 you spray the ceiling to sort of saturate the popcorn. And then you take a wide spackle blade, like as wide as one you can find, and you sort of gently start peeling away at the popcorn ceiling, at the popcorn texture, I should say, from the ceiling. And that generally does a pretty good job because if you've ever tried to paint it, if you don't have the right roller, when it gets wet,