 You don't want to look at how this capitalist system has created a problem with so many people being unhoused or has created a problem with so many people losing their mortgage or so many people, you know, not being able to have a job. It's like, y'all did this, but you don't want to look at it. So then you're going to take everybody and put them and lock them up, you know? Penderhughes believes that it's possible to support alternatives to our draconian prison system while also recognizing that people are complicated.