 So I was aware of them, but I had never really got involved, you know, where I knew that I was near Klansmen. What I was doing during the time that CP was in the Klan, I guess I was running around trying to make ends meet, you know, trying to figure out how to go from one day to the other. Do you remember the first time you met CP Ellis? Yes. We were in a meeting. The AFL-CIO had had a grant, and they were getting ready to integrate our school system