 and the U.S., because Donald Trump, of course, has been quite critical of NATO over the years, either its role in spending, that European nations are not doing enough to carry the can for their defense spending, that they're not contributing enough to NATO. He's got questions about that. He's indicated he won't support individual members of NATO if he doesn't think they're carrying enough of the weight financially. So that really degrades the whole idea of collective defense.