 you know, corporal punishment. He raised his kids to be free spirits. You know, he, there's a really great story about trying to convince his wife, Nellie, that it's okay if everything's not in order. And the story is that, you know, she kept, she was always trying to fix the pictures, you know, because they were crooked and she tried to straighten them. Everybody should straighten the pictures, straighten the mirrors. So one day he said, oh, just leave it alone. So he took a nail and hammer and,