 there's some real vulnerability there. And I know there was a tete-a-tete today, ostensibly between Hunter and Kamala over lunch. And if Joe was to pardon Hunter tomorrow, A, there's no way he can stay the candidate. And B, I think that optic is so bad, it takes the election no matter who it is. Even if it's Michelle, I think it looks so bad that you've handed the seat to Trump. So I think there's a lot of things blowing through this. And I know one of the things Hunter is concerned about