<transcript><audio_194> au maximum le nombre de mécontents et de faire en sorte que même s'il y a des mécontents, ils soient le moins mécontents possible. Et c'est facile de présenter les choses comme ça, parce que ça fait effectivement partie des choses auxquelles les gens pensent quand ils pensent à la démocratie. Mais on peut aussi voir</transcript><transcript><audio_195> dans le sens inverse, et dire que le but d'un groupe qui prend une décision collective devrait être que le plus possible de gens soient satisfaits de la décision prise, et que les satisfaits soient le plus satisfaits possible. Ça aussi c'est tout autant, voire plus important pour plein de gens dans leur définition de</transcript><transcript><audio_196> Et c'est ça que la plupart des vulgarisateurs choisissent de présenter comme une évidence qui ne mérite même pas qu'on la discute. Le problème, c'est qu'en fait, dans bien des cas, ces deux objectifs sont contradictoires. Dans la liste des méthodes que je vous ai présentées, certaines vont favoriser le premier objectif,</transcript> reduce the number of dissatisfied people as much as possible, and to ensure that even if there are dissatisfied people they are as little dissatisfied as possible  and it's easy to present things like that because it actually makes  part of the things that people think of when they think of democracy but we can also see things exactly the opposite way and say that the goal of the group that makes a collective decision should be that as many people as possible are satisfied with the decision taken  and that those satisfied are as satisfied as possible, that too is just as important or even more important for many people in their definition of democracy and that is what most popularizers choose to present as obvious which does not even deserve  that we discuss it the problem is that in fact in good cases these two objectives are contradictory in the list of methods that I presented to you some will favor the first
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