 All right. Joe Bandon, we'll leave it there. Thank you so much. Thank you, Brian. Anytime. Joe Bandon is professor of Middle East history emeritus at Stanford University. That takes us to 731. The show is up front. My name is Brian Edwards-Teekert. Coming up in the second half of our program, we are going to switch to local politics and take a deep dive into the FBI's interest in the city of Oakland.