 We're going to talk now about podcasts of a special interest to me as the host of one here at Bloomberg. Last year was a rough one. Maybe even before last year. There's been a rough stretch in podcasting. But there are green shoots and signs of a rebound. And that's something that Ashley Carman details in the latest issue of her Soundbite newsletter, which everyone with an interest in this world should read. And Ashley joins us now here in the studio in New York. Ashley, good to talk to you. Yeah, hi. Hi. Talk to me about the green shoots and what you see here. I guess we can revisit the bleakness first. Yeah, I was going to say. So this was like...