 Some of that comes from fear. It comes from fear of sheep stealing, fear that if you collaborate with another congregation that they might think, oh, well, this is kind of a nice congregation. Maybe I'll start attending over there and that you'll lose members. There's a desire to have your congregation's name on a project. And so you don't want to collaborate because you want this to be your food pantry, not one that you work on with someone else. And so...