 It was really cool. As Ross was saying, I had never made a film before. I just had this idea. This would be a cool thing to try to do a movie and a book at the same time. It turns out I bit off more than I could chew. And look, I mean, Ross has won an Academy Award. It was amazing to have him come on. And so he came on with fresh eyes. I spent years reporting on these subjects. You start to lose a little bit of perspective of what the wider world knows, what they don't know, what's going to appeal. And so