 The critical question is, how do you find clinicians? How can you tell from interviewing clinicians or looking into somebody's credentials that somebody thinks this way? Because, of course, no clinician, even if they think that, is going to say that to you in this way, because many of them don't even understand themselves to be doing something that is transphobic. Charles Sokaridis, who is like the most famous psychoanalyst, who penned some of the most homophobic practices for