 Well, when I did end up walking the face of Red Mountain, it took me a while to get out there. But when I got up there, just looking down and just realizing what a challenge that was, the thing that really got me was just to think, was this what Nina was going through every day and maybe didn't openly talk about it with everybody? It's a struggle. It's hard to get up that hill. And that's what I just think is such a tremendous impact that...