 And then he kind of gave me a smile and he walked away. And I thought, gosh, I mean, and now somebody else theorized that he's sort of a pragmatist and just not a fatalist. But maybe he was saying, hey, the pendulum can swing both ways. We can get some momentum. Then there's some stumbles. Look, we just have to have our eyes wide open. Only God knows how this is going to play out. It's in his hands.