 take from, rather than you work with, that you're part of, the ecological framework. Go ahead. No, I'm sorry. You finished your thought. I didn't mean to interrupt. Well, when I was in college, Gregory Bateson is one of the big people we read in college. He wrote a book called Steps to an Ecology of Mind. He was one of the early ecologists and things. He said our viewpoint of the world was an epistemological pathology.