 moving swiftly on before we get bogged down in that. It's like, where is consciousness? And this seems to be the point at which, you know, science took one route and, say, like, you know, a lot of other people took the other route. Because it was hotly debated for, you know, a good number of years. And particularly, if you go back into the history of the Society of Psychical Research, a lot of the people who were presidents...