 So you asked about oaks. Oaks do that better than all other plants combined. They're supporting, in the mid-Atlantic states where I live, they support 557 species of caterpillars. And if you compare that to a tulip tree, for example, it's another good native plant. It only supports 21 species. So there's huge differences among our native plants. That's why we focus on those keystones, those really important ones.