 of these things. By the way, I'm in that group because, well, here's why. It's not humane and also science indicates it's not effective. In fact, you're doing far more harm than good. We've talked about this a lot on the radio, but which side is right? It's all very, very confusing and dog trainers are not certified. I think that's part of the problem. The standards for dog training, lack of certification. We'll talk about that issue next week.