 nil isn't going to do much to stem the tide either it's always about perception that the grass is greener elsewhere and i must be good if someone tells me to go somewhere else and the love of being recruited and fawned over nil isn't pay for play and that's what some of these guys want or think they're getting so your response to i guess either what mark or travis said because i'm kind of i'm kind of on the fence i see mark's side of it but i also see travis's side of it