 My honoring thanks to you, Keala, for being here. I appreciate your excellence. And this is, again, Teoksen Ghost Horse, and I'm interviewing Manuel Rosenthal. And we're conversing today about Abiyayala, which is South America, North America, and the question being, can indigenous peoples be both indigenous and capitalist? And as Manuel refers to the book, as we have always done, by Leanne Simpson, who is Ojibwe from Canada, who says no.