 Even with the gatekeepers, you know, I would sometimes enter into an interview and this woman, she called herself Patrice in the book. I met with her in Atlanta and she knew that she was going to be meeting with a white woman because the person who had connected us had said, you know, Rochelle is going to be a white woman. And I always also sent an email or a text message or something to say, you know, by the way, I'm a white woman, you know, just so that I wasn't surprising people. Right.