 This is the guy who said people should be jailed. I think it was in 2009, but so what? He hasn't changed his position. At least he hasn't made a statement that, oh, well, I was more ideologically insane in those days and I said such a stupid thing. Because these people who are making these declarations, they know nothing of climatology. They know nothing of science. They know nothing generally. They know politics, that's all. What's politics? Getting your way. That's the long and the short of it. Getting your way.