<transcript><audio_33>the lives of people's families are at risk and they do shoot people in there will be more people at risk yet by paying them you will are putting more people at risk</transcript><transcript><audio_34>I understand but can you expect an average person to make that utilitarian calculation follow through on it when it's someone in their life no I'm asking institutions I'm asking I'm not asking average individuals I understand that I would pay okay</transcript><transcript><audio_35>in fact if somebody kidnap you I would pay okay if I could okay I would do a fundraiser okay but I'm not an institution I'm not an institution I'm an individual I'm asking institutions institutions are</transcript><transcript><audio_36>not uh have higher Degrees of Separation from the victims have evolved and that's why we expect more from them than individuals okay unless they're religious institutions then we don't expect anything from them other than</transcript> the lives of people's families are at risk and they do shoot people in there will be more people at risk yet by paying them you will are putting more people at risk I understand but can you expect an average person to make that utilitarian calculation follow through on it when it's someone in their life no I'm asking institutions I'm asking I'm not asking average individuals I understand that I would pay okay in fact if somebody kidnap you I would pay okay if I could okay I would do a fundraiser okay but I'm not an institution I'm not an institution I'm an individual I'm asking institutions institutions are not uh have higher Degrees of Separation from the victims have evolved and that's why we expect more from them than individuals okay unless they're religious institutions then we don't expect anything from them other than
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