 And in the end, they basically looked and said, for either of us to get those things, it's going to probably be four or five years from now before we reach that point. Except they're playing with people's lives. They're playing with major press freedom principles, things that we really, really live by. Kevin Gastola, it's always wonderful to have you on the program for your updates and your great reporting. And in this case, it was actually great to have you on to celebrate the freedom of Julian Assange. And I know of few...