 and, and I don't know, they're, they're just sort of one of those things that, that I think stands out in our daily lives as just sort of a, a crazy way to use these very valuable resources, right? We, we go to the grocery store and bring back, you know, 10 or 12 of these plastic bags that then never get used again. So a lot of the efforts in that interim period were, you know, a,