 Well, you know, we're never going to go back to zero interest rates again. That's not going to happen. But, you know, housing is unaffordable at 7% and 8% mortgage rates. Where's the sweet spot, Katrina? Where's the number that will reinvigorate home buying? I think it's around the 6%, Mark, because right now so many people are locked into 3%, 4% interest rates, and there's no incentive for them to sell, right? So...