 The universe is just simply that, which does not need to be created. It always existed. Now, there is a Big Bang, so there was a start to this universe, but a lot of cosmologists think there's multiple universes, and there's good reasons to think that might be the case. So our universe could have just banged out of some previous universe, and it's turtles all the way down, and we don't have a beginning to explain. So these are ultimate questions. I actually think, George, that