 alive and talking from the scene of the crash. Okay, we're going to go back to Brad Schultz now, who's on the scene. Brad? We just finished a quick briefing here from Jerry Orr, who's the aviation director. He did confirm to us those buses are being used to bring the injured out. As for numbers, we quizzed him again and again and again as to how many people may have died in the crash of Flight 1016, and we're being told that at least 10 people are dead.