 His father ultimately lost all 14 office buildings. And my friend at this point, who was, you know, in his late 20s, was quite an esteemed philosopher. He was hanging out with some of the most brilliant people in the world. Saul Kripke, for example, along with John Stuart Miller, considered maybe the two greatest philosophers of the 20th century. And Saul Kripke was a good friend of Ralph's. And they used to talk about...