 They can't even really engage with each other. They only have a minute to talk and all that kind of stuff. And so you could see a scenario where this thing is a tie, which means it's a win for Biden. Now, there's a spectrum here, of course. It probably won't end up being the absolute best case or worst case scenario for Trump. If I had to predict, I would predict that it'll be closer to the optimistic view than the pessimistic.