 He said, you have to get out there on the land. It was kind of like he was telling us, how can you sit here and talk about the land? You need to be on the land. He encouraged us to do that, which we did. And it was just so beautiful to be right there on the land, to experience it up close, to see its beauty, and to see that destruction of the placer mining that was going on right beside their hunting camps. It was...