 That does it for today's show. Upfront airs weekday mornings at 7 a.m. We post information about our topics and guests at kpfa.org. Get in touch by emailing upfront at kpfa.org. A big thanks to our producer, Kimya Akwari. Our engineer on Fridays is Rod Akil. My name is Brian Edwards-Teekert. Thanks as well to Mitch Jezerich and Christina Anistad. Stay up and stay tuned. A Rude Awakening with Sabrina Jacobs is coming your way in just over two minutes at 8 a.m.