 early on when I was younger doing this stencil art on the grip tape, you know, there's always like graphics of like the newest pro, like, oh yeah, like he has a, you know, cool image on the, underneath his skateboard. So I was like, I'm going to do something on the top of it. You know, it was fun for me, you know, I like to keep my hands busy and, um, you know, it just, it honestly just stemmed from there. I was in that for a while.