stackexchange.com/a/14400/30454)

> はー……すっごいなぁ、最近のゲームって。これで体験版ってんだから、こりゃ製品版出たら買うしかないなあ

My rendition:

> Wow, that's amazing! (Can't believe) recent games. If something like that is
> a demo, I will really have to buy the public release version when it comes
> out.
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