 as the other potential Democratic nominees that people brought up. He's doing at one point better than Kamala Harris, which is basically a tie. He's doing, I think, exactly the same as Gavin Newsom, which is a tie. I think he's doing a point better than Gretchen Whitmer. And this Marist poll that happened before, I think was 40, and this is without third-party candidates, by the way. When you add third-party candidates, he does a little bit worse. He loses a few points.