<transcript><audio_335> Ich habe eine Rückmeldung von Herrn Hilty. Sie haben gesagt, dass es Potenzial für Entkopplung gibt und dass hier natürlich sehr viele Effizienzgewinne realisiert wurden.</transcript><caption><image_336>The image shows a group of people sitting in a conference room, attentively listening to a speaker. They are all holding microphones and appear to be engaged in a discussion. The room has a wooden paneled wall and a blue chair on the right side of the image. There is a bottle of water on the table in front of them. The people in the image are of different ages and genders, and they are all looking towards the speaker with serious expressions on their faces.</caption><transcript><audio_337> Und das ist ein politisches Problem, was wir hier vorfinden. Und dem stimme ich durchaus zu. Aber es ist natürlich auch einfach zu sagen, es ist ein politisches Problem.</transcript><transcript><audio_338> Sie haben gerade dann noch gesagt, dass eine Art Mangel hier ein möglicher Ausweg dahin wäre zu dieser Kreislaufwirtschaft. Aber vielleicht gibt es ganz konkrete Beispiele, die Sie uns nennen können, was sich feststellt.</transcript> interested in hearing back from Mr. Hilti. They said that there is potential for of course, a lot of efficiency gains have been realized in the computer sector in the last few decades and that what we have here is a political problem and I definitely agree with that, but of course it is also easy to say that it is a political problem that they have right then  I also said that a kind of deficiency here would be a possible way out of this circular economy, but perhaps there are very concrete examples that you can give us of what
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