 And today we're talking with Bob Salinger, Willamette Riverkeeper's new executive director, about Willamette Riverkeeper's big vision for the Willamette River. So now let's go upriver from Willamette Falls. And for one thing, as I was thinking about talking about this, my image of that river, of course, is it's much more natural. It's got many more wild areas around it, and it's not as polluted as Portland.