 And it is the kind of idea that the founders were working with prior to the advent in the 19th century of Marxism. So it's only since the rise of Marxism in the period of the Cold War that we've thought that liberty and equality stand in tension or opposition to each other. And I do think that that belief in an opposition between these two concepts is hindering our ability to see solutions. So I would really encourage everybody to spend some time reflecting on the ways in which equality and liberty mutually reinforce each other. And let's see if we can get back to that.