 And then does your team typically charge just an hourly rate for consulting services or is it a project fee that's a flat fee that's discussed? How do you bill business owners? Options are important, in my opinion. I prefer, if we can, a flat fee structure. So here's what we're doing when we're doing it, what the deliverable looks like and the fees that it will cost to get that done. In situations where there's a lot of gray, we do at times take a T&M approach to it or a guaranteed max or not to exceed fee structure. So there is