 In today's America. And I was like, you know, I don't understand how we went from being so regressive and race relations. And he was like, well, honestly, you can track the data. And he was just it was a fascinating interview. I encourage you to check it out on my podcast, The Carl Jackson Show. But he talked about even when it came to, you know, the work ethic and how that sets us apart, how blacks even work.