 uh... surging mcconnelly has a cunning and his father jolly mcconnelly they were based in north and south waziristan uh... you know they did the joke which i'm not even sure is a joke is when they're on the pakistani side of the border their pakistani taliban when they're on the afghan side of the border their their afghan taliban so there's this always was this intermixing u.s and intelligence officials that i speak with always understood this the u.s government