 And it's important to emphasize here that we are not trying to find a way to account for people's gender, but we do want to create theory and give us ways of thinking for people who want to tell stories about their own gender becomeings. Because in the consulting room, when people feel safe, they often, trans people, non-binary people, queer people, often become curious about how their experiences kind of like weigh into their lives, into their identities, into the textures of their lives.