 We've been talking with Owen Gaffney. He's a science communicator for the Future Earth Project at futureearth.org. Owen also directs media and strategy for the Stockholm Resilience Centre. All the while, he makes his own contribution to science through articles like this one, titled The Anthropocene Equation. Find links to all this in my weekly show blog at ecoshock.org. Owen Gaffney, thank you so much for your explanations. It really helps. Thank you very much. It's been a pleasure.