 But even when we were doing Snowden, with the Guardians backing behind us, the legal briefings on the Espionage Act were terrifying. And we were told, essentially, what is protecting you is the US government not choosing to pursue you. Because if they pursue you, they will almost certainly get the conviction. And that's why the use against Assange is so scary. This is The Media Show with me, Katie Razzell. Thank you for joining us on the BBC World Service.