<caption><image_402>The image shows a group of people sitting in a room with a wooden paneled wall in the background. They are all holding microphones and appear to be engaged in a conversation. The focus of the image is on a man with a beard and glasses, who is holding a microphone and appears to be speaking into it. There are other people in the room, some of whom are also holding microphones. The image appears to have been taken in a dimly lit room.</caption><transcript><audio_403> Zweite Frage zu dem Argument der Steigerung der Nachfrage innerhalb der Grenzen der Effizienzsteigerung. Ich frage mich, ist das ein idealisiertes Argument wirklich?</transcript><caption><image_404>The image shows a group of people sitting in a room with wooden walls. They are all holding microphones and appear to be engaged in a conversation. The focus of the image is on a man with a beard, who is holding a microphone and appears to be speaking into it. He is wearing glasses and has a serious expression on his face. Behind him, there is another man who is also listening attentively. There is a bottle of beer on the table in front of them.</caption><transcript><audio_405> Ja, genau.</transcript><transcript><audio_406> Das frage ich mich. Vielen Dank. Dann noch die letzte Frage.</transcript><transcript><audio_407> Vielen Dank.</transcript><caption><image_408>The image shows a group of people standing in a room with wooden walls. The people are of different ages and genders, and they are all looking towards the front of the room. In the center of the image, there is a man with a beard, who appears to be speaking into a microphone. He is wearing a blue shirt and has a serious expression on his face. To his left, there are two women, one with blonde hair and the other with brunette hair, who are also looking towards him. The room appears to have a high ceiling with a chandelier hanging from it.</caption><transcript><audio_409> für Ästhetik, Simulierung</transcript><caption><image_410>The image shows two men sitting on a stage, engaged in a conversation. The man on the left is an older man with white hair and glasses, wearing a suit and tie. He is sitting in a chair with his legs crossed and appears to be speaking into a microphone. The other man is sitting next to him, also speaking into the microphone. They are both wearing suits and appear to be in a conference room with a large screen in the background. There are two small tables in front of them with water bottles on them. The audience can be seen in the foreground, attentively listening to the conversation.</caption><transcript><audio_411> Vielen Dank. Das ist eine interessante Frage. Es ist wichtig, das aufzubringen. Ich wusste nicht, dass ich das machen würde.</transcript> taking action? Yes, another one  second question about the argument of increasing demand within the limits of increasing efficiency I wonder is this an idealized argument if I have a computer for 5 years then the efficiency increases but that has nothing to do with me because I have my computer  I bought it 5 years ago, so we assume that we will have to replace our devices as soon as the efficiency has been increased. I'm wondering, thank you very much. Then the last question, thank you for the contributions, a quick question for the speaker, I'm wondering if we have new ones forms of politics whether we then also run the risk that traditional politics will be faded out, that's bad for aesthetic I can answer the first question and you can answer the second, yes, thank you very much, that 's an interesting question  It's bring this up. I
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