 But day after day after day, we talked about problems. We listened to other people's problems. It was our responsibility to carry that program on because we were elected as co-chair. And I just decided I was going to do what I could. And we worked together and we talked together. We talked about problems that we'd had in our kids. And really, during those 10 days, well, more than 10 days really, it became abundantly clear to me that Ann Atwater and myself