 Through Conyers, Ray had a connection to power and was determined to make the most of it. He would go to his office or knowing that he might be at a certain meeting, he would show up there. And so much so that I'm sure when they saw my dad coming, they're like turning and trying to get away from him. Of course, he would kind of put my dad off. Oh, yes, it's a good idea and whatever. But he never, never did anything about it.