<transcript><audio_0>Fine, then I'll start again, it's now half past ten on the dot, it's twelve, sorry, it's twelve, we start at 11 a.m. So I'd like to warmly welcome you all again for coming to our second district party conference, the extraordinary one in Wiesbaden to meet the mayoral candidate's cows great, I'm glad that you all sat at the front and didn't sit in the back row, that's nice too, of course someone told me exactly the same thing at school, I was at school myself, it's true, yes, I would even if I did are all accredited are all accredited or are there still some who don't have voting cards yet that doesn't look like in the Taunussteiner yes yes yes I'm not allowed to either okay well then it looks like we're done so far then we could theoretically continue with no signal there Michael, who is using the projector, has just shut down his computer. Windows, so welcome, it says good again and then I need a bit of support in terms of protocol, so the first point will be that we vote on the agenda. These are also suggestions permissible, you can add that, I think Michael's computer is just too small, it can't do it yet, it still has a very small, poor Windows XP computer. Richard just put Linux on it, yes, so it looks like I have to do a little more Solo entertainers are playing here. Yes, we currently have three candidates who are standing for election. There will be the possibility that there will still be spontaneous candidacies, so everyone can still think about it but would also like to become mayor I see enthusiastic hands everywhere, it doesn't seem like anyone wants to become mayor here except the three candidates, well, we still have one candidate, so now the internet doesn't quite want to, who's going to the state party conference, two three four five six seven, okay, when is that one on the weekend no not yet okay who has already submitted all the program applications okay please something in the RTK well we're not talking about that here so RTK has done something again that the Wiesbaden didn't do namely submitted applications well well something like that on the topic 12 or 13 below is social volunteer work and kind of durable and a few more hats off so it can only be a matter of hours if necessary we take the first break you will find that this is advertising I don't exactly I have the feeling that it is more advertising for Linux or for OS for Mac OS exactly so still not ready should I give you my stick maybe it's connected to the power for your cell phone or what is definitely an iPhone that works that looks a lot like the Internet to me we used to be smart and we downloaded everything onto the hard drive But well then no one could watch. By the way, there is a protocol pad that means the same as what Michael had just opened or what they are all called, only at the back it doesn't have anything on it after the last slash but with KPT 20.12.2 protocol so we can start as you can see you can see the TU you can make it a little bigger control plus just that you can read it exactly like that back there too Robert if you just can't read it then okay I'll just read it out loud so that We can leave out the first two points, no, the various times back at 10 a.m. there was setup and accreditation, unfortunately that went on until 11:30 a.m. but no problem after that, the opening of the meeting by the KV chairman, that's me Resolution of the agenda then the resolution of the rules of procedure then the election of the chairman of the meeting then the election of the minutes then the election of the election assistant and the appointment of the election assistants then after the high point the election of the op candidate, whereby the first round of introductions is planned in the Questions can also be asked and hopefully the question will be answered in the round yes and then the election then we have an op candidate when this mayoral candidate is chosen by us then we have to appoint people of trust who work together with the returning officer of Wiesbaden then basically that documented document so then other things that's the point under the knife anything can be introduced yes then I'll say a few words again and the mayor candidate will be the new one and then the meeting will close as far as it's clear there are still requests for changes at TU 3 2 1 someone has a request for a change, the determination of the proper invitation, we have to take that into account, well, then I would like to state here that the invitation was given within a deadline and in the correct form and that we have a quorum, so this point is over, I think, thank you, I don't see any other requests for changes and The round of introductions for the applicants is in what order. If an order has already been determined, I would like to submit the application so that the lot decides. We can just do that. Anyone have anything against it. Other suggestions that are not the case, wonderful. Then I would say yes, Markus Hello, I wanted to briefly introduce myself to you, I'm Christoph rausinger here from Wiesbaden, but I have the problem that I found out here with my ID that I'm registered in Bavaria, which means I'm probably not entitled to vote here or somehow entitled to speak or something else I'm not in Wiesbaden, yes, then it shaped itself, yes, okay, thanks again to clarify whether I can become a candidate. Anyone can become a candidate, regardless of where they live, you don't have to live here in Wiesbaden to become a mayoral candidate. You would then have to move to Wiesbaden if you really become mayor It's a good question, we'll do that later when we introduce the candidates, yes, basically, yes, so you have to think about it if you're moving, then you're there if you rule that out Unfortunately, it's so big that I don't understand anything. I mean, when it comes to accreditation, I can of course only assume what the membership administration is doing, so according to my information, they recently moved or what, so are you actually not eligible to vote? Are there any other objections to the TU? Ambiguities that they are not so seriously there is nothing more to object to, good, all right, then I ask that the agenda be adopted, who is in favor of adopting the agenda as it is, that is clearly the majority, who is against it, no one is worth one against it, one vote against it and who abstains well then we have one vote against, the agenda is adopted as is, then we come to the rules of procedure, that is the thing that will now significantly accompany us through the district party conference, so it is practically identical to that of the last one Just a few force four Paragraph 1 has been changed and paragraph 2 is now new, this has now been added specifically for the mayoral election. Election mode for mayoral candidates, well, you've all spent the night fighting over the Go and you know what it looks like and can also handle the changes So start something, so I'm now asking you whether you agree with the GU as it stands at the front, who is for it, who is against it. Abstentions, with 5 abstentions, the go is accepted, wonderful, so next we elect the chairman of the meeting. I see it really, really well then I would like to have suggestions for the meeting leaders yes Robert the Robert suggests Ernst Ernst Preußler Ernst Joachim Preußler than we as meeting leaders other suggestions behind you Michael göttenauer is also proposed for the meeting leader other suggestions three like this one none more wonderfully good we can do you want to vote openly you want to withdraw then the chairman of the meeting good okay then we still have then we only have one candidate that Michael göttenauer we can vote on that straight away just yes who would like Michael göppenauer to be the chairman of the meeting today thank you very much who is against who abstains one abstention with two abstentions is Michael now accepted as chairman of the meeting okay thank you for the trust so we come to the next item on the agenda because the note-taker are there any suggestions for the note-taker Bernd other suggestions 321 none who is in favor of Bernd The minutes write that the majority are good, so you have the job and we still need a returning officer who has been nominated Ernst. If there are no other interested parties then who will vote for Ernst as the returning officer. I would also do the majority. Congratulations Ernst, you have the job So that brings us to the most interesting and relaxing point this evening not this evening this morning election of the Obi candidate yes there are people who would like to make themselves available as election beetles one two pieces that wouldn't be so lucky and we have one two three yes you have that Job so a suggestion was made to select the order of the interview round by drawing lots. Has anyone already prepared the appropriate lottery tickets? Before we get to that point, I still have to ask. Are there other people who would like to be put forward as candidates apart from the three who are already known? three two one the list of candidates is closed and there are three already known no other candidates and yes Bernd Christoph okay then we'll take a quick vote whether we determine the order by lot or accept the suggestion from the casting event who is the suggestion from Casting them to take over the order of the casting 7 who is responsible for determining the order of the castle are six also 7 okay I ask again who is responsible for taking over the order of the casting are 7 8 9 so again please back up nine who is for this To determine the order of the castle like that, we take the order as determined by the casting, that is, the first is Markus Klös, the second is Hans-jörg Tangermann 3 Robert Krause, so we now come to the round of introductions for the applicants. Everyone has a maximum of 10 minutes left let's briefly introduce myself first is Markus klöß for God's sake hello good morning my name is Markus Klös for those who don't know me yet two weeks ago we had the casting that I narrowly won, I realized relatively quickly that doesn't necessarily mean anything, however It means a lot because fries on Mondays the phone rings and says congratulations that you have won, that you have won, and then events come to a head for me. I had already been invited to Rheingau-Taunus during the site preparation -Kreis this is a prevention measure from the top a where it's about filtering out where do the problems we have come from and what can the schools do about it or about it and that's what happened there and I looked at it as everyone tried to be particularly eloquent So to talk and tried to make pragmatic suggestions, but what causes it to fail is money, yes, there is no money for all the projects and for me it is that the election result was for me first of all what I have to do now. I have to kneel down Then I tried to kneel in but I basically got stuck at work. I had to talk to authorities every day, every evening. The youth welfare office came to me and suggested improvements and I have to admit it quite frankly, so I was so overwhelmed. I noticed that it was Basically, I had to write it down because I don't think that what I had noticed would come out here so spontaneously and that is basically what is most important to me and what I would like to change in our politics The population also calls for a certain truth for this and that is that there are a lot of hungry people in power and unfortunately they are everywhere and that's what I mean what happens is people who have to do with the base have to do with the population and then the people are extremely insecure They then have very precise technical knowledge and they should work rhetorically cleverly. There was also the mayor of Held, why was there? Between us, I almost felt sick with the rhetoric with which he was able to gather people around him and I said that