 And he beat Paul Ryan. So I'm not underestimating him. I assume he's going to be somebody that will be a worthy debater. New York Times reporter Maggie Haberman tells CNN Trump is not holding mock debates, but is involved in serious policy discussions as he prepares for Tuesday night. Trump did not help himself in 2020 when he was constantly interrupting Biden. He knows that. He has said that to people. Trump and his folks are aware that they set the expectations too low for Biden, and Biden beat them. They're trying to avoid doing that now.