 or in late 2007, I think it was. On this program, we had the chairman, or maybe it was the vice chairman, one of the top two people in the California Democratic Party on this program, who was a black man. And he said, oh, you know, Obama should not be the nominee because we will lose because Americans, you know, there's still a lot of racism in America, and they will not vote for a black man. So here you had, you know, a black guy who ran the Democratic Party in California saying, no, no to Obama, he will lose.