 So now the way deals are structured have changed a little bit. But these big podcasters who have existed for years are finding new homes. And it seems like they still believe they can get some pretty sizable numbers. So I've reported on the Kelsey brothers, the football players and their podcast, as well as Alex Cooper, who's a host of Call Her Daddy. That's another really popular show. Both of them have been shopping around for, I believe, nine figure deals.