 Not enough. And of course, this varies by industry, right? Different in finance and back in banking. But this is sort of more general. It's funny. I was talking to that CEO, Johnson Johnson, Joaquin Tuato. And I said, what are you looking for in a CFO? What's good about the CFO that you have? He said he's not a generalist. And I think that he kind of wants him to be engaged with certain aspects of the business. And if he's using that person as a sounding board, he wants that person to bring particular experience or expertise to bear.