 down in Madison, um, losing track of time here. I think it was in spring of 2023. I was down to, um, John Spiros asked me to come down and testify in support of one of his local government bills. And I said, yeah, I'd be happy to. And so I, I made the trip down and, and I'm walking from the parking lot to, uh, up to the Capitol and what a small world I run into somebody I, I knew, um, that, uh, that works for a, uh, state government agency. And we were chatting on our way and,