 advocates and it included people who were gun control advocates and they were able to reach consensus and come up with an agenda they're trying to get past well i'll take a look at that um i go back to had you heard of the tennessee 11 i have not no i have not yeah well that that right there is a good data point why haven't you heard of tennessee 11 well you know you know what you have you know what you would have to google to hear about them what groups have made progress