 He was the current homicide judge. I interviewed her. I went in there, and I talked to her because I got a mentorship from the ABA. And I went in and talked to her, and she goes, absolutely, everybody knows, most homophobic, sexist, racist judge we've ever met. There's no doubt that people know that Mumia Abu-Jamal is innocent of this crime. It's the issue of finality. It's the issue of preservation of this system that has incarcerated individuals