 So when these outdoor events come, it is a challenge all on its own, just to even get the inner perimeter secured, let alone stretching it out as far as you can. All right, Jeff James, former Secret Service agent, sir, thank you for your service and for being with us here today. We appreciate it. Thank you, Shannon. It's time now for our Sunday group. Fox News contributor and former Bush White House advisor Carl Rove. Mary Catherine Hamm, a Fox News contributor and columnist with OutKick.