 They never had a real mass movement in either of those periods. I lived through the McCarthy period. I guess Harvey did, too. There was never that kind of activism. There was never that kind of activism. I was political then in high school. And now with religious fundamentalism, they're able to attract sectors of the population into a mass movement for the first time, and that's really what distinguishes fascism. It's not a right-wing. Every right-wing dictatorship is not fascist.