 And Van Jones could have dismissed him, he could have made fun of him, but he sat there and he talked to the guy for like a half an hour. Van Jones is a smart guy and he's reasonable. He seems like a very pleasant, humble guy. If you're halfway intelligent, you know that this president's been a mess for a long time. Well, that's true. He should know that. We've all seen that. And even CNN anchors have got to watch other news besides their own occasionally. But to hear Joe Scarborough saying, this is the best Biden ever, this is what we're seeing, that was a shame last night.