 not necessarily programmed atrocities, but they just happen, you know. There'll be acts of resistance. There'll be repression of resistance. And in that context, there tends to be population flight. I mean, you can, you know, you can take apart all the details, and they're different from... Sometimes it's outright expulsion. Sometimes it's people fleeing in fear, you know. Sometimes they're fleeing because they think maybe they'll be able to get back and do even better, all sorts of reasons. But in both 1948 and 49 and in...