 I'm Sasha Lilly, and this is Against the Grain on Pacifica Radio. We're airing a conversation recorded in 2017 with labor legend Jane McAlevey, who died this week. So you spoke a moment ago about the need to rebuild power in the working class, and you've been talking about the central role in understanding power, how power is exercised, where it resides for them as well as us, and I will ask you about that in a moment.