 Here's one thing that I think people don't get is that, because St. Paul said we're not battling against, we're battling as like principalities and that sort of thing. But the thing is, is that Satan works through people just like God works through people. And so we really are battling flesh and blood. It's a misinterpretation of Ephesians 6, 12. And you see it in other places in his teachings. Like in Romans, I think it's chapter 6 or 8. I was just reading it this past week.