 Roth conversions and they have some stock they need to sell. There's all this tax, big tax bills coming up. And this year it's big too. And, you know, I kind of explained that, you know, cause they're, they're very much charitable givers. They give a lot of weight to the church and nonprofits that they really care about. And I explained it more in detail. Cause we talked about it at the workshop. It was just very high level. And I'm like, Oh, it's like a wash. I get it.