it couldn't be done like that move on, yes, there are so many who know exactly what it is and what's left are voters who are unsettled among those who act rhetorically, then they believe where things should go and I think I definitely have to change that. I'd rather be authentically nervous now Really nervous up here, yes, but I'm real and just shows where things need to be changed. I had to deal with a few people affected by Hartz IV recipients over the next few days, people who race to the employment office to the job center and it's just a catastrophe how overwhelmed the people are the job is how few orders are not orders how much they have to do but how little they are informed, so to speak, there are really essential things to find out, i.e. legal bases that are changed so quickly that those affected look for a contact person, the contact person in turn looks for someone to explain something to and no one looks more and then I stand there with the person affected and say yes, what do you want, just something pragmatic and what I can now only repeat, transparent pragmatic politics behind it, I think it's incredibly about social justice Now, in the ten minutes of speaking time that I have, I have to explain everything how and what I imagine and how, so I noticed that it's too much for me, I just need time, I just need a lot of background knowledge, there are people who can tell me that There are people who probably want to trip me up. Figuring it all out has become incredibly complex and these two weeks have shown one thing: that's what I've experienced before at work and what people are experiencing in a lasting way now We need transparency and to have the courage to really raise our voices and simply say something. We had three panel discussions last week. I had one from the youth welfare office, then from the Prevention Council Upper A and the people who are actually with the people at the grassroots level They don't dare to open their mouths, they then sit there and say yes, well put, and I have to change that fundamentally, so I think it's clear that the areas are education is an enormously big topic for me, of course, which I haven't touched on yet what about traffic, I definitely have to change the traffic situation in Wiesbaden is actually absolutely unbearable and my main goal at the moment has to be Mayor Müller, the system has had its day, it has to come to an end the way he imagines it to you, what I noticed, I have now seen him waving Oh dear, is that true and that's exactly it? There is a lack of exchange of information, why is this opinion important and there is simply a lack of transparency in Wiesbaden? Yes, as a candidate for Obi, I suddenly find out where who and how little transparency there actually is and There are so many who say they know where it's going and you can feel it and I actually appeal to everyone regardless of whether I leave the pitch here, wherever I am, I'll just keep going, it was like that for me before and it will continue to be the case that I want to make people aware of it, feel what they are telling you, there are so many who can act very skillfully and you think that you are also looking for hope, but the hope actually lies with everyone by being active themselves and the people are too cheerful with people, I mean the population, every single one that I feel addressed to, um, that's a huge task that of course always runs behind closed doors in Wiesbaden and I think we just need clear transparency and also an exchange because If someone waves and says, for God's sake, what did he say, yes, you need an exchange and the people who are affected don't get anything from it, it doesn't even reach them. I wrote down how important it would be to move the local speech to more functions, yes there are so many people living in Wiesbaden who are spread out over a large area, how should the formula be formulated, so no one has anything to do with the other anymore, there is no community that can pick up people who are on the move, there is definitely a lack of that also in Wiesbaden and when I walk through the pedestrian zone, well, we have become a consumer society, we look for orientation partly in consumer goods, whatever good, these are old topics that we all already know and, um, to get people to rethink things as if they would then probably basically make an impact in the administration and I think that's a big step for everyone if so much changes in the administration that it really reaches those affected and that's my core goal in all areas, thank you, okay, thank you, next is Hans Jörg Tangermann also excited, hello, I'm this morning, would you like Sepp to briefly communicate the story? Sorry, seriously, right then I'll give the floor again and reluctantly but yes, we have to do a few things again and we have to do it in the election The person taking the minutes and the returning officer also have to ask for the opposing votes. This is relatively important. The returning officer also names the election workers, so they are not determined by the meeting, but that's fine in itself. We'll do that later and the list of candidates still needs a certain number Time to be open and that's what I have to do as returning officer. We overlooked something last time or before. These are actually the three most important points. Then I would ask you to simply announce the election for returning officer again and this time ask who is in favor of it and Weather against so I candidate make the election for the returning officer again who is in favor of the seriousness of the returning officer he is against one against abstentions and no abstentions make product who is in favor of Bernd being the note taker against votes no against votes abstentions also no abstentions so unanimously good I will then call the election workers again and then call them when the time comes, when we argue about the election. Now it's very important as the returning officer. The list of candidates for the mayoral election is still open, it will be closed after the introduction of the two candidates who are just now imagine until then it is still possible to run for office. I will do it again according to the announcements when the list of candidates is closed. So now it continues. Yes, I can say hello twice. It was very nice to walk through the city from my home this morning and see how this beautiful city is waking up, I saw joggers, I even saw clubbers who just came home from Frankfurt, I saw children with their parents, I saw citizens of Wiesbaden and even a Go player who was looking for a tournament from Munich who was a guest in ours City and this city is beautiful I swear that I was the basic law for the Federal Republic of Germany and the constitution of the state of Hesse as well as all laws applicable in Hesse and that I will fulfill my duties conscientiously and impartially so God help me that is of course just a quote today But that is the oath of office of the mayor of Wiesbaden. My name is Hans-jörg Tangermann and I would like to become the candidate of the Pirate Party today so that next year I can say this sentence again in an important place and become the new mayor of Wiesbaden. Of course, all my friends ask why you are doing this actually and I can only repeat what I said at the casting, the limit is simply overflowing and I have to defend myself and in this respect I am here out of self-defense. I have also given ten percent of my income for good things throughout my life without saying much about it to talk and have done something but that's no longer enough now I would like to go out in public and do good things why the Pirates I unreservedly support the goals of the Pirate Party, especially the municipal goals, the UBI also needs to be further examined for feasibility and there I am also counting on Michael Passlack's help. In this context I would like to thank not only him but also Manuel for the open words to Bernd Richard Tobias Jörg Christoph Hildan Konstantin for the household Sepp Markus Kairies and last but not least Michael and Hendrik is also why I do it because I felt support and we are all angry together and the anger can be expressed in one sentence. I knew Wiesbaden is great on the outside and a lot of crap is on the inside and I have already spoken to the lady and apologized in advance Unfortunately, the Wiesbadener Kurier also helps to create this image. In my research in a year, I didn't find a semi-critical article about the grievances in this city, but the Frankfurter Rundschau writes much more critically, even though Frankfurt is far away and I would still read the Kurier Maybe ask me to be a little more critical and deviate from the court reporting that is being done here. You can see that I'm actually really angry why I attended the last city council meeting and followed the vote on the topic in my halls outdo what is supposed to be pushed through here, it is impertinent, it is not transparent, etc. I would like to throw three and four numbers at him. The Rhein-Mainhallen had a turnover of 7.8 million euros in 2010 and generated a loss of 1.6 million euros in addition to the costs and planning, almost all of the claims made by the city council or the magistrate or parts of the city council are untrue. The renowned office from Frankfurt speer-architekten with whom, by the way, I did two sustainability projects in China and I can tell you that the costs remain the same, created a paper in 2009 that was called Vision 2015 here are the cost specifications the renovation of the Rhein-Main-Hallen would cost 25 million euros a new building Speer estimates 125 million the loss would be three to four years I remind you of the sales of almost 8 million with a loss of 2 million myself Godchild with whom I had discussed this yesterday, after two minutes of consideration, said that wouldn't work even if we were to include subsidies from the state from the federal government if we were to include that we have more trade fair guests who spend money in Wiesbaden. I can imagine that Wiesbaden can't afford this on three fingers and the worst thing is that the attached daycare center becomes an alibi and in the end we will have Berlin airport in Wiesbaden and I will prevent that, even if they don't elect me, I will definitely work for it that there will be a citizens' initiative against the new construction of the Rhein-Main-Halle and I don't think the chances are bad based on the numbers and I didn't quote the oath of office for nothing, Doctor Müller, I would like to remind you of this oath of office, it can't be good in Wiesbaden It's to push through this project the way the budget currently looks, the worse it is here, the deeper you poke, the worse it actually gets and I don't even know anymore whether I'm angry or sad. By 2011, the city of Wiesbaden received one million from the state of Hesse, which had already been paid for intended for the use of social housing was transferred back to the state because they didn't manage to spend it on social housing, you know that I was flabbergasted, I wasn't even angry anymore, I was just shocked. Wiesbaden is apparently a must Simply put, it's too stupid to invest the money that has already been paid and if we do a short-term renovation measure or something that could certainly have been spent in a useful way for the people in Wiesbaden, social housing construction in Hesse has declined since 1990 and 70 percent in Wiesbaden. Figures are important Also in order to achieve something for people in Wiesbaden we had 93 25 social apartments in 2010 there were still 10,000 in 2020 if it would be under 7000 where are the pensioners who can no longer afford another apartment where are the apartments for families with large children I want I would like to briefly explain to you which models are currently available in Düsseldorf in Germany. There is the Düsseldorf