 He was not trying to get out of a beef. He had already been convicted. He had already done his time. He was appearing before the federal grand jury voluntarily as a witness for the Justice Department. So he really, at that point, had no reason to make this stuff up, which convinced me that there was probably something to it. And we went on from there. And we eventually found out that he was one of the civilian directors of the FDN in California. He started the chapter in Los Angeles.