<transcript><audio_509>to hear like what shifted for you such that you see it as a process or like how you see that now exactly remember when it shifted um i definitely like i remember sitting retreats where i came</transcript><transcript><audio_510>into the retreats really motivated and still in that frame of mind and when i sat the fire casino retreat like i came that was a three-week retreat right at the</transcript><transcript><audio_511>beginning of covid um uh so yeah it was an interesting time to be on retreat it was like february 20th to march 16th um 2020. and coming out of that retreat i was still</transcript><transcript><audio_512>on fire about practice but it felt like in a kind of different way where now what had been like really aimed at a goal was now instead</transcript><transcript><audio_513>very invested in the process itself um and i can't say like oh that's where it shifted but because everything shifted right then right that was march 2020 so like everything changed and it's hard to</transcript><transcript><audio_514>know what to point to but now this practice feels like it's much more of like a creative artistic expression and something that i do</transcript><transcript><audio_515>because it has a lot of value to me and it feels a lot less goal directed i guess yeah yeah yeah that makes sense i'm happy for you because i don't know</transcript> to hear like what shifted for you such that you see it as a process or like how you see that now exactly remember when it shifted um i definitely like i remember sitting retreats where i came into the retreats really motivated and still in that frame of mind and when i sat the fire casino retreat like i came that was a three-week retreat right at the beginning of covid um uh so yeah it was an interesting time to be on retreat it was like february 20th to march 16th um 2020. and coming out of that retreat i was still on fire about practice but it felt like in a kind of different way where now what had been like really aimed at a goal was now instead very invested in the process itself um and i can't say like oh that's where it shifted but because everything shifted right then right that was march 2020 so like everything changed and it's hard to know what to point to but now this practice feels like it's much more of like a creative artistic expression and something that i do because it has a lot of value to me and it feels a lot less goal directed i guess yeah yeah yeah that makes sense i'm happy for you because i don't know
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