 When somebody sees, hey, you're going to save literally hundreds of thousands of dollars, maybe millions of dollars in taxes, then you can afford to pay more to me as a lawyer. So a lot of times they'll charge $20,000, $30,000, $40,000, $50,000 to set it up when they don't really need to. And then you have a trustee fee, which is usually 1% of the asset. So if you have a couple million dollars in there, that trustee fee is the one they'll lower all the time. So they're usually...