 And we're talking to Carol Roth. Yeah, the analogy that I'm using to go with a movie that came out 39 years ago, and that is Rocky IV. And Trump does not get enough credit for this. So I really think the Biden people sent him out there, I guess it was about a month or so ago, to say, Donald, I'll debate you anytime, anywhere, only to proceed to say, oh, by the way, it's got to be on CNN or ABC.