 well you gotta tell you doctor i mean i'm i'm a protestant christian but when i took my first trip to israel uh... more than twenty years ago is right after the nine eleven attacks a few months later and i was sponsored by a group that wanted me to see what was going on on the ground and we talked to you know we talked palestinians we talked to activists we talked to jewish people we talked to settlers we thought it which has a different meaning better than it does in say america's old west