 And whenever we tried to lay out our supernatural experiences in this book, we didn't want to separate the supernatural from the natural. We wanted to combine it and normalize them both existing at the same place. So when you're reading the book, you're not always aware of what's supernatural and what's actual physical and what's happening. But almost every story in this book was based on some real life experience that either my wife or I experienced over our lives. Many of the things we've talked about on the show 20 years ago are coming to fruition now.