 when I was visiting down in Durham doing research, CP and I would drive around Durham for a few hours each day. And just CP would fill me in on the story of his life. And he'd point out, oh, yeah, there's the bank. And then he pointed to the most prestigious bank in Durham. He said, there's the bank that gave us the loan to build the Claverne Hall. And then he'd say, here's the police station where they'd call me from when blacks would take out a permit for a demonstration for all the marches in Durham during that period.