 But again, this is all set up with rules, and everything that's been set up has been set up outside of the Presidential Commission on Debates. So this is another one of those historic moments in the making, both from how early it's occurring and from the fact that it's just been agreed to by the campaigns and the network, and the Commission on Debates is out of it. So tonight, 7.30 is when our coverage starts. 8 o'clock, 8.01, I am told, is the exact start time.