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Simple question, when まで is used, do I still need to add a で? I was typing on
Google docs, and I wanted to say "the video can end here."

I was going to put `この動画はここまで終われる`, but as you can see in the screenshot
below, Google docs is trying to make me add another で. I know that the same
sentence can be put as `この動画はここで終われる`, but since I used まで instead of a で, I
thought the まで would just replace the で.

In my understanding, `この動画はここで終われる` is `This video can end (at) right here`  
`この動画はここまで終われる` is just `This video can end until (or up to) this point`.  
As you can see, both ways of saying it make sense in English, and I'd assume
no difference in Japanese.

But, if まで is used, do I really need the extra で? Is the suggestion of Google
docs correct? Thanks!

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grammar particles particle-で particle-まで
Can まで replace で?
It depends on the nature of the verbs used, and for 終わる, yes you would need
the additional で.

ここまで denotes the whole duration _up to here_ and 終わる is something that happens
at some point, so simply combining them sounds odd. That is, _to end_ was not
happening all the time _up to here_ , but it happens **at** the end of _up to
here_ , which is indicated by ここまで **で**.

If the verb is non-instantaneous, you can use ここまで + verb. For example

  * 今日はここまでテキストを読んだ Today I read the textbook up to here.

Strictly speaking, I think this should be the same for English _?to end until
here_.

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BTW If you are scripting your own recording, この動画は... is not quite natural.
Note that inanimate subjects are less frequent in Japanese in general. It
would be natural to say something like この動画をここで終わりにしようと思います or more simply
(今回は)ここで終わろうと思います.
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