 And there are plenty of people who consider themselves independent voters that came up and boosted turnout for Barack Obama and then even for Joe Biden in 2020. So the history in presidential politics has been if you win independent voters, you have a very good chance of winning an election. It isn't necessarily the case, though, that where independents go is where the country goes. Certainly, there are a lot of voters there, and some of them are kind of tuned out of politics entirely. Some are thinking about third party candidates very seriously this election cycle. But some are winnable. Some are gettable.