 perceived by himself and by many other Russians as a threat to their security. If you dismiss that, then you say, well, the West is not at all responsible for what's the terrible situation that has occurred in Ukraine. That's not to excuse Putin's war. But the point is that the origins of that war, I think, have something to do with American and NATO actions before. But if you say that Putin is just saying that and he just wants an enemy, it's like Stalin just wanted an enemy, then that allows the