 the lies are so deep and the culture that the way they push this stuff is so, it makes it just seem like it's so normal. So therefore it's all fine, but it's not, it's so, again, I said the word diabolical and I still will say it's diabolical. Um, so for her, it was just, I think trying to find a group that she could connect with and she got onto, um, uh, discord, uh,