 chances are yes that there will be some hint i mean that you know we're always parsing words syllables one tenths of one percent etc but there will be a hint that in fact september is when we can look forward to the decline in rates beginning and there will be then a lot of speculation about how fast does that happen is it going to be in november and december cuts or will it be every other month and so forth and so on but the trend is the important thing uh and again