 And on the response parts, well, the call is usually improvised, and that's a sonero. So that was with Choco Olta. And this recording has a little bit of a Vermont connection in it. Noel Quintana is a good buddy of mine from Pittsburgh. He had me put the horns down. So on this recording, it's got Tim Sessions, who's living here in Vermont, on trombones. Brian McCarthy on baritone saxophone.