 And tell a quick story. I sat down with him. I said, Trent, it was just me and him in the office late for, I don't know what we're doing. I wasn't even the coordinator at the time. But I just sat down and, hey, talk to me about protections because we are, you know, pressure package and all this. And he just sat down and it was just, he talked football. And I'm not for sure there's not a better way