 than Medicare. And so I think the uncomfortable truth that people need to come to terms with is, one, both parties are to blame for this problem. Donald Trump is bad about this. Joe Biden is bad about this. But not just who's to blame, but what the real culprit is. And the real culprits of our overspending are those mandatory spending entitlement programs. They are Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare, and the debt interest. If we don't do anything about those programs, people are headed for some really, really uncomfortable pain