 from that traditional IRA to a Roth, but doing it in a manner that isn't going to just cost me dearly in taxes. Yeah, so for those who think taxes will be higher in the future, a Roth conversion can help protect both their heirs and themselves. So we, especially people that want to pass on an inheritance, and it's really important for them to pass that on to their children, you know, converting to a Roth is going to make a lot of sense.