<transcript><audio_397>presenters I'm not sure but I think every organization has to have some experiment you have to have some place of research and development to try something to let it fail to try a different maybe it is a big departure</transcript><transcript><audio_398>maybe you create a couple of things that are really extraordinary departures just to see what happens and what it tells you and what you learn from it and I think that in a way what I would argue is all organizations are learning organizations they have to be learning organizations</transcript><transcript><audio_399>and you have to be looking at those kinds of Loops of doing new things of assessing or evaluating and changing and while it's not the most concrete do X and you'll get Y in terms of do X and you'll get y dollars I think that it's</transcript> presenters I'm not sure but I think every organization has to have some experiment you have to have some place of research and development to try something to let it fail to try a different maybe it is a big departure maybe you create a couple of things that are really extraordinary departures just to see what happens and what it tells you and what you learn from it and I think that in a way what I would argue is all organizations are learning organizations they have to be learning organizations and you have to be looking at those kinds of Loops of doing new things of assessing or evaluating and changing and while it's not the most concrete do X and you'll get Y in terms of do X and you'll get y dollars I think that it's
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