 over 15 people in a room. But like, I feel like 10 is the zone where you can still have kind of like close, intimate, you know, conversations where you can like build trust. You can spend some time, get around to see everyone, get a little bit of everybody's, you know, contribution. And then, but it's not like so small that it's like you and one other person and you're on a very awkward blind date or something.