 bring in the big bucks and become a huge star. Sometimes it's that, I guess, but often it's something else. What about you, Tammy? What brought you into journalism in the first place? Esther and I actually had a previous life together kind of in community work in New York City. We did. At that time, we were working on some cases together. I was in a lawyering capacity and Esther was in an organizing capacity. And