 of a person there showing you, you know, what's kind of good and what's kind of cool and turning on to things, you know, the way that you'd hear about bands in the old days, you know, before MTV, you know. Somebody would say, hey, you got to check out this band and you go and you buy a 45. Okay, so that's, you know, word of mouth kind of stuff. And so that's the way that I kind of went into Ubu. But it's a very strange thing. People say to me, like,