 And see, the thing is, it's funny. I don't think he would have won more because he's right in that era of Koufax winning one and then Clemente grabs one. Of course, Cepeda, when Mace was older, gets one in 67 because they won it all. But here's the thing. People talk about the Giants, and as Dave and you know, there were no East and West divisions in terms of winning the NL back then to qualify for the World Series.