 Anne-Marie and Helena met on a blind date in Amsterdam in 1998. We were both very reluctant, I think, to go on that blind date. Well, after some pushing of the friends, we decided to go ahead with it. And I think, well, immediately I was struck by Anne-Marie's eyes. I liked that she was quite forthcoming and that she, yeah, just a person who she is. So what was it like to live openly as a gay couple in those days?