 twiddling of EQ and make some sort of different sounds for him so that when he came into the control and he heard what I had done to his sound, he went, oh, okay, all right. Now let me see, if you did that, I'm going to run back down and try something else. Wow. So there would be, we were up the ante each time and he would run down and go, oh, check this out, see if you can top what I just did. And then we would keep doing this back and forth and we'd be laughing at the end because we'd come up with something really new and exciting.