 Apathy really is a safe, non-vulnerable emotion for teens to be able to wear that as a mask. What might be causing the apathy might not necessarily be the only place where the apathy is showing up. So if they're disillusioned or very disappointed and hurt, you know, all of our disappointment comes from unmet expectations. Teen apathy, it's part of growing up, really. We experienced it as well. Just have to know how to deal with it as a dad.