model. Düsseldorf is debt-free and says quality comes before quantity. If you want a cheap apartment with us, you should move to the periphery. We do not build social housing and transfer all of the money the country back every year we want that in Wiesbaden too no no I don't in Hamburg there is a different model Hamburg they all see how it is built there is investment in the city what is happening Hamburg has developed a model you are welcome investor we want you the red one Carpet off but in addition to your investment you have to invest 30% of the investment amount in social housing projects. That doesn't mean that they lose money, just that they don't earn any and a company has the chance to present itself to the public as socially committed and sustainable and I I have a solution for Wiesbaden because it's not enough for me to criticize the situation. I want to show you solutions and my solution is the Wiesbaden model, which means voluntary commitment for every investment. We'll open all the doors for you First of all, 15 percent of your investment amount should be invested in social housing and the companies will say yes because everyone will, for public relations reasons and also from the morals and ethics that are returning to the economy, except the financial sector, please use this to become sustainably socially committed To represent it in a morally and ethically correct way, Wiesbaden can participate in this. Mr. in the wood, our social cell, please don't give any money back to the state of Hesse. Instead, ask us pirates what we can do with it in the short term in social housing. Hans-please come to the end, that is It's a shame that living space is becoming more scarce and more expensive. Where does Wiesbaden want to go? I suggested we march through our favorite topic: water, the additional costs are also rising. That's a very important topic for our city councilors too from the Federal Cartel Office has taken refuge in the fees and a fee budget means you are not allowed to make a profit, that's what the city of Wiesbaden does and thus violates the Hessian municipal code. Many other cities do the same but we are in Wiesbaden. I have to change that. That means one for a family of four Reimbursement for the last two years of 300 euros each. The city of Wiesbaden apparently wants to put this money into the Rhein-Main Hall. Penultimate point, I really have to apologize for putting the pedal to the metal now, our holding company that unites the cities and society, which is all so great We took a look at the balance sheets that were published in the Federal Gazette, 125 million receivables compared to 1.06 billion liabilities, which means we have 900 million euros in insolvency, four five companies alone, combined, results in an interest payment of 60 million per year. What's the plan, Mr. Müller The interest rates are eating up your options looks like sustainability I also bet that 50% of the supervisory boards appointed in this society can't read the balance sheet at all there has to be a solution and the solution can look like for example I'll try to make it very short about cooperatives establishments that belong to the citizens, are managed commercially, generate a profit that benefits the citizens. Transparency after this pseudo-revelation since in the city council I am calling for a transparency law in Hesse or, if necessary, in Wiesbaden a resolution based on the Hamburg model. Hamburg has a transparency law. I really have to ask slowly now to come to the end, okay, it's important to me, Linux is important according to the Munich model, we are the urban cooperatives, and I'll go straight to the end. Citizens' initiative must be brought back to life, the light rail must be reactivated, the pressure from the population must increase and why should you give me your vote I vote you vote for solutions I have no financial interests or no personal interests I no longer have to make a name for myself you vote for a strong sense of justice I have and am already taking half of my time for this goal and also for the pirates I'm committed and for me too, people come first, but it's not enough for me. I want to achieve something for people. Finances are just a necessary means to achieve that and I come to my final sentence: I also reach out to you, but somewhat conservative-thinking people also all the dissatisfied ones who don't know where it's going, it's about our city and we're all making Wiesbaden clear to change and I'm so clear to change yes, hello, my night was a bit short today because I've been thinking a lot for about two weeks I'm thinking about what I want to tell you here today as I stand here to convince you that I'm the right one of us and I have to be honest and say when I fell into bed at 4 this morning I still didn't know that Exactly, I was thinking that a lot of good topics are probably already gone. I could have said something about social justice or traffic, about transparency or the local election councils. That would all be a bit obsolete now because other candidates have already committed themselves to it. I could have also said something about my beautiful route to the captain or the Wiesbaden courier or via the Rhein-Mainhallen but these are all topics that I don't see any relevance to either because the child has already fallen into the well or because it doesn't have much to do with politics I thought I could tell you something here about public transport, i.e. ticket-free public transport. I could tell you something about the cleanliness in the city center. I could tell you something about the Artalbahn or the Stadtbahn, which will hopefully come soon. I could tell you something about daycare places that don't cost any more than they are already doing, which is far too much. I could tell you something about wind power or about camera surveillance in Wiesbaden, which is now doubtful. I won't do that because these are all topics that are well known and are in our Wiesbaden pirate program and that's where I stand behind it I'm standing here because I want to run a great election campaign with you, I want to have fun with you, it's going to be an exhausting time and we need to spend at least a lot of energy if you really believe that we have a small chance, a very small chance that we can that we that we will elect mayor then I would like to suggest you be so kind and vote for Markus okay thank you Robert that's the end of the round of introductions and we come to the question round there are questions from the from the podium I don't understand at all down here Just a moment, we've now had the round of introductions for the three existing candidates. I'm making a final call for the list of candidates to see if there is another candidate for the mayor's position. That doesn't seem to be the case. I'll just let a little bit of time pass, okay there is no more candidates I am now officially closing the list of candidates. No more candidates can be added to the list and you cannot have them removed from it. Then we come to the question round 1 2 3 so there are questions from the podium to one of the three Candidates or to all three candidates there is also a question for today. I have a question for Markus, you said before last week about last week so much would have come over you how do you rate that when you become a candidate, what will it be like and would like to earn it somehow, I feel like I'm up to it, okay, so I had actually noticed in the last few days that a lot of things had broken in on me, but what made me feel better about myself I was just as surprised as I am now that I could actually say something about everything, even if I didn't have that much idea, so I thought, okay, that's how politicians are on the move, but I don't want to take the liberty of doing that I think I can handle it well because I put wax in there, that's what I've come up with in the last week and a half, that's how it was all at once in the beginning and then you grow into it, so I can imagine it, yes, thank you I think Markus has just reported her. Markus Kairies has just reported her and I haven't heard my last name as often at school as I did here today at the casting place. I wanted to ask Robert now because he actively recommended Markus if you were out of it are out of the race or whether you at least continue to nominate yourself okay further questions that go to all candidates you support the winner okay all three say yes hello I am the wolf I also have a question for all three candidates on September 29th is a nationwide nationwide campaign Day in Germany, everyone of you knows or who of you knows what kind of day of action this is, I would be interested to know, it's about undistributing, no one is good, thank you very briefly because God's creeds are always important to us and the church is full anyway and so on No, the pirates also have statements in the religious direction on our [__], yes the Tangierman or at least two people here, I think I have already at least thought about it and I would like to ask the candidates if they have an opinion, for example if the mayor is now please Exactly, I'm not talking about swearing and so on, for example, if someone says exactly I abide by all the laws and am God and so on, whether you say that too, for example, I like to say that I am I quoted this during the OBE's term of office because it is called that, but the Hessian municipal code also states that it can be replaced. My personal opinion on the Christian church, the Islamic church is a very divided one, I tolerate every religion but I don't belong to any of these religions myself and that's conviction if then I'm more close to Buddhism but I'm not good either, yes with swearing it's such a thing no a lot of people do that and then yes I don't want to join in with that and now on on on of course you feel clearly oppressed when he the Bible lies and whether you rely on the Bible, my God, basically I swear to say that always there to swear what I feel in myself, what I perceive as was and in the exchange with others then also in the development as was I experience and that Whether someone has said that at some point doesn't play a big role for me, so basically I'm not interested in what a person believes, that's up to those people themselves Bible swear on the Torah on the Koran or on the holy book of your choice or how I would do it on the constitution yes we will come out with a result today so that means there will be a mayoral candidate I want to ask the question the other way around what or what kind of help do you expect from the Pirates in your campaign? Then the question goes to all three, so the support for that, I have to first decide what type of election campaign we want to run and whether we want to run an election campaign with which we are involved whether we assume that we will actually win the election or whether we want to run an election campaign in which we assume that we will simply make as much noise as possible to attract attention. In the first case, we have to be a little more subtle because otherwise we will be vulnerable later we really will and then we'll get a pretty good slap in the magistrate from the CDU and SPD and if our Obi can tell whether he's actually in office and can't get his foot on the ground then that would be pretty bad in the second case Can we do a lot of creative things, I think for me support would actually be yes, I can't really add that much anymore but where did you probably go when up there but for me support would definitely be any form of communication in exchange Because misunderstandings arise very quickly and it would be clear to me that my goal would be for the party to stand behind me, but we've seen that many times in the past. The party doesn't always have to stand behind the candidate. Of course, it's an advantage that we personally think it's very nice