 bad things that have happened. But, you know, if you're a believer in either Trump or his family, I understand why they want to think that. Were you always an atheist? Were you raised one? No, I wasn't raised anything. I became a born-again Christian, actually, an evangelical Christian in 1972 when I was in high school. Then I went to Pepperdine University in Malibu to major in theology, and I took the whole thing pretty seriously, but then after about seven years, I ended up