 personal level, like Gordon came to my 70th birthday party, you know, that sort of thing. And so you kept in touch over the years, certainly. Yes, but loosely, you know, because we were all working. And so you didn't get to see each other that often. I might not see Gordon for a year, and then I might run into him on the street and we'd have a long conversation. What do you think he should be remembered for more than anything else? How do you sum up such a life, right?