 Whatever it is. But we now know from that headline in The New York Times that the conversation is getting real and it has to get real because the country and the future of the country are on the line. I want to thank our two fabulous guests, Bill Curry, an American lawyer and politician. He was a two time Democratic nominee for the governorship of Connecticut. And Robert Hockett, who's a professor of law at Cornell Law Faculty. And I want to just tell everyone we will schmooze tomorrow and there's going to be so much more to talk about on Tuesday.