 They almost need a therapist first. They need you to listen. They need somebody to vent to. They need to know that you're not there because you're selfish, that you do have the experience to help. There was an elderly lady. Her name was Kathleen and she had to be 80 something. She was 80 something. This is during COVID. She really couldn't risk being around anybody. So I understood that she was probably lonely. I was like, this lady has to be bored.