 No wonder that most of the southeast is either kudzu or bush honeysuckle. So we're talking about deer that are many times over the carrying capacity of their local environment. We have about 144 deer per square mile where I live, and it should be about 14. So if you look at the understory of our, quote, natural areas, there's no understory. We've got canopy trees and nothing to the ground because they've eaten it all.