 She said, this is the ultimate conversion therapy. You take a little boy who's effeminate and maybe wearing his sister's tutus, playing with her Barbie. You say, maybe God put you in the wrong body. You're really a girl. So the thing is that then next thing you know, they're lopping off his body parts. They're implanting boobs. They've got an open wound there between his legs. They're telling him he's a girl.