 to carry us around. And so Harvey grabbed me in the hall and said, look, I want you to support this march on Washington that I am planning for the 10th anniversary of Stonewall. And I said, well, I have some reservations about that. And he said, well, let's sit down and see if we can iron out your concerns. And so Dave Lamble was around. And I had known Dave from his radio days in commercial radio in Houston.