 But in other words, Steve Kerr stepped in and did pretty good on his coaching. Yes, yes. Anthony, Steve Kerr did step in, but two-fold with that. One, he played for Phil Jackson. Greg Popovich was a five-time champion as a player, hit one of the biggest shots in Finals history, and was a four-year general manager with the Phoenix Suns, so understands that scope of being a basketball head. So he had that advantage. Totally understood.