 And so that's what policy is about. It's about trade-offs. If it were just an easy solution where we can fix all of the problem with no trade-offs, that's not what we're doing in this country. Every decision you make is a trade-off of time, of money, of this bad thing, but also this bad thing. So we have to decide which one is worse or which one is better. And I think that's the point of this podcast, I guess, a little bit, is to actually honestly discuss the trade-offs instead of pretending that there's no trade-offs in public policy.