 read the books of people, I have to read the books and mark them fully, or musicians, or composers, or whoever, or anthropologists. And we do some documentaries on occasion. Oh, while with Mahalia, I knew Martin Luther King, he came to visit her, and at her bedside she was, Ellen did a long interview with him, and did the, a train called This Train, the March on Washington, and we did it on a train in Chicago.