 And, you know, we developed a feel for him and a fondness for him. And to his credit, you know, he really never ducked any questions that he may not be a guy who's the most introspective or a guy, you know, he's a guy who knows the story that he wants to tell and he tells it. But, you know, there's something kind of, it's not just there's something winning, but I kind of came to the view that,