 they will not be built quickly. And they will, of course, produce power that's even more expensive than large reactors. So I don't see small modular reactors as a solution to the economic challenges of nuclear power. M.V. Ramana is my guest. He's a professor at the School of Public Policy and Global Affairs at the University of British Columbia. We're discussing the arguments he makes in Nuclear is Not the Solution, The Folly of Atomic Power,