 As high school students, I mean, Ralph was strange. There's no question about it. I mean, I was a literary person. I loved to read books. But at the same time, I was hooked on sports. And my other best friend was a championship basketball player, one of the best players in the city. And I followed sports. I watched sports. And Ralph was weird. I mean, he didn't understand sports. He didn't understand business. My father was a salesman, and I really loved business.