 One clear challenge that congregations, and I know your research team and what you were studying was a large number of congregations, but there's been a centralization of a lot of these congregations, especially I know you're in Arkansas. So I think it's true probably nationally, but certainly in your region of the country where you get these larger and larger megachurches, these really large congregations, that's got to be having an impact on a number of the moderate, medium-sized, maybe a little bit smaller congregations.