if Then even when we are in the election campaign, we also provide each other with support that can then be implemented in practice, so it's not just that someone says yes, I can support you there, support you there, but we need people and a committee who sit together and also know their stuff I had to honestly say that I don't know enough about what it's ultimately about, but I'm extremely willing to continue to exchange ideas, so I would like to make it very clear. There are different areas, for example Michael, I would like your support count in terms of social legislation and opportunities that a municipality has and I would like to remind you again that we have a mayoral election campaign here, it is not a state parliament or a federal election and it is primarily about local issues. I have already received a lot of support from the Pirates. I would like to I hope that during the election campaign this support will perhaps be increased in one area or another and one more thing, I personally believe that the time for disrupting and throwing sand into the gears and loudly proclaiming issues without any effect should be over with the Pirates, I believe In the future, the citizens will be especially those who did not vote and I would like to remind you that 72% did not vote to take the citizens with you in Wiesbaden to show that we are also achieving something. I think the turning point for the Pirates has come this year and it would be It's nice when a little more pragmatism sometimes comes in and we push through goals in order to do and achieve something for the people we're always talking about, and I'm counting on your support. What topics would you focus on, what's really on your mind? burns if you look at the city of Wiesbaden instead of you still have a moment to think about it, so I just saw what the priorities are, yes for me it's like that, we can't talk about it, what does the city budget give to intensify social housing construction, for example, before we have not solved the other issue where does the money come from and that can be solved and I repeat myself I have no longer achieved some goals but for me social housing is one of the issues for me is human dignity and the treatment of Wiesbaden as an option municipality, thank you I learned from Michael that he has all the possibilities to set up certain structures myself and these structures have to be used, that is, all of them. Unfortunately, I didn't get to the point where things that people are unworthy of doing should be abolished in the process, introducing a different process but at the same time being able to really do something and not, as I have learned, to just babble about how different everything has to be, but the question is how do we do it differently, that is actually the core issue in all points and detoxification of the administration is my second topic because we also have the opportunity to achieve something there To be there in a more humane way for many who have fallen through the social net at the moment or are just hanging at the bottom. That is the core issue. My core issues are the one. My absolute focus will be to ensure that there is the opportunity again in the city in the municipality that projects for the population can take place here in Wiesbaden. At the moment we have the problem of the grand coalition that is simply blocking a lot of possibilities from the outset. There is no room for innovation. There is no room for development and I have to change that. Yes, education and social projects in the In general, before I get into it here, I can of course only support it, of course there are other areas, but I'll now make up my mind: education and social projects in general, you have to discuss this in more detail, that's of course a quick question here purely factual issue that has nothing to do with us at all. Hesse is the last large federal state to have the Hessian magistrate constitution and since it is the core problem of the mayor and the city council assemblies have relatively little power compared to the southern German council constitution, which does not have this power of the magistrate and in the medium term it would also be desirable that we modernize ourselves a bit and not have the municipal constitution from 1946 but a more modern constitution in the city of Wiesbaden. Ask someone, okay, if there are no more questions, then that can't be all that you have to ask a little more time to think about it, I wanted to give you something else 3 2 1 ah there is someone else who has the question Johannes Johann I'm not a Linuxer I'm an Apple freak exactly the paradise on earth Windows and so on but for example in the federal candidate treasure is It was also written there no, so for example you want the city of Wiesbaden on mulinox um yes exactly so if you want the Wiesbaden a new project would probably have to be done and so yes you want Johannes that was one of the topics that I can no longer get hold of now there is called the Munich model limux a modified Linux the city of Munich will save seven million in license fees to Microsoft starting this year and I am absolutely in favor of starting a project immediately if I have a say in this that plans how the migration can take place and implement it within 3 years, thank you very much I also vouch for the group that is dealing with the topic and unfortunately we didn't get together after the initial meeting, but we'll work on it. Feasibility, you got in touch, Bernd, come on, you want to, okay, there are three other questions two one last chance last chance over so the question is closed and we get to the voting process and then I hand over to the returning officer so there are a few technical things that need to be clarified first, I would recommend we take a short five minute break and in In the meantime, I'll ask the potential election workers to come to me so that we can clarify this and I also need Christoph for the ballot papers, thank you. Then I'll briefly explain the election, i.e. the election for the mayoral candidate takes place by acceptance vote or also called election by consent Instead you can give each of the candidates one vote or you can deny them that means on the ballot paper that has three names on it you can make three crosses, two crosses one cross or zero crosses, but only one cross per candidate at most the one who has the most votes and more than 50% of the valid votes cast is then your mayoral candidate. If there is a tie, there would be a runoff election with the candidates who have the same number. So there are still questions, that is apparently not the case, then I would now like to ask the poll workers to come to me To come and vote, you need your ballot paper. You should have already received it when you were accredited. You need the accreditation, the accreditation card, because we have to cross off who has already cast a vote. So without the orange piece of paper, anyone who wants to vote secretly could not cast a vote here For example, you can go to the Asbach Uralt KB cabaret back there and somehow secretly cast your vote there. I now have to ask Christoph how many accredited voters we have right now, 21 for the record. Then I would like to ask Sepp to turn off the stream or put it on a still image to switch on and thus open the first round of voting, please, we will make the counting public here. If you want to watch, you are welcome to watch, as there are no further program items at the moment anyway. I don't think we would have to continue the meeting while the counting is taking place, so we have a result, I ask for Rest there were 21 eligible voters who cast 20 valid that is the relevant number was 19 valid votes cast on candidate number three Robert Krause in many five votes on candidate number one Markus Klös recommended 9 votes on candidate number 2 Hansjörg Tangermann 10 votes were cast This means he has both 50% of 19 and the most votes, which is why I'm now asking Hansjörg, will you accept the election, so you have a mayor, no data, congratulations, so I'll hand it back over to the chair of the meeting, and from my side, congratulations to Hans -jörg Tangermann This brings us to the last election today and two people need two people of trust who are contact persons for the returning officer and who also submit the election proposal to the returning officer. Bernd Fachinger and I suggest that if there is no objection, we do it in a joint vote We do this in a joint vote, which means both are then confirmed or elected in one round or do you have something against it as a person of trust? Yes, it's the same as in the local elections of the person of trust as the contact person for the returning officer, which I only have the persons of trust who can do that submit the election proposal to the returning officer if there are any problems with the painting suggestion then the returning officer turns to the persons of trust only they can act as a contact person, okay if there is no objection then we will do it in a joint ballot. There are apparently no more suggestions for persons of trust The list of candidates is also closed so who is in favor of Bernd Fachinger and Michael göttenauer as confidants to the 13 votes who is against it no votes against abstentions also no abstentions good so we also have two confidants so we come to the point of other things does anyone have anything to say about the point of other things That's not the case either, so at the end we come to the final words, the KV chairman, while Fachinger, who just needs it at the moment, while he's taking the minutes, Hans-jörg can say a few words to us, yes, I'm surprised, thank you very much I'm very surprised for your trust and I promise you, as I just said, that I'll handle your trust responsibly and promise you that we'll all run an election campaign together, it's just so bad and we're trying to take the 72% of people who didn't vote with us next to of course the 28% who in our opinion voted for the wrong person but let's really let it rip as soon as it starts and I'm standing here today saying our chance is very small but when I was a teenager there was the famous punk saying you have none But take advantage of the opportunity and I think we should see it that way and the goal is clearly to challenge Obi dr Müller despite the situation, despite the environment, despite the conservative structures in Wiesbaden and maybe even beat us respectably or win, as we know nothing ever happens, thank you very much, great Bernd, but really, I said it before, I'm counting on your support because without you nothing works, please congratulations on your election, it was close, it was really close, well, after this district party conference will soon be over The work is just beginning for us, that has to be clear to us and to you too and to me too and to everyone in general. So I'm definitely glad that we got this done and that we can actually suggest someone we see on posters I think it's great and we'll stand up to the others we'll stand up to these so-called established parties. I'm curious to see how many voters we can still attract and what's going on in Wiesbaden right away. Yes, that brings us to the end of the district party conference, I think Everything has been said, everything is recorded and wrapped up, yes and I would say then I'll close the meeting here and wish you another and like the meeting. Finally, excuse me, the meeting and wish you a wonderful day, help with the clean-up, you know the usual</transcript><caption><image_1>The image shows a large conference room with a stage and a projector screen. On the stage, there is a man standing at a podium and speaking into a microphone. He is wearing a black t-shirt and appears to be giving a presentation. Behind him, there are several people sitting at long tables with microphones in front of them. The room has a wooden floor and a large window on the left side. The text on the image reads "Aufs-flungsversammlung KV Wiesbaden für den OB-Kandidaten" which translates to "The presentation for the OB-kandidate" in English. There is also a banner on the right side of the image that reads "Piraten Parten" which is German for "Pirates of the Caribbean".