 We don't know the rhythm of the oceans. We can measure all that stuff. But when you're out of time with it, there's no ceremony with it. There's no such thing as sustainability when you're in ceremony with the ocean, when you're in ceremony with Earth. All these words that keep us from really seeing the core. And I think that's why I keep interviewing you, Pax, because you understand the core essence of why we need to protect at least a little bit of land,