 that when many of us were first introduced to Steve Bannon, when he started to have national appeal, he was at some conference. I'm going to remember it in a minute. But he said, what is the ultimate goal? And he said it was to gut all the bureaucrats out of government, get rid of that bureaucratic class, primarily because that's been the glue to hold things together. That's been the institutional framework. No matter who is in the administration,