 for kamala harris there is some desperation that is setting in among the democrats because the reality is that they haven't really been able to peg trump either so we've talked a lot about them redefining kamala in an enthusiastic way but they haven't really been able to take down trump his approval ratings are actually the highest they have ever been at this point in time and so they are focusing all of their fire on jd vance who again is a an undefined commodity at this point and they're focusing in particular on his pro-natalist views his belief that society rests on people having babies which again seems fairly inarguable to me