 i think john you can probably as well you got a phd in higher education you comment on this but i can but my practical experience tells me that an mba of all the graduate degrees probably has the best are a lot some of the studies that i saw i saw back in the day and i don't know how new they are said if you get into an mba program go because it can help but a lot of those things have circled out and said if you're working while you're in an mba program