 He was playing for Dallas when they made that run to the finals and held PG-13 to 19 points per game in that first-round series and looked like an all-world defender. I think the Clippers are trying to lead in his defense now. They're trying to have more of a defensive identity. There's rumors of Chris Dunn coming now. Nicholas Batum is back with them. So if you have a healthy Kawhi, it's a big one, I understand that, but if you have him with James Harden, you still have enough firepower on offense.