 and General Blaine Holt and Gordon Chang and others were speaking there. And I've got to tell you, I was talking to General Blaine Holt afterwards, and he was just a real rock star. There was a line of people that wanted to meet him and talk to him and take his picture, and he was really, really a hit. Blaine Holt, tell us what you think happens with Joe Biden. I appreciate that. It was a fun event. So this is what I think they're doing is,