 also an author best-selling author gail walgren and you you mentioned him going on handy and doing a great interview he'll go on cnn or always other shows and he'll get a hostile anchor who will ask him tough questions and it will never rattle jd i've never seen a rattle he is going to push back and if the anchor pushes back on jd jd will then double down on what he knows is right to substantively answer the question in a likable way