 Yeah, I was so shocked when I read your article about his position justifying violence against doctors who perform abortions. And it seemed at that time that that position kind of set him apart. Folks didn't want much to do with that kind of appeal to violence. Yeah, definitely. I spoke to someone who was involved in the anti-abortion movement back then who said, oh, yeah, Pastor Trella would have been considered radical. They would have kept him at arm's length.