 when they're having the discussions, but that, again, it's all very hypothetical because the president himself hasn't come to a conclusion one way or the other. But we do know that over the last couple of days, some of his own conversations with other people, with allies and people who are calling him, they have become more reality-based, we're told, where he himself is confronting this question of, if I was to make this really consequential, really monumental decision,