 Have you had any conversations with the president or the White House staff since you announced your call for President Biden to step aside? Not since I announced it. Look, I waited 11 days until after the debate to make my public announcement. And I had quite a few conversations with people in the White House and on the campaign. I did not, I didn't want to blindside them. I wanted to have the conversation, wanted to see where they were coming from. I wanted to make the case to them. Look, in an ideal world,