 And that sounds stereotypical. You think of New England and witchcraft, but it really wasn't. I grew up in the woods of New Hampshire, and one of my really dear friends and I both got involved in about 1979 to 1980. So that would have put me at about 15 years old. And I just became really into it, and I just wanted to know. I wanted more knowledge, as much as I could get. And, of course, this is pre-Internet,