 It's like a tug of war is what it's like. We know that. You know that. There's a little bit of back and forth. It's kind of like when Weed Man Hippie's out there panhandling on the streets, right? He's negotiating for more money is what he's doing. But the Clippers, the way I look at it. To get the rest of what Big Ben said, podcast it by searching The Ben Maler Show. And as always, you can hear The Ben Maler Show weekdays from 2 a.m. Eastern, 11 p.m. Pacific, right here on Fox Sports Radio. You can start your morning this way.