 In the mass media urging gay people to come out. No, not in the ads. That's what I'm talking about. You have been listening to a rare recording made by David Lample in his kitchen in Dallas, Texas in 1978. The voices on the tape are Harvey Milk, the slain politician from San Francisco, Howard Wallace, who has long been a peace activist, union organizer, and gay rights activist, and our guest Ray Hill. Here's more of the recent conversation between Ray Hill and From the Vault producer Christopher Sprinkle.