 right? And it's all about the future. So what can we do now in this present moment to uplift in an intergenerational way a more hopeful future? And so I think that's, I was really grasping for hope. I need to thank both Jonathan Feingold and Oyan Poon for this amazing conversation. We're up to episode 30 of Race Class. We've been talking with Oyan Poon, who wrote the book Asian American,