<transcript><audio_389>um so there's several things that happened i had like uh some like personal difficulty like some relationships ended and that was really challenging and so as a way of navigating that um i</transcript><transcript><audio_390>was sitting slightly more retreats than usual and i was i was working at the martino center and i'd sat a three-day retreat and then went back to work and it was like a week later or something i left my</transcript><transcript><audio_391>desk to walk and get a coffee and and this is in boston and i passed these two construction workers like wearing hard hats and just like ripping on each other because that's how you express affection in boston and</transcript><transcript><audio_392>and i was just walking past them and this thing just flipped over it was there was just this complete understanding that these two construction workers talking to each other was like love using love</transcript><transcript><audio_393>to communicate with itself and everything was different after that and like i don't know how the hell you recreate that experience because i don't know like all these threads had to come</transcript><transcript><audio_394>together in a very particular way but i also know that there had to have been some kind of biological correlate that happened in that moment like there's something about that that we can't understand and the</transcript> um so there's several things that happened i had like uh some like personal difficulty like some relationships ended and that was really challenging and so as a way of navigating that um i was sitting slightly more retreats than usual and i was i was working at the martino center and i'd sat a three-day retreat and then went back to work and it was like a week later or something i left my desk to walk and get a coffee and and this is in boston and i passed these two construction workers like wearing hard hats and just like ripping on each other because that's how you express affection in boston and and i was just walking past them and this thing just flipped over it was there was just this complete understanding that these two construction workers talking to each other was like love using love to communicate with itself and everything was different after that and like i don't know how the hell you recreate that experience because i don't know like all these threads had to come together in a very particular way but i also know that there had to have been some kind of biological correlate that happened in that moment like there's something about that that we can't understand and the
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