 In addition to that, it's actually quite difficult. As far as I know, basically, unless you also have to pay taxes, that is to say, this convert from the IRA before the tax to this Roth IRA, it will slowly turn like this year after year after year. Then, after many years, you may basically be able to enter this Roth. Roth is better, that is to say, you don't need to pay taxes when you take it out.