 But I plan to see if I can find out. There is an interview. I'm going to check that interview out, and I'm going to ask him about it and see what he says. But he claims he is the one that was actually doing the drumming. He's got a lick that he does. It's called the Birdie Effect, and it is pretty amazing. He played with all the greats. I mean, I can't imagine being able to be at that stage in your life and to look back and say,