 They're very devious. They're very devious and very secretive. And it's that underhandedness and secrecy and their acts that I've always found particularly galling. Absolutely. Leave alone the other harm, the worst things they do. But ADL is not alone in that. Other pro-Israel actors, such as major donors to political campaigns, universities, I wouldn't say always, but often choose to operate in the shadows rather than the light of day.