 Is that independence from us confusing to us as well? Do we assume that cats kind of don't need us? And that's maybe one reason why they have become so popular, not only in the U.S. and the U.K. where you are, but around the world as a pet. They can also be independent. But are we taking too much of that? I'd argue we take too much of that for granted. And cats actually, as pets, do need us.