 forward thinking tax accountants. They're like history teachers. They look at the past and say, here's what you did last year and year before. We'll do that again this year. They're not looking forward to saving you tax money. So they're not really Roth conversion gurus or the people that you need. And a lot of advisors don't get into that either. So they're not really showing you how to save money on taxes. One of the things that we do and the reason we're doing this show today is we