 i've been saying this for a while now is that biden appears to think that he can out trump trump on immigration and he can't i don't i'm not even talking morally right now i think you know i have some differences of opinions with people on this very panel about immigration i am radically pro-immigration but let's forget that for a second let's just talk completely politics you cannot be the most anti-immigration candidate on that stage if trump is standing on that stage if you're a democrat i