<transcript><audio_2>hi Tara um I was interested to hear you call torper and energy and um because honestly uh I completely get the grasping an</transcript><transcript><audio_3>aversion causing suffering but at least to me those hav an energy to them and there's something I can work with I honestly feel personally my suffering is mostly I I'm bored I I'm I'm heavy I I</transcript><transcript><audio_4>have toror um and that doesn't seem to have any energy so and it's not that I'm falling asleep when I'm meditating in fact I don't really sleep all that well but yeah just a lack of Engagement and</transcript><transcript><audio_5>so uh anything sure I it's I I'm glad you're drilling down a little more because there's a lot we we could explore about these um Universal forces um so if you consider SLO and torper or</transcript><transcript><audio_6>sleepiness and you say well what makes me sleepy you know and one reason might be we've just been working hard and we're tired and that's just you just say okay well that's it you know I'm tired and you take you find time to sleep</transcript><transcript><audio_7>another reason is that sometimes um we come to meditate and it's quiet and we're still and we're so in the habit of being go go go and here's a quiet peaceful room and there's some part of us that goes oh it's quiet in here it</transcript><transcript><audio_8>must be bedtime you know so there's this kind of reflex to kind of that's a second reason a third reason this is where I'm going with this is that often um sleepiness is a way of of covering</transcript> hi Tara um I was interested to hear you call torper and energy and um because honestly uh I completely get the grasping an aversion causing suffering but at least to me those hav an energy to them and there's something I can work with I honestly feel personally my suffering is mostly I I'm bored I I'm I'm heavy I I have toror um and that doesn't seem to have any energy so and it's not that I'm falling asleep when I'm meditating in fact I don't really sleep all that well but yeah just a lack of Engagement and so uh anything sure I it's I I'm glad you're drilling down a little more because there's a lot we we could explore about these um Universal forces um so if you consider SLO and torper or sleepiness and you say well what makes me sleepy you know and one reason might be we've just been working hard and we're tired and that's just you just say okay well that's it you know I'm tired and you take you find time to sleep another reason is that sometimes um we come to meditate and it's quiet and we're still and we're so in the habit of being go go go and here's a quiet peaceful room and there's some part of us that goes oh it's quiet in here it must be bedtime you know so there's this kind of reflex to kind of that's a second reason a third reason this is where I'm going with this is that often um sleepiness is a way of of covering
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