 unnecessary, unjustified invasion. But still, I mean, what Ken was talking about was the Russian perspective. That doesn't mean we accept that perspective. It does not mean at all we accept that perspective, but we need to understand it if we're going to deal effectively. It's more than just a madman. Right. No, I think that's perfectly true. And if, I would just say, Putin is a madman, then we're in trouble. We're in trouble because there's nothing holding him back from using nuclear weapons if he is a madman.