 But God rest her soul, whenever I talked to Sue later on in my life, I had to thank her. Thank you for making me do talk radio for no raise at all because it became exactly what I love doing the most. And I've always told people this. If you want an example of somebody who hated something and thought they'd never like it, I never wanted to do talk radio. So the first 10 years especially, I was always thinking about it. He was one of the people that helped me