 is so weak that you have to attack the person because your idea won't hold its own water, that's when you've already lost. And so then you've only got a bunch of people that drop to the lowest common denominator or the only people that will follow a person whose idea has lost but they're passionate about it. You know, it's just you've got to be able to argue on the points of merit. And that's basic debate. That's basic common sense. It's basic wisdom. And it's just sad.