 Really important. And for those who may have just tuned in, Bert Cohen here. The show is Keeping Democracy Alive. We're talking about an important subject, I believe. Our guest today is Rachel Winkle Wagner, who's we're talking about her new book, The Chosen We, Black Women's Empowerment and Higher Education. She did a lot of research over a lot of time on this. And it's really it's something we don't look at all that often.