 You know what I mean? So not only do people consider, most people consider Johnny Bench to be the greatest catcher of all time. He's one of the 10 greatest baseball players ever. Wow. Okay. I mean, here's my question for you. Just off the top of your head, can you name me another catcher that was a two-time MVP and a 10-time Gold Glove Award winner? So he did it on both fronts.