 Esther, coming to you, I want to hear about Hellgate, another worker-owned co-op, and how it contrasts with the other places that you've worked, New Republic et al. Sure. Well, I just want to give a shout-out to Defector because they really were an inspiration when we got started at Hellgate two years ago. Them, news outlets like Back in Minnesota, really kind of showed a new way forward for what worker-owned, journalist-run news outlets could look like. So like you said...