 He did not get into the discussion of whether or not there would be a nuclear detonation. He did say that it would be an armed confrontation, which would create what's considered a mass casualty event. So I can't tell you what he was thinking about. But clearly he's somebody who speaks to the Russians. Clearly he is someone who speaks to the Europeans. So if he's voicing these things at that level, he may know a thing or two more than the rest of us.