 Now let's get to our conversation with David Rubenstein, who is a co-founder of the private equity firm Carlyle, also a Bloomberg host. For more on his talk with Fed Chair Jay Powell. I am the chairman of the Economic Club of Washington. And in that capacity, I often interview government leaders and business leaders. And Jay Powell had been somebody I'd interviewed before. He had worked at my firm a number of years ago, well before he was at the Fed. And so we worked out a date that I would do this interview.