 But unlike a lot of atheists, I do think there are objective moral truths and values. And so I'm not a moral relativist as an atheist. That's unusual. And I'm also not politically liberal, which is also unusual for atheists. Most of them are liberal. I'm more libertarian or classical liberal. I'm not quite conservative, but I hold a lot of those values. So that's also unusual. So there's a wide range of beliefs there. How do you think this all began if there wasn't some divine intelligence behind it?