 Well, there was a sweet mate of mine at Virginia Wesleyan College that had a painting company and was looking for some work. And he said, hey, why don't you come try to paint for me? All right. But I was terrible at it, actually. What were you painting to start with? We were doing exterior homes. Okay. Up in, actually, Richmond, Virginia is where he lived. He was about 10 years old. He came back to get his degree there.