 congregations. Is there an inherent tension between the mega church and the mega pastor and a lot of these congregations that you were researching? That's a really interesting question. So our study, we really believe in multi-method research. So it's a long-term community-based project focused in the city of Little Rock. So we've been looking both deeply and broadly in Little Rock for 12 years now. And we've been looking at all kinds of churches and congregations and