 Yeah, and Jen was the one that I was there on COCUS with. Jen is kind of a remarkable scientist. She does a lot of work on remote islands, so she spends her time going to islands like Henderson Island out in the Pacific Ocean, which is one of the most remote islands on Earth, and she'll be there for like six months at a time, you know, just on these uninhabited islands, working, counting things. She thinks it's wonderful. I must say, she describes it to me, and I