 It had been 40 years since their time in Ann Arbor, and they were together at the White House. And by that time, Willis Ward was a judge in Detroit. So you have the judge in Detroit and the president of the United States, these two old Michigan football teammates just having a great conversation in the Oval Office. So their friendship continued through the rest of their lives, and then even after Willis Ward passed away in 1983, it even continued after that.