</caption>Fine, then I'll start again, it's now half past ten on the dot, it's twelve, sorry, it's twelve, we start at 11 a.m. So I'd like to warmly welcome you all again for coming to our second district party conference, the extraordinary one in Wiesbaden to meet the mayoral candidate's cows great, I'm glad that you all sat at the front and didn't sit in the back row, that's nice too, of course someone told me exactly the same thing at school, I was at school myself, it's true, yes, I would even if I did are all accredited are all accredited or are there still some who don't have voting cards yet that doesn't look like in the Taunussteiner yes yes yes I'm not allowed to either okay well then it looks like we're done so far then we could theoretically continue with no signal there Michael, who is using the projector, has just shut down his computer. Windows, so welcome, it says good again and then I need a bit of support in terms of protocol, so the first point will be that we vote on the agenda. These are also suggestions permissible, you can add that, I think Michael's computer is just too small, it can't do it yet, it still has a very small, poor Windows XP computer. Richard just put Linux on it, yes, so it looks like I have to do a little more Solo entertainers are playing here. Yes, we currently have three candidates who are standing for election. There will be the possibility that there will still be spontaneous candidacies, so everyone can still think about it but would also like to become mayor I see enthusiastic hands everywhere, it doesn't seem like anyone wants to become mayor here except the three candidates, well, we still have one candidate, so now the internet doesn't quite want to, who's going to the state party conference, two three four five six seven, okay, when is that one on the weekend no not yet okay who has already submitted all the program applications okay please something in the RTK well we're not talking about that here so RTK has done something again that the Wiesbaden didn't do namely submitted applications well well something like that on the topic 12 or 13 below is social volunteer work and kind of durable and a few more hats off so it can only be a matter of hours if necessary we take the first break you will find that this is advertising I don't exactly I have the feeling that it is more advertising for Linux or for OS for Mac OS exactly so still not ready should I give you my stick maybe it's connected to the power for your cell phone or what is definitely an iPhone that works that looks a lot like the Internet to me we used to be smart and we downloaded everything onto the hard drive But well then no one could watch. By the way, there is a protocol pad that means the same as what Michael had just opened or what they are all called, only at the back it doesn't have anything on it after the last slash but with KPT 20.12.2 protocol so we can start as you can see you can see the TU you can make it a little bigger control plus just that you can read it exactly like that back there too Robert if you just can't read it then okay I'll just read it out loud so that We can leave out the first two points, no, the various times back at 10 a.m. there was setup and accreditation, unfortunately that went on until 11:30 a.m. but no problem after that, the opening of the meeting by the KV chairman, that's me Resolution of the agenda then the resolution of the rules of procedure then the election of the chairman of the meeting then the election of the minutes then the election of the election assistant and the appointment of the election assistants then after the high point the election of the op candidate, whereby the first round of introductions is planned in the Questions can also be asked and hopefully the question will be answered in the round yes and then the election then we have an op candidate when this mayoral candidate is chosen by us then we have to appoint people of trust who work together with the returning officer of Wiesbaden then basically that documented document so then other things that's the point under the knife anything can be introduced yes then I'll say a few words again and the mayor candidate will be the new one and then the meeting will close as far as it's clear there are still requests for changes at TU 3 2 1 someone has a request for a change, the determination of the proper invitation, we have to take that into account, well, then I would like to state here that the invitation was given within a deadline and in the correct form and that we have a quorum, so this point is over, I think, thank you, I don't see any other requests for changes and The round of introductions for the applicants is in what order. If an order has already been determined, I would like to submit the application so that the lot decides. We can just do that. Anyone have anything against it. Other suggestions that are not the case, wonderful. Then I would say yes, Markus Hello, I wanted to briefly introduce myself to you, I'm Christoph rausinger here from Wiesbaden, but I have the problem that I found out here with my ID that I'm registered in Bavaria, which means I'm probably not entitled to vote here or somehow entitled to speak or something else I'm not in Wiesbaden, yes, then it shaped itself, yes, okay, thanks again to clarify whether I can become a candidate. Anyone can become a candidate, regardless of where they live, you don't have to live here in Wiesbaden to become a mayoral candidate. You would then have to move to Wiesbaden if you really become mayor It's a good question, we'll do that later when we introduce the candidates, yes, basically, yes, so you have to think about it if you're moving, then you're there if you rule that out Unfortunately, it's so big that I don't understand anything. I mean, when it comes to accreditation, I can of course only assume what the membership administration is doing, so according to my information, they recently moved or what, so are you actually not eligible to vote? Are there any other objections to the TU? Ambiguities that they are not so seriously there is nothing more to object to, good, all right, then I ask that the agenda be adopted, who is in favor of adopting the agenda as it is, that is clearly the majority, who is against it, no one is worth one against it, one vote against it and who abstains well then we have one vote against, the agenda is adopted as is, then we come to the rules of procedure, that is the thing that will now significantly accompany us through the district party conference, so it is practically identical to that of the last one Just a few force four Paragraph 1 has been changed and paragraph 2 is now new, this has now been added specifically for the mayoral election. Election mode for mayoral candidates, well, you've all spent the night fighting over the Go and you know what it looks like and can also handle the changes So start something, so I'm now asking you whether you agree with the GU as it stands at the front, who is for it, who is against it. Abstentions, with 5 abstentions, the go is accepted, wonderful, so next we elect the chairman of the meeting. I see it really, really well then I would like to have suggestions for the meeting leaders yes Robert the Robert suggests Ernst Ernst Preußler Ernst Joachim Preußler than we as meeting leaders other suggestions behind you Michael göttenauer is also proposed for the meeting leader other suggestions three like this one none more wonderfully good we can do you want to vote openly you want to withdraw then the chairman of the meeting good okay then we still have then we only have one candidate that Michael göttenauer we can vote on that straight away just yes who would like Michael göppenauer to be the chairman of the meeting today thank you very much who is against who abstains one abstention with two abstentions is Michael now accepted as chairman of the meeting okay thank you for the trust so we come to the next item on the agenda because the note-taker are there any suggestions for the note-taker Bernd other suggestions 321 none who is in favor of Bernd The minutes write that the majority are good, so you have the job and we still need a returning officer who has been nominated Ernst. If there are no other interested parties then who will vote for Ernst as the returning officer. I would also do the majority. Congratulations Ernst, you have the job So that brings us to the most interesting and relaxing point this evening not this evening this morning election of the Obi candidate yes there are people who would like to make themselves available as election beetles one two pieces that wouldn't be so lucky and we have one two three yes you have that Job so a suggestion was made to select the order of the interview round by drawing lots. Has anyone already prepared the appropriate lottery tickets? Before we get to that point, I still have to ask. Are there other people who would like to be put forward as candidates apart from the three who are already known? three two one the list of candidates is closed and there are three already known no other candidates and yes Bernd Christoph okay then we'll take a quick vote whether we determine the order by lot or accept the suggestion from the casting event who is the suggestion from Casting them to take over the order of the casting 7 who is responsible for determining the order of the castle are six also 7 okay I ask again who is responsible for taking over the order of the casting are 7 8 9 so again please back up nine who is for this To determine the order of the castle like that, we take the order as determined by the casting, that is, the first is Markus Klös, the second is Hans-jörg Tangermann 3 Robert Krause, so we now come to the round of introductions for the applicants. Everyone has a maximum of 10 minutes left let's briefly introduce myself first is Markus klöß for God's sake hello good morning my name is Markus Klös for those who don't know me yet two weeks ago we had the casting that I narrowly won, I realized relatively quickly that doesn't necessarily mean anything, however It means a lot because fries on Mondays the phone rings and says congratulations that you have won, that you have won, and then events come to a head for me. I had already been invited to Rheingau-Taunus during the site preparation -Kreis this is a prevention measure from the top a where it's about filtering out where do the problems we have come from and what can the schools do about it or about it and that's what happened there and I looked at it as everyone tried to be particularly eloquent So to talk and tried to make pragmatic suggestions, but what causes it to fail is money, yes, there is no money for all the projects and for me it is that the election result was for me first of all what I have to do now. I have to kneel down Then I tried to kneel in but I basically got stuck at work. I had to talk to authorities every day, every evening. The youth welfare office came to me and suggested improvements and I have to admit it quite frankly, so I was so overwhelmed. I noticed that it was Basically, I had to write it down because I don't think that what I had noticed would come out here so spontaneously and that is basically what is most important to me and what I would like to change in our politics The population also calls for a certain truth for this and that is that there are a lot of hungry people in power and unfortunately they are everywhere and that's what I mean what happens is people who have to do with the base have to