 And all these things feed into the ways that we set up models that we sort of interact with our conceptions of social change and so on. And also the degree to which we have hubris that we can control things. And I think this is where the danger comes in, right? It's not that you shouldn't model. It's not that you shouldn't have abstractions of systems. It's that when you start to get hubristic about it and think you have top-down individualist control, you start to get overconfident in ways that you try to tame something that I think is untameable. And this is where we get shocks more often because you try to impose this sort of control