 Max Felker Cantor is my guest. He's a historian, and we're discussing Dare to Say No, Policing and the War on Drugs in Schools. I'm Sasha Lilly. This is Against the Grain on Pacifica Radio. You can find a link to that book at againstthegrain.org. So how effective was DARE at its stated goal, that is, to keep children from abusing drugs, and how soon was that apparent?