 And I think, you know, Douglas Murray is talking about that now, and Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who was part of that, she was born in Somalia. And she's actually just converted to Christianity. She was a Muslim, then she was an atheist, and now she's converting to Christianity. And she had a conversation with Richard Dawkins and said, who still pooh-poohs religion. He thinks it's just sky magic made-up nonsense.