 And in this case, it's really crippling their pricing power, so they're not making money. So with Frontier and Spirit continuing to discount fares, does that mean that Delta has become a low fare carrier? Yes, absolutely. That's exactly right. In all of them, I looked at some data recently. If you look in the month of July, the number of seats that are in the air, American Airlines is 8% larger in U.S. domestic markets