 And you're listening on Vermont Public. Another reminder, NPR providing live special coverage of the first 2024 presidential debate tomorrow night starts at nine. Watch it on Vermont Public's main TV channel. Listen here on the radio or stream it at vermontpublic.org. And then also analysis of the debate with The Middle live at 11 o'clock tomorrow on the radio. Host Jeremy Hobson offering a recap of the debate, some context and analysis and taking your calls, too.