 So people learn how to disagree. They get informed. And then they maybe switch sides at halftime in the debate. And then they learn something about the other side. And maybe even they develop a degree of empathy. And it's harder to be as hostile to the other side if you understand a little bit more about what's motivating it. President Emeritus at the Council on Foreign Relations, Richard Haass, thank you so much for joining us. Thanks so much for having me.