 Only obscure black media were willing to give Ray time, and even that was rare. Here he is in an interview with Detroit Black Journal in 1990. So this is something that's very, very personal to you. Very personal. Ray was more than 20 years older and still going. My grandfather was a slave in Mississippi. His daughter is right here right now, 89 years old, and she's quite concerned about the four-acre mule that the black people did not receive.