 When you get to that place, you would as much, for example, kill another living being, including insects, as you would kill yourself, or I would kill you, Carol. And if I can just give you an example, I was backpacking in the Grand Canyon many years ago, and I was at Cottonwood Camp right at the bottom of the Grand Canyon, deep in the wilderness, but they happened to have a working urinal in there, and in the morning...