 is if these allegations are true, just sort of the level of pressure that employees felt to participate in or help Hillary Frenz's political campaign. But also just the fact that they were willing to talk to a reporter, that this many of them were frustrated and giving the Seattle Times a call, picking up the phone. You just don't usually see that level or number of people willing to come out expressing frustration. And some of them on the record, there's even two pictures of a guy who spoke to Brunner on the record.