 Note that in this interview, when she talks about Rika, we spoke four years ago, and this shows the extent and duration of the work she and so many others have done for Rika's passage and magnifies the heartbreak of its recent cavalier dismissal by House Speaker Mike Johnson, who refused to allow it onto the floor of the House for a vote. This interview with Tina for Nuclear Hot Seat took place on July 18, 2020.