 Who she was with. And she said, a voice of America. And he sort of sneered, as you explained in the book, and said, wow, amazing. Now, you didn't detail it in the book, but what did you make of that smear and his reaction to her? Well, he was talking with Patsy Widakuswara, who succeeded me as White House bureau chief, and she is a native of Indonesia. Mm-hmm.