 that if he looked like he was ducking Trump, that that might have caused problems. But I think that he said, listen, I'm not going to share the stage with that guy. He doesn't believe in democracy. He doesn't believe in a peaceful transition of power. He's not fit to be in the White House. He doesn't merit stage time with me. It would have been a morally defensible choice, and I suspect that people now wish they would have made that choice. But I appreciate the points that you made. We'll be right back with your phone calls.