 spending it on and how are they doing that collectively that really is sort of the unknown questions um that they're not really yet willing to discuss at these meetings okay rosalyn matheson our emea news director thank you very much for bringing us up to date on that story questions over defense spending and whether budgets will allow for that increase to happen as well very much in focus there ros thank you up next on the program we'll bring you our interview with howard mark smoke tree capital management stay with us for that this is bloomberg