 He came to Wisconsin and planted a church, and for the next 30 years, our church was part of the evangelical movement, and we planted numerous other churches, and it was wonderful. We reached out to missionaries all over the world. Well, Penelope, now that generation has passed. There's a new generation of leaders, and I'm finding, and this is all my opinion, only my opinion, I'm finding that the church leadership has shifted to a feel-good leadership generation.