 There's a risk for and a risk of self-blame, maybe even a tendency, a risk of not learning, not improving ourselves, but self-flagellation, not training the movement, hurting the team's morale, and making people question whether they want to join a different team. Literally conduct that is contradictory to advancing the policy objectives in the first place. Those are some of the reasons I don't like the debate. We're going to have it, but I don't love it. This is the Tom Hartman Program.