 And this is another way to look at it, Brian. When you get beyond that, then you start talking about, okay, who? Gavin Newsom, right? Actually, he doesn't poll all that well against Trump. Whitmer from Michigan, she polls a little better, but not all that great either. And so at the end of the day, when you start talking about alternatives to Biden or Harris, you don't necessarily get to a point that looks all that much stronger.