 uh... and you have the first man which then of course puts the fundamental principles together to start off with so freedom of speech freedom of religion uh... freedom of the press uh... freedom of association uh... that's madison's doing dr matthew spaulding vice president of washington operations dean of the van andel graduate school of government at hillsdale in dc we talk from the boyle studio at the kirby center at hillsdale in dc i'm james madison