 By the time they were done, they were done. And when he picked Hillary Clinton over Joe Biden as somebody to endorse to take on Trump eventually, that also alienated the two. So when Biden decides to run, he ends up winning. I never thought that Obama was going to be an insider. He's going to help Joe because it helps the Democratic Party. But I don't think he likes Joe. Now, Michelle Obama has privately expressed, according to Axios, frustration over the Biden family largely exiling Trump.