 encounters with those folks and exchanges over the years and they haven't been pleasant in general they think if you're even asking questions about this stuff that you must be an idiot because it can't be true this guy seemed to me to be a real life skeptic in that you know show me the proof he doesn't say it can't be therefore it isn't he really is uh and he likes the story of ogopogo he kind of he would uh not be happy if the if the legend went away right