 And so we went into the green room before the lecture. That's the first time I had ever laid eyes on Ed and Lorraine. And Lorraine was sitting in a chair. She had like a Scottish kilt on, a ruffled white blouse. Her hair was done up very nicely. And she was sipping a cup of tea. And as soon as I walked in, she just looked up and said, Hi, hon, how are you? She always called everybody hon. And Ed looked at me. He was looking at some slides.