 There are mothers in Central America, Carrie, whose children were kidnapped and issued as part of a cartel operation. They're gone forever. And many times, in some instances in the past, it was proven that they were also put up for adoption through adoption agencies. And that was a problem. There's so much corruption in these failed states. And she made a visit there, by the way. She wanted to get into root causes, Carrie. She went once.