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There are several things i don't understand in the following

> テーブルの上には布地の見本が包みをといて拡げられていたが

Translated by

> Above the table, on which an unpacked collection of sample cloth goods was
> spread out

For context the narrator wakes up and looks around in his bedroom. The whole
sentence being

> テーブルの上には布地の見本が包みをといて拡げられていたが――ザムザは旅廻りのセールスマンだった――、そのテーブルの上方の壁には写真がかかっている

  1. Why using the potential form in 拡げられていた ?
  2. Could the progressive form be used instead of the past progressive in 拡げられていた ? I suppose it's past progressive to suggest that the "spreading out the sample" thing was done the day before and left out like that since. Could i be guessing right ?
  3. About the て form. I suppose in とい **て** 拡げられていた it's a connective て. Could we use て form + past or て form + past + progressive ? I find it disturbing in that context that とく and 拡げる are not in the same forms (apart for the connective て). Or maybe we consider that since とく is connected to 拡げる they "share" the same form / have the same nuances of a passive past action ?
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About the forms in 包みをといて拡げられていた
First of all, that 拡げられる is not a potential form. It’s the passive form of
拡げる.

Secondly, calling that 〜ている “progressive” is misleading. It describes a state
that has resulted from some earlier action or change. 拡げられている describes such a
state in the present, whereas 拡げられていた describes one in the past. Although I
cannot tell for sure because the main clause is missing, I guess the narrator
is describing a state at some time in the past.

とく (解く) is neither potential nor progressive. It is a transitive verb that
means “to untie” or “to unpack”. 包み is its object here.

I think part of the reason you find this sentence hard to understand is that
とく is used in the active voice while 拡げる is in the passive as we have seen
above, yet those two are connected with a て-form. Since the subject is 見本, it
_does_ sound like the samples unpacked their own packages (actively) and then
(passively) be spread out (to stay in the resulting state). 見本が包みをとかれて拡げられていた
would have been better balanced and might have been easier to understand.

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[EDIT]

(in response to added #3)

The て-form itself is timeless. There are no such things as present て-forms or
past て-forms. The tense is determined by the main phrase. といて拡げる and といて拡げた
differ in tense but the difference in form is limited to their endings.

A 〜ている form (which I would advise you stop calling “progressive”) can be
converted into its own て-form: 〜ていて. Saying 包みをといていて拡げられている or
包みをとかれていて拡げられている is grammatically possible but it sounds very awkward. Like
the tense, the aspect to be expressed by 〜ている should also be left to the main
phrase.

In this particular case, I speculate the translator saw 包みをといて拡げる as one act
and used 包みをといて拡げられる as its passive form as a whole. The apparent mix-up in
voice can be explained by this.

I don’t like the way he put it. テーブルの上には包みをといた (or 包みをとかれた) 布地の見本が拡げられていたが
would have been closer to the original (or its English translation) and easier
to read.
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