 uh... phd uh... at emory after cosmic voyage was published would they have blown you out of there like a bad dream well that possibly could have happened but you know uh... to give a good story about this john mack yes tenured uh... professor of psychiatry at harvard pulitzer prize-winning author uh... founder of the department of psychiatry and harvard medical school when he came out uh... couple years back you have to go actually about two years back with uh...