 a lieutenant colonel in the army i should say former he's retired uh 33 years in in the uh in the service and he kind of surprised us i thought we were about to be threatened again because we've been threatened twice in the time that we've been investigating this particular issue and we were of all places at bradshaw ranch and the man approached us there and he had night vision center around his neck he walked up there she said uh are you the two that found the tunnel