 Yeah, yeah, and I think that's where a lot of the controversy from this these posts came from because they did get a huge response some of it being very critical of this position and I think you know a lot of it was kind of what you would consider to be intuitive exceptions to this rule like obviously You know your kids teacher or your doctor like you're going to want them to be there when you expect them to write But I think you know this was more of the perception of you know if you're at a tech consulting firm with a lot of employees like one of these managers is and