 The best answer is roundup to kill the lawn off in August and then come back and seed in September. That's still not going to be a permanent control. Two, three years down the road, you're going to see some of that Bermuda creep back in. Again, this goes back to how frequently do you want to manage it? How much do you want to put into it? Exactly what do you want it to look like when, kind of like we were talking about earlier in the show,