 Right demeanor, right answers. I mean, it was just really good. And then there's a political perspective. You've said this, Clay, it's a Big Ten election. Yes. Right. And here's a guy from Ohio State who is the only thing I can say bad about him. We're in Wisconsin right now. I know there's a lot of badgers who feel that way. I'm a badger. I'm a badger. I'm married to a Michigan.