 for a hundred dollars a share and pay a hundred in a fee and then hope it goes up to more than what i paid with the fee and when i sell it it's got to go up to more than i pay with the fee plus room for the fee when i sell it so to me that's like being upside down on the house i bought it for a hundred but i paid a fee if i sell the same day all i did was lose money i have to buy something for 60 cents in the dollar that i know i could sell for 100 cents in the dollar to me that's real that's investing