 i'm just going to say this in my case it probably would apply if budget doesn't allow to hire somebody to come out and do it or if you can't find somebody you might use a product called tree tangle foot it's not going to hurt the birds it's annoying to them it's very it's gooey it's messy but you know i don't want you going up on a ladder and it may be that these birds are or this bird is up high enough you'd have to do that and i don't think you should do that