do with the population and then the people are extremely insecure They then have very precise technical knowledge and they should work rhetorically cleverly. There was also the mayor of Held, why was there? Between us, I almost felt sick with the rhetoric with which he was able to gather people around him and I said that it couldn't be done like that move on, yes, there are so many who know exactly what it is and what's left are voters who are unsettled among those who act rhetorically, then they believe where things should go and I think I definitely have to change that. I'd rather be authentically nervous now Really nervous up here, yes, but I'm real and just shows where things need to be changed. I had to deal with a few people affected by Hartz IV recipients over the next few days, people who race to the employment office to the job center and it's just a catastrophe how overwhelmed the people are the job is how few orders are not orders how much they have to do but how little they are informed, so to speak, there are really essential things to find out, i.e. legal bases that are changed so quickly that those affected look for a contact person, the contact person in turn looks for someone to explain something to and no one looks more and then I stand there with the person affected and say yes, what do you want, just something pragmatic and what I can now only repeat, transparent pragmatic politics behind it, I think it's incredibly about social justice Now, in the ten minutes of speaking time that I have, I have to explain everything how and what I imagine and how, so I noticed that it's too much for me, I just need time, I just need a lot of background knowledge, there are people who can tell me that There are people who probably want to trip me up. Figuring it all out has become incredibly complex and these two weeks have shown one thing: that's what I've experienced before at work and what people are experiencing in a lasting way now We need transparency and to have the courage to really raise our voices and simply say something. We had three panel discussions last week. I had one from the youth welfare office, then from the Prevention Council Upper A and the people who are actually with the people at the grassroots level They don't dare to open their mouths, they then sit there and say yes, well put, and I have to change that fundamentally, so I think it's clear that the areas are education is an enormously big topic for me, of course, which I haven't touched on yet what about traffic, I definitely have to change the traffic situation in Wiesbaden is actually absolutely unbearable and my main goal at the moment has to be Mayor Müller, the system has had its day, it has to come to an end the way he imagines it to you, what I noticed, I have now seen him waving Oh dear, is that true and that's exactly it? There is a lack of exchange of information, why is this opinion important and there is simply a lack of transparency in Wiesbaden? Yes, as a candidate for Obi, I suddenly find out where who and how little transparency there actually is and There are so many who say they know where it's going and you can feel it and I actually appeal to everyone regardless of whether I leave the pitch here, wherever I am, I'll just keep going, it was like that for me before and it will continue to be the case that I want to make people aware of it, feel what they are telling you, there are so many who can act very skillfully and you think that you are also looking for hope, but the hope actually lies with everyone by being active themselves and the people are too cheerful with people, I mean the population, every single one that I feel addressed to, um, that's a huge task that of course always runs behind closed doors in Wiesbaden and I think we just need clear transparency and also an exchange because If someone waves and says, for God's sake, what did he say, yes, you need an exchange and the people who are affected don't get anything from it, it doesn't even reach them. I wrote down how important it would be to move the local speech to more functions, yes there are so many people living in Wiesbaden who are spread out over a large area, how should the formula be formulated, so no one has anything to do with the other anymore, there is no community that can pick up people who are on the move, there is definitely a lack of that also in Wiesbaden and when I walk through the pedestrian zone, well, we have become a consumer society, we look for orientation partly in consumer goods, whatever good, these are old topics that we all already know and, um, to get people to rethink things as if they would then probably basically make an impact in the administration and I think that's a big step for everyone if so much changes in the administration that it really reaches those affected and that's my core goal in all areas, thank you, okay, thank you, next is Hans Jörg Tangermann also excited, hello, I'm this morning, would you like Sepp to briefly communicate the story? Sorry, seriously, right then I'll give the floor again and reluctantly but yes, we have to do a few things again and we have to do it in the election The person taking the minutes and the returning officer also have to ask for the opposing votes. This is relatively important. The returning officer also names the election workers, so they are not determined by the meeting, but that's fine in itself. We'll do that later and the list of candidates still needs a certain number Time to be open and that's what I have to do as returning officer. We overlooked something last time or before. These are actually the three most important points. Then I would ask you to simply announce the election for returning officer again and this time ask who is in favor of it and Weather against so I candidate make the election for the returning officer again who is in favor of the seriousness of the returning officer he is against one against abstentions and no abstentions make product who is in favor of Bernd being the note taker against votes no against votes abstentions also no abstentions so unanimously good I will then call the election workers again and then call them when the time comes, when we argue about the election. Now it's very important as the returning officer. The list of candidates for the mayoral election is still open, it will be closed after the introduction of the two candidates who are just now imagine until then it is still possible to run for office. I will do it again according to the announcements when the list of candidates is closed. So now it continues. Yes, I can say hello twice. It was very nice to walk through the city from my home this morning and see how this beautiful city is waking up, I saw joggers, I even saw clubbers who just came home from Frankfurt, I saw children with their parents, I saw citizens of Wiesbaden and even a Go player who was looking for a tournament from Munich who was a guest in ours City and this city is beautiful I swear that I was the basic law for the Federal Republic of Germany and the constitution of the state of Hesse as well as all laws applicable in Hesse and that I will fulfill my duties conscientiously and impartially so God help me that is of course just a quote today But that is the oath of office of the mayor of Wiesbaden. My name is Hans-jörg Tangermann and I would like to become the candidate of the Pirate Party today so that next year I can say this sentence again in an important place and become the new mayor of Wiesbaden. Of course, all my friends ask why you are doing this actually and I can only repeat what I said at the casting, the limit is simply overflowing and I have to defend myself and in this respect I am here out of self-defense. I have also given ten percent of my income for good things throughout my life without saying much about it to talk and have done something but that's no longer enough now I would like to go out in public and do good things why the Pirates I unreservedly support the goals of the Pirate Party, especially the municipal goals, the UBI also needs to be further examined for feasibility and there I am also counting on Michael Passlack's help. In this context I would like to thank not only him but also Manuel for the open words to Bernd Richard Tobias Jörg Christoph Hildan Konstantin for the household Sepp Markus Kairies and last but not least Michael and Hendrik is also why I do it because I felt support and we are all angry together and the anger can be expressed in one sentence. I knew Wiesbaden is great on the outside and a lot of crap is on the inside and I have already spoken to the lady and apologized in advance Unfortunately, the Wiesbadener Kurier also helps to create this image. In my research in a year, I didn't find a semi-critical article about the grievances in this city, but the Frankfurter Rundschau writes much more critically, even though Frankfurt is far away and I would still read the Kurier Maybe ask me to be a little more critical and deviate from the court reporting that is being done here. You can see that I'm actually really angry why I attended the last city council meeting and followed the vote on the topic in my halls outdo what is supposed to be pushed through here, it is impertinent, it is not transparent, etc. I would like to throw three and four numbers at him. The Rhein-Mainhallen had a turnover of 7.8 million euros in 2010 and generated a loss of 1.6 million euros in addition to the costs and planning, almost all of the claims made by the city council or the magistrate or parts of the city council are untrue. The renowned office from Frankfurt speer-architekten with whom, by the way, I did two sustainability projects in China and I can tell you that the costs remain the same, created a paper in 2009 that was called Vision 2015 here are the cost specifications the renovation of the Rhein-Main-Hallen would cost 25 million euros a new building Speer estimates 125 million the loss would be three to four years I remind you of the sales of almost 8 million with a loss of 2 million myself Godchild with whom I had discussed this yesterday, after two minutes of consideration, said that wouldn't work even if we were to include subsidies from the state from the federal government if we were to include that we have more trade fair guests who spend money in Wiesbaden. I can imagine that Wiesbaden can't afford this on three fingers and the worst thing is that the attached daycare center becomes an alibi and in the end we will have Berlin airport in Wiesbaden and I will prevent that, even if they don't elect me, I will definitely work for it that there will be a citizens' initiative against the new construction of the Rhein-Main-Halle and I don't think the chances are bad based on the numbers and I didn't quote the oath of office for nothing, Doctor Müller, I would like to remind you of this oath of office, it can't be good in Wiesbaden It's to push through this project the way the budget currently looks, the worse it is here, the deeper you poke, the worse it actually gets and I don't even know anymore whether I'm angry or sad. By 2011, the city of Wiesbaden received one million from the state of Hesse, which had already been paid for intended for the use of social housing was transferred back to the state because they didn't manage to spend it on social housing, you know that I was flabbergasted, I wasn't even angry anymore, I was just shocked. Wiesbaden is apparently a must Simply put, it's too stupid to invest the money that has already been paid and if we do a short-term renovation measure or something that could certainly have been spent in a useful way for the people in Wiesbaden, social housing construction in Hesse has declined since 1990 and 70 percent in Wiesbaden. Figures are important Also in order to achieve something for people in Wiesbaden we had 93 25 social apartments in 