 And he says Mike Pence is the real thing. Not somebody pretending to embrace a religious philosophy, but somebody who actually does. And I think we can all agree on that. He's a man of conviction. Is he not? Okay. Get a load of this. Former Vice President Pence, and that is one thing. If you wanted to say something against the President, and if you're a Trump supporter, this guy knows him better than you do, right? And what does he think?