 That does it for today's show. Upfront airs weekday mornings at 7 a.m. We post information about our topics and our guests online at kpfa.org. If you have feedback on our show, you can send us an email upfront at kpfa.org. Big thanks to everyone who makes the show happen. Our producer is Kimia Akbari. Our engineer, Kirsten Thomas. I'm your guest host, Ariel Boone, in for Brian Edwards-Teak, who will be back. Stay up and stay tuned. Law and Disorder will be coming your way at 8 a.m.