 in terms of engaging with people in these comprehensive plans, because it's great to have a vision, but if we don't have a plan to engage with people, how are we going to implement that vision? And that goes back to my experience with the Cascade Bike Club. Early, early days, there was lacking bike infrastructure in Seattle, so much so there wasn't even a bike map. It would have had like two lines on it maybe. And some of that resistance came from business owners who were like, we need parking because people drive here and we need their money.