 Um, well, you know, you go to school, you go to high school and then you decide, okay, what are we doing here? And back in the eighties and the late eighties, um, you know, college was a thing, but it wasn't being pushed on everyone. And I had a stepfather who thought maybe I'd be good in the trades. And I started, uh, working for a management company that was responsible for several hundred apartment complexes. And they put me on a carpentry team and I was basically, you know, pretty