 um for example um i was in the emergency department when people would pass away and sometimes i would have an experience that was transformative and uh through the veil experience if you will even though i was awake and alert and not injured and uh all right that's the sorry sorry to jump in dr o'driscoll that's the shared uh death experience we'll uh as i say we'll take a quick time out sorry for the short uh segment we'll come back and uh continue