 The mainstream discourse of DSA, I'm talking about the public discourse, people say, members say different things privately, don't really talk much about the ownership of the means of production or the reorganization of work in any fundamental way. Why not? What's happening? It's probably an overdetermined process. There's fear. I don't mean literally they're afraid, but they're afraid implicitly. In 1945, you could talk about socialism and you could talk about a lot of things you can't talk about now.