 And you're listening to Locus Focus on KBOO Community Radio in Portland, Oregon, Seattle stations KBFG-LPF and KODX-LPFM, KMUN and KCBB in Astoria, Oregon, KCEI in Taos, New Mexico, Radio from Moscow in Idaho, and Radio Tacoma. And today we're talking with Bob Salinger, Willamette Riverkeeper's new executive director, about Willamette Riverkeeper's big vision for the Willamette River. When you talk about the seawall in downtown Portland, I'm thinking this is one of the conundrums that we face in urban areas that have rivers flowing through them.