 And that when you form a union, you don't look whether it's a white union or a black union. You look at the fact that, oh, my God, they work in the same factory as me and they need wages, too. So thank you so much for doing this. The title of his piece was Populism Can Degrade Democracy But Is On The Rise. Here's what causes this political movement and how it can be weakened. Gabor Shearing is a professor of comparative politics at Georgetown University and a fellow at Harvard. Thank you so much. Thank you very much for having me.