 If once you want to get an example of early botany and medicine folks, George Washington Carver was so smooth and smart. And I'll say, but also frail, because part of what allowed George Washington Carver to stay and become the botanist that he was, was that he was able to go out to talk to the trees and he would come back and be able to fix a tincture for massa and he would feel good. And they said, wait a minute, wait a minute, you making this stuff.