 to the international community. It's like very rare, and so there's a worldwide movement against it. So he became someone who they were talking about internationally. I heard about him, I was at KPFA Radio, Pacifica Station, and we were covering the Robert Alton Harris execution in 1992, which was when California was bringing back the death penalty, the first execution in 25 years. And so when we were covering that, I was looking, I was a news reporter there,