<transcript><audio_46>perhaps even an american company exactly right so uh my final question really is about uh journalists themselves because the campaign again you know basically nso has been exposed largely by a collaboration of journalists working across the world and of course with</transcript><transcript><audio_47>forbidden stories amnesty all of them collaborating but what we have seen is actually that in very few countries has any real impact been seen at the level of structural you know any structural impact governments mostly being in denial making you know making noises for</transcript><transcript><audio_48>instance morocco i believe has even filed a case against amnesty in a french court and and and and the spoke and the one one of the promoters of nso saying no no we didn't we never really you know infiltrated the phone of the french president i mean so all these</transcript><transcript><audio_49>denials that allegations counter allegations are floating exactly right so in this context how do we see this sort of uh you know i wouldn't call it a campaign but how do we see what journalists can do what activists can do in the coming weeks and months in terms of actually bringing more accountability</transcript> perhaps even an american company exactly right so uh my final question really is about uh journalists themselves because the campaign again you know basically nso has been exposed largely by a collaboration of journalists working across the world and of course with forbidden stories amnesty all of them collaborating but what we have seen is actually that in very few countries has any real impact been seen at the level of structural you know any structural impact governments mostly being in denial making you know making noises for instance morocco i believe has even filed a case against amnesty in a french court and and and and the spoke and the one one of the promoters of nso saying no no we didn't we never really you know infiltrated the phone of the french president i mean so all these denials that allegations counter allegations are floating exactly right so in this context how do we see this sort of uh you know i wouldn't call it a campaign but how do we see what journalists can do what activists can do in the coming weeks and months in terms of actually bringing more accountability
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