 And then the admin avoider is someone who's not doing it, but feels bad, either guilty towards whoever is doing it or embarrassed. Even I heard the word shame, big words like shame from some of my interviewees who are avoiders over the stuff that's falling apart around this. And the denier is not doing it, but feeling pretty good because the denier's luckily been somebody who's been able to have somebody else do it for them kind of seamlessly and invisibly.