 with a presentation at contact in the desert that's that big ufo shindig held their palm springs about two months ago but he is not jumping on the bandwagon not coming uh... to the topic of late turns out he's been a deep student of this mystery for many years and it's just finishing work on a massive book project about these mysterious craft and visitors thomas jane mixes coast-to-coast debut in just a few minutes and i know you're gonna get a charge out of this conversation and then in the second half