 And this was a participant who was talking about, you know, when you graduate from Spelman College, she graduated from Spelman College in the 1980s. Her name was Nina. And she said, you know, you walk across the stage and they shake your hand and they give you your degree and they slap a titanium rod in your back when they hit you on the back. And that rod is giving you the strength to leave that historically black college environment.