 And this is some of the reasons why people are sort of stepping back, thinking that housing is going to come back down. But I'll go back to when we were on the show, Rebecca, back in 2013, 14, right? Talking about the San Francisco market, the Seattle market. At that point in time, there was a huge separation between the two. And Tom, you're probably aware that a lot of people kept on saying 13, 14, 14.