 And he says, OK, but hold on. Like the U.S. is still going to win the war. Yes, that's true. The problem I think we make when we think about these things is we impose categories that don't really exist because there's a binary of whether you win the war or not. But the question is, does Japan develop in the same way if you swap out Kyoto for Hiroshima? I don't think so. Right. There's totally different people there.