 term client yeah is not one you'd hear no you don't hear it from traditional business yeah so we work with you know we we are an academic institution but we have borrowed you know with pride from professional service firms and how they work with their clients to solve their problems so um i'll do a lot of that i still will teach a little um so i'll probably do about you know 15 20 sessions a year a session for us is sort of three four hours so it's it's not you know it's not a huge amount compared to my colleagues but but it is important to remain in touch do you see yourself