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I'm reading an old book (こころ by 夏目漱石) and there's an unfamiliar grammatical
phrasing that has fallen out of fashion and/or that he was rather fond of:
~だの~だの, e.g.:

。。。イサベラ何何の墓 **だの** 、神僕ロギンの墓 **だの** というかたわらに。。。

The dictionary I use suggests it's similar to など/とか in meaning&usage. Are
there any important differences?
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Difference between だの and など/とか
There indeed exists a fairly important difference between 「～～だの～～だの」 and the
other juxtaposition structures such as 「～～とか～～とか」、「～～や～～など」、「～～とか～～など」, etc.

The difference is that 「～～だの～～だの」 would generally imply the speaker's negative
feelings about the items being juxtaposed all by itself **_even without using
further negative words around it_**.

The other forms of juxtaposition do not carry either a positive or negative
connotation all by themselves. That value judgement would need to be expressed
with other wordings around them.

**To put it in the simplest terms possible, you are complaining about
something 95% of the time you use 「～～だの～～だの」.**

By "negative feelings" in this case, I am referring to juxtaposing:

1) worthless items or statements by the speaker's judgement (I did not mention
juxtaposing statements above but it is a feature of the だのだの form.)

2) unrealistic and/or unsubstantial items by the speaker's judgement

In OP's example, the 「何何」 part of 「イサベラ何何の墓だの」 alone already expresses the
speaker's negative feeling, IMHO.
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