 and going and plowing forward. He's stubborn personally, stubborn politically. His friends say he's not going to give up the presidency, something he's had his eye on for so long. He's carrying on and he dismisses calls, whether it's the New York Times editorial board tonight or other Democrats for him to step away from the ticket. He's staying in. The only person who could maybe convince him otherwise, the first lady, Jill Biden. But she's with him, I'm told, tonight.