<transcript><audio_145>getting aligned they thought that actually the thing that would change that was the collaboration and that if engineers were working together and talking and then collaborating more closely day-to-day with the product people that that is how they would get your alignment</transcript><transcript><audio_146>so that's why for this team okay but yes this is not like an order of operations that is necessarily right for them for</transcript><transcript><audio_147>tactical actions the tactical actions so the the big tactical thing that they want to do is paring and they wanted to figure out how to achieve that so one reason that this team perhaps didn't pay</transcript><transcript><audio_148>was they didn't really know how paring is a skill and it has to be learned and not every developer wants to pair and not every developer is good at pairing but this team had you know they came up with these actions themselves so they</transcript><transcript><audio_149>were not opposed to pairing and and yet they weren't doing it so that led management to sort of think well why why aren't they more wise so many ways why are they pairing if it seems like it would be helpful and they don't hate it</transcript> getting aligned they thought that actually the thing that would change that was the collaboration and that if engineers were working together and talking and then collaborating more closely day-to-day with the product people that that is how they would get your alignment so that's why for this team okay but yes this is not like an order of operations that is necessarily right for them for tactical actions the tactical actions so the the big tactical thing that they want to do is paring and they wanted to figure out how to achieve that so one reason that this team perhaps didn't pay was they didn't really know how paring is a skill and it has to be learned and not every developer wants to pair and not every developer is good at pairing but this team had you know they came up with these actions themselves so they were not opposed to pairing and and yet they weren't doing it so that led management to sort of think well why why aren't they more wise so many ways why are they pairing if it seems like it would be helpful and they don't hate it
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