 One thing I am curious, I feel like Donald Trump is somebody that we've seen a lot in the media. You think about The Apprentice. I think about when he used to go on David Letterman and he was fixing the ice skating rink here in New York City. There's just kind of a bigger than life kind of individual, larger than life individual. What was he like face to face? And we know we've seen him in sometimes debate or other, he's very combative. He's very going, talking to a crowd. What was he like face to face?