 You were actually there to mop up the airways with him, to be frank, since you brought facts and science and he brought lies and nonsense. And here's the important thing. What did he try to tell you at that time on that show, Desi Doran, about solar and wind energy? What did he call it? He said solar and wind energy are boutique energy sources that will never, ever grow enough to serve U.S. energy needs.