 So what mooching is, is it's on lighter salmon rods with a lighter salmon rod reel, a mid-class reel. And you use anywhere from a 6, 10, or 12-ounce weight with a swivel chain, and then another 2-foot to 3-foot leader with a piece of herring and a hook with a trailer hook. And what you do is let that down all the way to the bottom or to the specific depth that the captain sees the fish on the binder.