 or to try to pattern your game after. He used to say about the All-Star game that when he would go to the All-Star game, the American League players, they wouldn't even associate with someone sometimes or even speak to one another in the dugout. But in the National League, when you would see the African-American players, it was like a party to them. They were all friendly. And I remember I was a young boy watching the All-Star game, and Willie Mays set a precedent. He came out of the dugout.