 Uh, he and people like, you know, him and Howard Zinn and Ed Herman, uh, Scott and Lynn, who's another great friend of Pacifica, a great friend of yours. I know you've had him on and, um, you know, he lived in Ohio near where I live. So I got to know him. So, you know, this, that generation, just, I can't even put into words how important they were, you know, what they taught us. They gave us hope. And I mean, right now, especially, you know, things are bleaker than they've been. And probably in both of our lifetimes, I guess, you know, um,