 Or now, certainly indirectly with climate change. But, I mean, there's microplastics everywhere. There's pesticides everywhere. So true wilderness, the absence of humans and their effect, doesn't really exist. But that doesn't mean we can't have wildness. We can't have nature operating pretty much unimpeded. And I think that's what a lot of people look for when they talk about wilderness. I wonder if you could tell us about the way that