<transcript><audio_124> Claro que son mártires, pero mártires del demonio. Así los llama. Es muy fuerte. Es decir, si tú pones tu esperanza de salvación, si tú pones tu corazón en</transcript><transcript><audio_125> de muchas cosas, quizás eso no es un homenaje a Dios. Por eso la importancia de la tercera parte a la que ya casi vamos a entrar. Incluso ha habido algunos, como esta secta de los ultramontaneros,</transcript><transcript><audio_126> o como otra secta que tuvo mucha fuerza en el siglo XII y siglo XIII que fueron los cátaros la palabra cátaro significa</transcript><transcript><audio_127> cátaros eran de los que se creían radicales. Ellos eran absolutamente radicales. Y los cátaros, por ejemplo, decían todo placer es malo.</transcript><transcript><audio_128> al cuerpo es malo si una comida sabe bien es una comida que daña al espíritu por supuesto por ese camino condenaban absolutamente toda práctica sexual incluyendo el uso natural del sexo en el matrimonio entonces ellos condenaban el matrimonio</transcript> he says he says Catalina they are martyrs of course they are martyrs but martyrs of the devil that's what he calls them is very strong that is to say if you put your hope for salvation if you put your heart in that I am capable of abstaining from many things perhaps that is not a  homage to God that is why the importance in the third part to which we are almost going to enter, there have even been some like this sect of the ultra mountaineers of the second century or like another sect that was very strong in the 12th and 13th centuries that were  The Cathars, the word cataron means pure clean and the Cathars were those who believed themselves to be radical. They were absolutely radical and the Cathars, for example, said all pleasure is bad. Anything that gives pleasure to the body is bad. If a food tastes good, it is a food.  which damages the spirit, of course, in that way they condemned absolutely all sexual practices, including the natural use of sex in marriage, so they condemned marriage.
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