2010 there were still 10,000 in 2020 if it would be under 7000 where are the pensioners who can no longer afford another apartment where are the apartments for families with large children I want I would like to briefly explain to you which models are currently available in Düsseldorf in Germany. There is the Düsseldorf model. Düsseldorf is debt-free and says quality comes before quantity. If you want a cheap apartment with us, you should move to the periphery. We do not build social housing and transfer all of the money the country back every year we want that in Wiesbaden too no no I don't in Hamburg there is a different model Hamburg they all see how it is built there is investment in the city what is happening Hamburg has developed a model you are welcome investor we want you the red one Carpet off but in addition to your investment you have to invest 30% of the investment amount in social housing projects. That doesn't mean that they lose money, just that they don't earn any and a company has the chance to present itself to the public as socially committed and sustainable and I I have a solution for Wiesbaden because it's not enough for me to criticize the situation. I want to show you solutions and my solution is the Wiesbaden model, which means voluntary commitment for every investment. We'll open all the doors for you First of all, 15 percent of your investment amount should be invested in social housing and the companies will say yes because everyone will, for public relations reasons and also from the morals and ethics that are returning to the economy, except the financial sector, please use this to become sustainably socially committed To represent it in a morally and ethically correct way, Wiesbaden can participate in this. Mr. in the wood, our social cell, please don't give any money back to the state of Hesse. Instead, ask us pirates what we can do with it in the short term in social housing. Hans-please come to the end, that is It's a shame that living space is becoming more scarce and more expensive. Where does Wiesbaden want to go? I suggested we march through our favorite topic: water, the additional costs are also rising. That's a very important topic for our city councilors too from the Federal Cartel Office has taken refuge in the fees and a fee budget means you are not allowed to make a profit, that's what the city of Wiesbaden does and thus violates the Hessian municipal code. Many other cities do the same but we are in Wiesbaden. I have to change that. That means one for a family of four Reimbursement for the last two years of 300 euros each. The city of Wiesbaden apparently wants to put this money into the Rhein-Main Hall. Penultimate point, I really have to apologize for putting the pedal to the metal now, our holding company that unites the cities and society, which is all so great We took a look at the balance sheets that were published in the Federal Gazette, 125 million receivables compared to 1.06 billion liabilities, which means we have 900 million euros in insolvency, four five companies alone, combined, results in an interest payment of 60 million per year. What's the plan, Mr. Müller The interest rates are eating up your options looks like sustainability I also bet that 50% of the supervisory boards appointed in this society can't read the balance sheet at all there has to be a solution and the solution can look like for example I'll try to make it very short about cooperatives establishments that belong to the citizens, are managed commercially, generate a profit that benefits the citizens. Transparency after this pseudo-revelation since in the city council I am calling for a transparency law in Hesse or, if necessary, in Wiesbaden a resolution based on the Hamburg model. Hamburg has a transparency law. I really have to ask slowly now to come to the end, okay, it's important to me, Linux is important according to the Munich model, we are the urban cooperatives, and I'll go straight to the end. Citizens' initiative must be brought back to life, the light rail must be reactivated, the pressure from the population must increase and why should you give me your vote I vote you vote for solutions I have no financial interests or no personal interests I no longer have to make a name for myself you vote for a strong sense of justice I have and am already taking half of my time for this goal and also for the pirates I'm committed and for me too, people come first, but it's not enough for me. I want to achieve something for people. Finances are just a necessary means to achieve that and I come to my final sentence: I also reach out to you, but somewhat conservative-thinking people also all the dissatisfied ones who don't know where it's going, it's about our city and we're all making Wiesbaden clear to change and I'm so clear to change yes, hello, my night was a bit short today because I've been thinking a lot for about two weeks I'm thinking about what I want to tell you here today as I stand here to convince you that I'm the right one of us and I have to be honest and say when I fell into bed at 4 this morning I still didn't know that Exactly, I was thinking that a lot of good topics are probably already gone. I could have said something about social justice or traffic, about transparency or the local election councils. That would all be a bit obsolete now because other candidates have already committed themselves to it. I could have also said something about my beautiful route to the captain or the Wiesbaden courier or via the Rhein-Mainhallen but these are all topics that I don't see any relevance to either because the child has already fallen into the well or because it doesn't have much to do with politics I thought I could tell you something here about public transport, i.e. ticket-free public transport. I could tell you something about the cleanliness in the city center. I could tell you something about the Artalbahn or the Stadtbahn, which will hopefully come soon. I could tell you something about daycare places that don't cost any more than they are already doing, which is far too much. I could tell you something about wind power or about camera surveillance in Wiesbaden, which is now doubtful. I won't do that because these are all topics that are well known and are in our Wiesbaden pirate program and that's where I stand behind it I'm standing here because I want to run a great election campaign with you, I want to have fun with you, it's going to be an exhausting time and we need to spend at least a lot of energy if you really believe that we have a small chance, a very small chance that we can that we that we will elect mayor then I would like to suggest you be so kind and vote for Markus okay thank you Robert that's the end of the round of introductions and we come to the question round there are questions from the from the podium I don't understand at all down here Just a moment, we've now had the round of introductions for the three existing candidates. I'm making a final call for the list of candidates to see if there is another candidate for the mayor's position. That doesn't seem to be the case. I'll just let a little bit of time pass, okay there is no more candidates I am now officially closing the list of candidates. No more candidates can be added to the list and you cannot have them removed from it. Then we come to the question round 1 2 3 so there are questions from the podium to one of the three Candidates or to all three candidates there is also a question for today. I have a question for Markus, you said before last week about last week so much would have come over you how do you rate that when you become a candidate, what will it be like and would like to earn it somehow, I feel like I'm up to it, okay, so I had actually noticed in the last few days that a lot of things had broken in on me, but what made me feel better about myself I was just as surprised as I am now that I could actually say something about everything, even if I didn't have that much idea, so I thought, okay, that's how politicians are on the move, but I don't want to take the liberty of doing that I think I can handle it well because I put wax in there, that's what I've come up with in the last week and a half, that's how it was all at once in the beginning and then you grow into it, so I can imagine it, yes, thank you I think Markus has just reported her. Markus Kairies has just reported her and I haven't heard my last name as often at school as I did here today at the casting place. I wanted to ask Robert now because he actively recommended Markus if you were out of it are out of the race or whether you at least continue to nominate yourself okay further questions that go to all candidates you support the winner okay all three say yes hello I am the wolf I also have a question for all three candidates on September 29th is a nationwide nationwide campaign Day in Germany, everyone of you knows or who of you knows what kind of day of action this is, I would be interested to know, it's about undistributing, no one is good, thank you very briefly because God's creeds are always important to us and the church is full anyway and so on No, the pirates also have statements in the religious direction on our [__], yes the Tangierman or at least two people here, I think I have already at least thought about it and I would like to ask the candidates if they have an opinion, for example if the mayor is now please Exactly, I'm not talking about swearing and so on, for example, if someone says exactly I abide by all the laws and am God and so on, whether you say that too, for example, I like to say that I am I quoted this during the OBE's term of office because it is called that, but the Hessian municipal code also states that it can be replaced. My personal opinion on the Christian church, the Islamic church is a very divided one, I tolerate every religion but I don't belong to any of these religions myself and that's conviction if then I'm more close to Buddhism but I'm not good either, yes with swearing it's such a thing no a lot of people do that and then yes I don't want to join in with that and now on on on of course you feel clearly oppressed when he the Bible lies and whether you rely on the Bible, my God, basically I swear to say that always there to swear what I feel in myself, what I perceive as was and in the exchange with others then also in the development as was I experience and that Whether someone has said that at some point doesn't play a big role for me, so basically I'm not interested in what a person believes, that's up to those people themselves Bible swear on the Torah on the Koran or on the holy book of your choice or how I would do it on the constitution yes we will come out with a result today so that means there will be a mayoral candidate I want to ask the question the other way around what or what kind of help do you expect from the Pirates in your campaign? Then the question goes to all three, so the support for that, I have to first decide what type of election campaign we want to run and whether we want to run an election campaign with which we are involved whether we assume that we will actually win the election or whether we want to run an election campaign in which we assume that we will simply make as much noise as possible to attract attention. In the first case, we have to be a little more subtle because otherwise we will be vulnerable later we really will and then we'll get a pretty good slap in the magistrate from the CDU and SPD and if our Obi can tell whether he's actually in office and can't get his foot on the ground then that would be pretty bad in the second case Can we do a lot of creative things, I think for me support would actually be yes, I can't really add that much anymore but where did you probably go when up there but for me support would definitely be any form of communication