 And so you have to somehow bring the two together. You have to recognize the pattern. You have to work with theories. But you also have to understand the stories behind it. And to fuse the two of that, I think that's the task. That's the challenge. My guest then, Peter Neumann, Kadri Leak. Plenty more to come from them throughout the program. We're going to go to Germany as our first talking point because the annual conference by the far-right AFD, or Alternative for Deutschland, is taking place this weekend. Weeks