 Especially with these big deals. Joe Rogan's doing just fine. We don't know. That's great. So that happened. And then we also saw an ad market tightening just because of fears of a recession. So podcasting is an ad-based market. That didn't help things either. And then in a really wonky twist, basically the way podcast downloads were counted was changed by Apple Podcasts, which actually was very detrimental. Took the whole world in.