 Since the 80s, probably the Lakers have won more championships, two to three times more championships than the Celtics since the 80s. Who's got more O'Brien trophies in their... Again, I'm talking about since the 80s. This was before. If you want to go way back into the 60s, into the 50s, yeah, they got one more. I'm just saying, who's got more championships? We've had 32 final appearances. They've had 17. Okay. Okay.