 If so, we're in trouble. I have not felt this disheartened about our government since I came back from the NOM in 72. The caliber of our politicians today are the lowest I've seen. Seth says, I think most have said it was awful watching the debate and thinking, damn, this is what we have to choose from? Biden looked and sounded awful. Trump wasn't much better. To make it worse, they go at each other over their golf handicap?