 Um, she's a good interviewer because we've never told this story before. And I think it's just knowing how to show up the way that I tell my own stories with people in conversation. And you do the same. We're doing this now. It just helps people let their guard down and they realize it's okay. And then when they see the beauty of like connecting with someone else, it's like, oh, yeah, strong back, soft front. I can do that.