 And MSNBC did hardball from a studio they built impromptu over there. So he was walking around all the time. And I remember he walks around. I didn't talk to him, but he walks around with that sense of urgency like he's on hardball. Like you walk up to him, let's play hardball. Let's go. I think it's just who he is. Bye-bye. But you're always like, Jim Zoki, sports. Let's play hardball.