Finding questions about the meaning of という isn't too hard, but the answers
tend to revolve around its usage before a word particle or something, such as
in ということ. However there's a sentence in a children's book - おむすびコロリン - where
several words are said, then という, then a _comma_ , then several more words:

> おじいさんはごちそうになったうえに、ほしい物をなんでも出してくれるという、打ち出の小づちをおみやげにもらって帰りました。

という doesn't seem to be a special expression unto itself, not without help. But
if you try to treat it as と and then 言う, how is that grammatically possible
right before a comma? i.e., why wouldn't it be といい、 というと、 or といって?

**EDIT**

Something that just occurred to me: could it be that, despite where that comma
is placed, いう is still ultimately modifying 打ち出の小槌, as in "a nursery-tale-
magic-mallet that is **said** to bring forth anything which one desires"? If
so, the comma seems kind of surprising, but they are used a little bit
differently.
CC BY-SA 3.0
2016-10-21T01:57:44.137
40188
2016-10-21T15:47:24.973
2016-10-21T02:18:24.070
1771
1771
question
grammar words conjugations expressions
という used right before comma: What does this mean, and how is it grammatically possible?
If you search と言う in the dictionary, you will see that it also has the meaning
of as much as/as many as when used after a quantity. This would be my best
bet.
CC BY-SA 3.0
2016-10-21T02:06:24.630
40189
2016-10-21T02:06:24.630
18142
40188
answer
> Something that just occurred to me: could it be that, despite where that
> comma is placed, いう is still ultimately modifying 打ち出の小槌, as in
>
>   * "a nursery-tale-magic-mallet that is said to bring forth anything which
> one desires"?
>

That sounds right.

In children's books, (because there are so many Hiraganas), commas are often
over-used.

Sometimes, Hankaku-spaces (半角スペース) are used too. -- This is called 分かち書き

>
> [https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/わかち書き](https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%8F%E3%81%8B%E3%81%A1%E6%9B%B8%E3%81%8D)
> --- わかち書き（わかちがき）とは、文章において語の区切りに空白を挟んで記述することである。分かち書き・分ち書き・別ち書きとも表記する。
CC BY-SA 3.0
2016-10-21T02:34:45.877
40190
2016-10-21T02:34:45.877
2020-06-17T08:18:27.500
-1
16344
40188
answer
# English

The short answer is that it doesn't affect how the sentence is parsed.

It's best to abandon expectations that (may) come from English when
interpreting these things. There are so many more options for punctuation
marks in Japanese that any attempt at mapping is bound to fail by exhaustion.

Instead, consider [this](http://grammar.about.com/od/rs/g/Rhetorical-
Punctuation.htm):

> "The concept of rhetorical punctuation was originally developed by Simpson
> (1911) in his study of Shakespearian punctuation. Simpson notes that the
> English punctuation system has undergone significant changes over the past
> three hundred years. During the seventeenth century, punctuation was a
> flexible system primarily used for for expressing 'subtle differences of
> tone' (Simpson 1911: 10) and it was based on rhyme. In contrast, modern
> punctuation is, or at least attempts to be, 'logical' (Simpson 1911: 11)."
> (Senko K. Maynard, Linguistic Creativity in Japanese Discourse. John
> Benjamins, 2007)

In other words, early modern English punctuation was primarily for guiding the
reader/speaker through the sense of the statement as it would be spoken. I've
also heard it called "elocutionary grammar" for this reason.

This is far more accurate a description of the role of punctuation in Japanese
--and isn't it interesting that the author of that segment is a professor of
Japanese linguistics, writing on the same?

# Japanese

はやい話、句読点の位置は解釈には無関係です。

まず、英語による先入観を捨てると良いと思います。日本語の句読点の数は英語のものをはるかに上回るため、直接的な写像を試みても仕方がありません。

その代わり、[この理論](http://grammar.about.com/od/rs/g/Rhetorical-
Punctuation.htm)（英語）を参照：

> 修辞学的句読点という概念は、シンプソンという学者の、シェークスピアが用いた句読点の分析に由来する（Simpson
> 1911)。シンプソンの研究によれば、過去３００年にわたって、英語の句読点の使い方が著しく変化してきているのである。１７世紀には、「口調の微差」を表現することが主な使い道で（Simpson
> 1911: 10）、[脚韻]{きゃくいん}に基づいていた。一方、現代的句読点の使い方は「理屈的」である（とされる）（Simpson 1911: 11）。

要するに、早期現代英語の句読点の目標は主に、朗読される場合に現れる意味合いを描写することでした。そのために、「エロキューション的文法」という呼び方もあるそうです。

日本語では、この解釈が句読点の使い方を的確に説明していると思います。それに、以上の文の著者が日本語語学の教授であることがまた興味深いことですね。
CC BY-SA 3.0
2016-10-21T05:10:04.687
40194
2016-10-21T15:47:24.973
2020-06-17T08:18:27.500
-1
3131
40188
answer
Japanese comma, unlike that in English, isn't utilized on orthographic demand,
but a more direct rendering of oral articulation.

Usually, a comma denotes a short _pause_ , or a _boundary of[prosodic
units](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosodic_unit)_ (i.e. the stretch a
single legato of intonation extends to). Thus, you might see a great variance
in frequency that commas are used among Japanese writers, likely reflecting
their own everyday style of speaking.

Actually, putting a comma between という and the modified phrase isn't that rare
when the modified part doesn't go in a single
[文節](https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%96%87%E7%AF%80) (roughly a-word-plus-
succeeding-particles-long unit), because you might need to carve out a new
prosodic unit for a longer word (or, a semantic chunk). Here, 打ち出の小づち
literally contains multiple words to mean "mallet of shake-them-out", so it's
reasonable to put a break before saying this overlong name.

Another factor, it's merely my conjecture, is that this is probably the first
occurrence of 打ち出の小づち in this story. When you introduce a new name, it becomes
more natural to set a pause before the saying the word. In this case, you
could also rewrite it in another way:

> ほしい物をなんでも出してくれるという「打ち出の小づち」をおみやげにもらって帰りました。
CC BY-SA 3.0
2016-10-21T08:44:07.000
40200
2016-10-21T08:51:49.937
2016-10-21T08:51:49.937
7810
7810
40188
answer