 were a part of the convention this week. I still haven't made up my mind what I think about him. Well, I think I have made up my mind, at least as of now, as to what I think of him and why he's there. In part, the fact that he's 39, the fact that we have such a focus on age. And I was thinking about us going when we were... You had the Talkers Convention in June at Hofstra University.