 NATO has produced, particularly, not so much NATO, but the United States has produced Putin. Let's remember that after 1991, under Yeltsin, it was the United States government that intentionally pulverized the economy of Russia. They pulverized it. They went in there, all guns blazing, and destroyed the Russian economy and created huge amounts of poverty in Russia, thus creating the discontent, the anger, which allowed somebody like Putin to take over and become Putin.