 I think what makes SICMAC really interesting is that it's one of the first or the first that we've seen in our reporting that has this pretty clear Christian nationalist vision for the long term as its goal. You know, the Koch brothers, you know, they're libertarian business industrialists, you know, the one that's alive, Charles Koch, and his late brother David was too. You know, they were more about regulations and size of government and things like that.