 And Jake Tapper, I'm wondering if him and Dana Bash, they did a good job as moderates, as the moderators of the debate. I'm wondering if they changed their opinion on Trump. I have to see them all together. I just think that Biden's terrible. I have to see. Here is Jake Tapper going after Joe Biden on his interview, for example. Here's an example of on Morning Joe when he just called in yesterday. Cut 22.