 um through the years because she's been on the scene for quite some time now right uh but anyway that's it's an interesting point so as we're having our conversation last segment about kamala is brat and the rest of it and if you missed it grab it by podcast armstrong you're getting on demand i cringe when you say that maybe we should have katie say kamala is brat we need someone younger saying that you and i shouldn't say those words you say it katie