 So one of the things that happened with Mumia that he was really buried for the first 10 or 11 years, like he had one or two articles, he had some things that he was doing, but when he went to prison, he was denied visits, he was denied phone calls, and he was isolated. That was for the first decade. Then he published an article in the Yale Law Journal after about eight or nine years, and he started to be reaching out to people and being able to reach some people and