 And sort of thinking about the term broadly, but how did you learn about this thing we call race? Was it in school? Was it out of school? Was it formal? Was it informal? Yeah. Thank you so much for having me here. I absolutely love this podcast and the spirit of it entering with curiosity and I would say also empathy. And Arnie, I love that you're dedicating this to your granddaughter because I wrote this new book to my own daughter and as a mother, because becoming a mother was,