 debater, some of you figure out why there's a pregnant pause there, say it quick, you'll see what I mean. I will never say it quick. Like I said, he's really good on television with these liberal hosts, he understands the position of the conservative movement, and he's written, literally written a book about the plight of middle class America and the hollowing out of our culture in middle class America, called Hillbilly Elegy, which even liberals read and liked.