 Yes, exactly. We'll see. I mean, that's exactly what we're talking about, right? Margaret Brennan. Here, Margaret, you take $10 billion in debt, and Wolf, you take $32 billion in debt? Sure. That's what we're talking about. And there's $10 billion of EBITDA to support that, so it's about four times net debt to EBITDA. That's okay. It's not crushing. Agreed. But it's tough. They were at $52 billion in debt just a couple years ago, so they are paying it down. They've got $5 billion a year in free cash flow. There is stuff there to build on, but...