 kind of charge-ahead mentality of the scientists and engineers that I talked to was very concerning. About 20 years later, I got to float the Hanford Reach with somebody from Fish and Wildlife. And this was a project I was working on about the Columbia River and salmon issues. And one of the times I was down during that project, I had to take a little class at the Department of Energy to be prepared to be on Hanford and get a dosimeter, which we don't have to do when we go on the Hanford journey.