<transcript><audio_84> E existe uma falta de confiança entre os dois. Então, eu acredito que medidas deverão ser iguais. Essa falta de confiança</transcript><transcript><audio_85> que já acontece há muitos anos, a longo prazo, que o que deveria ser uma contribuição fundamental para ambos na segurança do país. No entanto, simplesmente,</transcript><transcript><audio_86> por assim dizer, e como abraçar tudo isso. O que deveríamos fazer? Eu acho que a Katia falou algo muito importante. Ela falou algum desses pontos.</transcript><transcript><audio_87> deveriam ser mencionados para engajar essa conversa. Uma conversa que deveria fluir. Ela mencionou...</transcript><video><caption><image_88>The image is a screenshot from a video interview. It shows a middle-aged African-American man with a bald head and glasses. He is wearing a white shirt and has a beard. He appears to be speaking into a microphone and is looking directly at the camera. The background is a plain white wall.</caption><caption><image_89>The image is a screenshot from a video interview. It shows a man with a bald head and glasses, wearing a white shirt. He appears to be in his late 40s or early 50s, with a white beard and mustache. He is wearing a pair of earphones in his ears and is speaking into a microphone. The background is a plain beige color. The man's expression is serious and he seems to be engaged in the interview.</caption></video> and we try to disconnect these two there is a lack of trust between  both, so I believe that measures should be equal, this lack of trust shows a disconnect that has been happening for many years in the long term that what should be a fundamental contribution for both to the country's security, and apart from a state-centric approach so to speak and how to embrace all of this what we should do I think Kátia said something very important she said some of these points and some principles that should be mentioned to engage this conversation She mentioned
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