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I have the following sentence from chapter 140 of the manga, 『五等分の花嫁』.

> 今の父と再婚する **までの** 私たちは極貧生活でした。

Context: One of the girls (of 5 siblings) is speaking with her male friend and
she is discussing how that before their family became rich, they used to be
quite poor.

Here is my attempted breakdown. I believe the subject of the clause marked as
the topic to be the girl's mother (I could very well be wrong here, causing my
whole interpretation to go awry).

`今の父と再婚するまで` - Until her second marriage with the current father.

`の` - possessive?

`私たちは極貧生活でした。` - 私たち is the subject and as for them, they were poor.

I've seen plenty of "noun + の + noun" situations and plenty of situations
where a clause precedes の allowing の to treat the clause as a noun.

Example: `涼しい飲み物の一番の選択` - The best choice of cool drinks

Example: `漫画を読むのが楽しい。` - The thing of reading making is fun.

I've also seen where you can combine particles like で and の to make noun
phrases. The pattern here is "noun + での + noun".

`図書館での勉強` - studying in the library.

I'm starting to think that the usage is similar to the first. One issue is
that I'm unsure what **まで** is. Jisho says it's a particle, although I only
considered true particles to be "が、を、で、へ、に、も、は". Considering it to be a noun,
the structure would be, "relative clause packed onto noun ( **まで** ) + の +
noun".

The English translation sounds goofy but it would be something like this:

  * _As for us (私たち) of class "until our mother remarried with our current father," we were poor._

Would this be correct? I think the root cause of my misunderstanding is まで and
seeing it as a noun. までの seems a bit weird to my western eyes.

I appreciate all help that comes my way.
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What is the の particle doing in this sentence when used after まで?
Seems to me it's just the adjectival の.

(今の父と再婚するまで)の(私たち)

"Us" (私たち) is modified with "until [the time when] my mom married our current
dad"

You were correct when you compared it to a noun-phrase like "図書館での勉強 -
studying in the library". I'm far from an expert but you can see the
adjectival の used together with other particles all the time.

Other examples of までの taken from
<https://eow.alc.co.jp/search?q=%E3%81%BE%E3%81%A7%E3%81%AE>:

~までの地図 - A map to ~

~までの日を数える - Count down the days until ~

~までのタクシー代 - Taxi fare to ~

and so on.
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