 They went into gangs because they were forced, either physically by another gang member or because they needed money for their mother to pay rent to keep from getting evicted. I think for those kinds of people, the idea that you're just going to either shoot them or lock them in jail is not a productive way forward. I think that what we need to do for a lot of gang members is to give them something meaningful to do so that they can help live a life of freedom.