 He was the second president of Planned Parenthood. He's considered the father of Planned Parenthood, Alan Guttmacher, who it's named after. But overall, I must say, their statistics are accurate, and I've put them in some of my books. And you know they're not on our side, so there's a certain credibility there. But the irony with Alan Guttmacher is he was one of the first OBGYNs to say,