 Yeah, we were at a bar, we would hang out, and we didn't talk politics, funny enough, back then. And then we discovered in the years later that, hey, he and I were kind of among the lone wolves. And you also knew his wife, Usha, as well? Very well. She was our classmate. My wife, Apoorva, lived in the same college that she did a few years ahead. Our kids were about the same age. His son is named Vivek, by the way. People think that's a joke. No, it's actually one of J.D.'s sons is named Vivek.