 um and how the delegates will matter in the convention but if it's after the convention they don't matter anymore at all and then it goes to dnc uh members uh it's pretty insane and i got all the legal aspects of it for you so if you miss that download the ben ferguson podcast that will all be in there tomorrow all right let me get to your phone calls i want to go back to my question originally that i asked you uh in the last hour and that question is this do you believe that joe biden