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I recently started learning the causative form of a verb combined with the もらう
or くれる. I am a bit confused on this and would like further clarification as to
whether my understanding is correct.

The 「させて (て form of causative)」+「もらう」 is, if I am not mistaken, a very polite
form of "I will do" in English. This means exactly the same as「する」, with the
only difference being the former being polite and the latter casual.

  1. Is my assumption above correct?

Now, if I am to replace「もらう」with「くれる」 (ie: 「させてくれる」),the sentence will then
become " _Can_ you let me do?" instead of "I will do". If I want to imply the
former (in this case "can you let me do?") with 「もらう」, it would
become「"させてもらっていい?"」. The reasoning behind this is 「くれる」 is really 'asking'
someone for the permission, whereas「もらう」isn't 'asking' for any permission, it
is just the act of doing.

  2. Is what I have written above correct? 

Adding on, if I instead want to say the firmer "please let me do", it will
then be 「"(私に)させてください"」, or the「もらう」form「"(私に)させてもらってください"」.

  3. Again, is the above correct?

And of course you saw this coming, next will be the「あげる」. 「させてあげる」 means "I
will let you (second person) or someone else (third person) do". It means the
same as「させる」, with the only 2 differences, the first being the action of
letting someone do is actually in favour of the person receiving it (the
person is happy that I let him do, for example: "I let my son play games (and
he is happy because of it)"), and the second difference, the sentence becomes
more explicit. And lastly, if I am to say 「させてあげていい」 instead, it will mean
"Can I let you do?".

  4. Is my understanding on the above paragraph right?
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word-choice causation
Causation used with もらう、くれる、あげる
For No1. Yes. I think you are correct.

For No2. Partially not. Both 「させてもらう」and「させてくれる」are asking for the permission.

This site [「させてもらう」の敬語表現・使い方と例文・別の敬語表現](https://tap-
biz.jp/business/honorific/1040506#num_3920891) explains

> _「させてもらう」も「させてくれる」も相手に許可を取って行動し、その恩恵を受けるという点においては同じ意味を持っています。この両者の違いは「
> **視点** 」です。誰目線の話なのかに着目してください。_

For example, you are a guest presenter in the conference and might say to the
organizer.

> ex) ３０分間話させてもらえますか？ Could I please get 30 minutes to speak.

This is actually asking for the permission and is focused on **the presenter's
perspective**.

> ex) ３０分間話させてくれますか？ Let me please speak for 30 minutes.

On the other hand, this sentence is focused on **the organizer allowing** the
presenter to speak.

For No3. 「"(私に)させてください"」is explained in No2.

Saying 「"(私に)させてもらってください"」 for asking the permission from the opponent is
wrong since it is saying the opponents receiving the request and at the same
moment the speaker getting the request.

So, it correct if the speaker's advising the opponents to get the permission
from third-party.

> 運営者に話させてもらってください。 (The speaker is advising) You should ask the organizer for
> the permission to speak (since the speaker cannot give them a permission).

For No4. I think your understanding is basically correct. However, 「させる」sounds
more ordering though.
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