 And this is alarming. We don't have enough information on exactly what will cause these kind of state changes, but we are taking risks as we wander into the unknown. Well, I've used up quite a bit of your time. I hope you have just a couple more minutes. I want to ask you, as we finish off, about your views on the pivotal role of Hans-Joachim Schellenhuber, or John as he's known in the U.K. Where does he stand in this exploration?