 you know view themselves like like i was saying he viewed himself as a hillbilly proudly but as a redneck no absolutely not you know people in pittsburgh didn't really necessarily consider themselves midwesterners but people in ohio do but bottom line you know you can say well trump's always had these people what does he need these people for now but they're you know i think you you have a lot of poverty in the inner cities and the inner cities have traditionally gone