 Dave Zirin is the sports editor at The Nation and host of the Edge of Sports podcast. He's also author of numerous books about sports and their intersection with history, politics, and social justice, including What's My Name, Fool?, Sports and Resistance in the United States, and most recently, The Kaepernick Effect, Taking a Knee, Changing the World, which is out now from New Press. He joins us now by phone from Tacoma Park.