 This was a pleasure. Thanks, Sasha. I've been speaking with Bart Elmore. He's professor of environmental history at Ohio State University. We've been speaking about country capitalism, how corporations from the American South remade our economy and our planet. You can find a link to that book at againstthegrain.org. And you've been listening to Against the Grain. I'm Sasha Lilly. Thanks so much for listening. And please tune in again next time.