 get some things off his chest, kind of see where they're at, and then along the way you'll have that moment where you can kind of slide in there and push some things at them. So that's what we're doing. I'll continue to do it. That's what I love about the job. I've talked about it since I got this opportunity here years ago is I like players. I like talking with players. I went through so much throughout my career as a player, and I've learned so much here in this position, like how to connect with guys. Give me an example of that. I'm curious.