 who's coming in with people know him, whether they like him or don't like him, they know him, and there's a record to go on there. So, I mean, I think, yeah, for a lot of these guys, the better pathway is just to wait. Lonnie Chen of the Hoover Institution and Stanford University. I'm not talking about an honorary degree, a real phony Ph.D. Lonnie, always great to talk to you. Thanks so much for the perspective. Thanks, guys.