 And as a matter of fact, you drive up 405, all you see is Grady and Silver Street. And Grady has been decertified by the Office of Minority Women Business Enterprise and Department of Enterprise Services. It's absolutely amazing how a company could remain on the job after they've been decertified when they also, there were some questions about self-certification. So we're going to go to Bob Armstead, who is the president of the Washington State chapter of the National Association of Minority Contractors.