 for us was that when i got that new job we continued to live off of the original salaries that we were making but that extra money all went to debt and i tell you it really got that snowball going really fast for us yeah live on less than you make avoid lifestyle creep that's what they call it you get a raise and you just spend it you don't know where it went but you guys went no we're going to keep living on less so we have more margin to pay off this debt that's it we also i had um