in exchange Because misunderstandings arise very quickly and it would be clear to me that my goal would be for the party to stand behind me, but we've seen that many times in the past. The party doesn't always have to stand behind the candidate. Of course, it's an advantage that we personally think it's very nice if Then even when we are in the election campaign, we also provide each other with support that can then be implemented in practice, so it's not just that someone says yes, I can support you there, support you there, but we need people and a committee who sit together and also know their stuff I had to honestly say that I don't know enough about what it's ultimately about, but I'm extremely willing to continue to exchange ideas, so I would like to make it very clear. There are different areas, for example Michael, I would like your support count in terms of social legislation and opportunities that a municipality has and I would like to remind you again that we have a mayoral election campaign here, it is not a state parliament or a federal election and it is primarily about local issues. I have already received a lot of support from the Pirates. I would like to I hope that during the election campaign this support will perhaps be increased in one area or another and one more thing, I personally believe that the time for disrupting and throwing sand into the gears and loudly proclaiming issues without any effect should be over with the Pirates, I believe In the future, the citizens will be especially those who did not vote and I would like to remind you that 72% did not vote to take the citizens with you in Wiesbaden to show that we are also achieving something. I think the turning point for the Pirates has come this year and it would be It's nice when a little more pragmatism sometimes comes in and we push through goals in order to do and achieve something for the people we're always talking about, and I'm counting on your support. What topics would you focus on, what's really on your mind? burns if you look at the city of Wiesbaden instead of you still have a moment to think about it, so I just saw what the priorities are, yes for me it's like that, we can't talk about it, what does the city budget give to intensify social housing construction, for example, before we have not solved the other issue where does the money come from and that can be solved and I repeat myself I have no longer achieved some goals but for me social housing is one of the issues for me is human dignity and the treatment of Wiesbaden as an option municipality, thank you I learned from Michael that he has all the possibilities to set up certain structures myself and these structures have to be used, that is, all of them. Unfortunately, I didn't get to the point where things that people are unworthy of doing should be abolished in the process, introducing a different process but at the same time being able to really do something and not, as I have learned, to just babble about how different everything has to be, but the question is how do we do it differently, that is actually the core issue in all points and detoxification of the administration is my second topic because we also have the opportunity to achieve something there To be there in a more humane way for many who have fallen through the social net at the moment or are just hanging at the bottom. That is the core issue. My core issues are the one. My absolute focus will be to ensure that there is the opportunity again in the city in the municipality that projects for the population can take place here in Wiesbaden. At the moment we have the problem of the grand coalition that is simply blocking a lot of possibilities from the outset. There is no room for innovation. There is no room for development and I have to change that. Yes, education and social projects in the In general, before I get into it here, I can of course only support it, of course there are other areas, but I'll now make up my mind: education and social projects in general, you have to discuss this in more detail, that's of course a quick question here purely factual issue that has nothing to do with us at all. Hesse is the last large federal state to have the Hessian magistrate constitution and since it is the core problem of the mayor and the city council assemblies have relatively little power compared to the southern German council constitution, which does not have this power of the magistrate and in the medium term it would also be desirable that we modernize ourselves a bit and not have the municipal constitution from 1946 but a more modern constitution in the city of Wiesbaden. Ask someone, okay, if there are no more questions, then that can't be all that you have to ask a little more time to think about it, I wanted to give you something else 3 2 1 ah there is someone else who has the question Johannes Johann I'm not a Linuxer I'm an Apple freak exactly the paradise on earth Windows and so on but for example in the federal candidate treasure is It was also written there no, so for example you want the city of Wiesbaden on mulinox um yes exactly so if you want the Wiesbaden a new project would probably have to be done and so yes you want Johannes that was one of the topics that I can no longer get hold of now there is called the Munich model limux a modified Linux the city of Munich will save seven million in license fees to Microsoft starting this year and I am absolutely in favor of starting a project immediately if I have a say in this that plans how the migration can take place and implement it within 3 years, thank you very much I also vouch for the group that is dealing with the topic and unfortunately we didn't get together after the initial meeting, but we'll work on it. Feasibility, you got in touch, Bernd, come on, you want to, okay, there are three other questions two one last chance last chance over so the question is closed and we get to the voting process and then I hand over to the returning officer so there are a few technical things that need to be clarified first, I would recommend we take a short five minute break and in In the meantime, I'll ask the potential election workers to come to me so that we can clarify this and I also need Christoph for the ballot papers, thank you. Then I'll briefly explain the election, i.e. the election for the mayoral candidate takes place by acceptance vote or also called election by consent Instead you can give each of the candidates one vote or you can deny them that means on the ballot paper that has three names on it you can make three crosses, two crosses one cross or zero crosses, but only one cross per candidate at most the one who has the most votes and more than 50% of the valid votes cast is then your mayoral candidate. If there is a tie, there would be a runoff election with the candidates who have the same number. So there are still questions, that is apparently not the case, then I would now like to ask the poll workers to come to me To come and vote, you need your ballot paper. You should have already received it when you were accredited. You need the accreditation, the accreditation card, because we have to cross off who has already cast a vote. So without the orange piece of paper, anyone who wants to vote secretly could not cast a vote here For example, you can go to the Asbach Uralt KB cabaret back there and somehow secretly cast your vote there. I now have to ask Christoph how many accredited voters we have right now, 21 for the record. Then I would like to ask Sepp to turn off the stream or put it on a still image to switch on and thus open the first round of voting, please, we will make the counting public here. If you want to watch, you are welcome to watch, as there are no further program items at the moment anyway. I don't think we would have to continue the meeting while the counting is taking place, so we have a result, I ask for Rest there were 21 eligible voters who cast 20 valid that is the relevant number was 19 valid votes cast on candidate number three Robert Krause in many five votes on candidate number one Markus Klös recommended 9 votes on candidate number 2 Hansjörg Tangermann 10 votes were cast This means he has both 50% of 19 and the most votes, which is why I'm now asking Hansjörg, will you accept the election, so you have a mayor, no data, congratulations, so I'll hand it back over to the chair of the meeting, and from my side, congratulations to Hans -jörg Tangermann This brings us to the last election today and two people need two people of trust who are contact persons for the returning officer and who also submit the election proposal to the returning officer. Bernd Fachinger and I suggest that if there is no objection, we do it in a joint vote We do this in a joint vote, which means both are then confirmed or elected in one round or do you have something against it as a person of trust? Yes, it's the same as in the local elections of the person of trust as the contact person for the returning officer, which I only have the persons of trust who can do that submit the election proposal to the returning officer if there are any problems with the painting suggestion then the returning officer turns to the persons of trust only they can act as a contact person, okay if there is no objection then we will do it in a joint ballot. There are apparently no more suggestions for persons of trust The list of candidates is also closed so who is in favor of Bernd Fachinger and Michael göttenauer as confidants to the 13 votes who is against it no votes against abstentions also no abstentions good so we also have two confidants so we come to the point of other things does anyone have anything to say about the point of other things That's not the case either, so at the end we come to the final words, the KV chairman, while Fachinger, who just needs it at the moment, while he's taking the minutes, Hans-jörg can say a few words to us, yes, I'm surprised, thank you very much I'm very surprised for your trust and I promise you, as I just said, that I'll handle your trust responsibly and promise you that we'll all run an election campaign together, it's just so bad and we're trying to take the 72% of people who didn't vote with us next to of course the 28% who in our opinion voted for the wrong person but let's really let it rip as soon as it starts and I'm standing here today saying our chance is very small but when I was a teenager there was the famous punk saying you have none But take advantage of the opportunity and I think we should see it that way and the goal is clearly to challenge Obi dr Müller despite the situation, despite the environment, despite the conservative structures in Wiesbaden and maybe even beat us respectably or win, as we know nothing ever happens, thank you very much, great Bernd, but really, I said it before, I'm counting on your support because without you nothing works, please congratulations on your election, it was close, it was really close, well, after this district party conference will soon be over The work is just beginning for us, that has to be clear to us and to you too and to me too and to everyone in general. So I'm definitely glad that we got this done and that we can actually suggest someone we see on posters I think it's great and we'll stand up to the others we'll stand up to these so-called established parties. I'm curious to see how many voters we can still attract and what's going on in Wiesbaden right away. Yes, that brings us to the end of the district party conference, I think Everything has been said, everything is recorded and wrapped up, yes and I would say then I'll close the meeting here and wish you another and like the meeting. Finally, excuse me, the meeting and wish you a wonderful day, help with the clean-up, you know the usual
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