 It's two concepts. It's like our, and then that ili, or depending on the dialect, it could be he or that. It means our tail, right? So in other words, like the kid popping out of the back. Like we might say our shadow. Right, like our shadow, our tail. So that's what they were talking about in that reference. Or even the word kasika, you might have heard this term before, to mean a chief. Right.