 And if you need to win with defense, they can do that. I mean, Anthony Davis proved that in the exhibition against Canada. He's a great rim protector, still one of the top in the world. Joel Embiid, when he's locked in, which I think he's working himself back into shape as they're going through this kind of training camp exhibition start. But he's an excellent rim protector. I mean, he's an anchor down there. And then you've got Drew Holiday, who I think is probably the best