I've been reading through Imabi, and one of the notes on the site was about
inappropriate use of として and にとって in contexts of contrast and although
phrases. These three were listed as examples of misuse.

> 彼女は学生として、学校へ行かず、遊んでばかりいるよ。X  
>  外国人として大変なのは食べ物だと思います。X  
>  僕にとってその色はあんまり好きじゃない。X  
>

I would like a clearer explanation on why these are not appropriate usages of
として and にとって. I think I understand that in the first example, the phrasing is
inappropriate because it sounds like she is using her position as a student to
play around, which doesn't make any sense.

In the second sentence, I'm guessing にとって would be more appropriate because
外国人 isn't really a qualification? But at the same time you can say 私としては, so
I'm not too sure why this is incorrect.

Third sentence: No clue why this is wrong.
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grammar usage
Cases where として and にとって are overused/ cannot be used
Your first sentence really doesn’t make much sense

> 女は学生として、学校へ行かず、遊んでばかりいるよ。

You’re saying,

> Woman, as students, don’t go to school, they just play.

Even if it’s just a particular woman you’re thinking of, this still sounds odd
whether in Japanese or English. If I heard you say this, I might get the
impression that you really meant something more like

> 女は学生なのに、学校へ行かず、遊んでばからいるよ。

Your third sentence also comes off a bit weird.

> 僕にとってその色はあんまり好きじゃない。

> According to me, I don’t like that color very much.

Even if you speak a bit less familiarly and say 私にとって it still would come
across strange. You’re already apparently talking about your likes and
dislikes. There’s no need to say “according to me”.

Perhaps if you were writing a short story in which you suffered from amnesia
and were reading your old diaries you might say something like, “according to
me i don’t really like this color. but, hey, I don’t really know because I’ve
forgotten what I like and what I don’t like.“ But even in that case you’d
probably more likely say

> 僕の日記によると、そのいろはあんまりすきじゃないらしい。

I don’t know what to say about the second sentence.

> 外国人として大変なのは食べ物だと思います。

> I think as foreigners food is a terrible thing.

Doesn’t this sound strange to you in English.

Let’s just get rid of the と思います and consider the simpler sentence

> 外国人として大変なのは食べ物だ

> As foreigners food is a terrible thing.

As absurd as it sounds, this almost comes across like you’re saying that
_food_ and _foreigners_ are somehow the same thing. I seriously doubt that’s
anything near what you had in mind. But can you hear that sort of weirdness in
the sentence?

More likely you’re trying to express one of the following two ideas: (1) that
foreigners have a hard time finding food (and, consequently go hungry a lot),
or (2) that foreigners have a hard time adjusting to the tastes of new foods
in new countries.

In either of these last two scenarios that’s not what you’re expressing.

I hope this shines some light on how your uses of にとって and として are a bit odd
in these sentences.
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