 And there'll be a hurry up on the pardon, and that will be the signal to the rest of us that Joe's on his way out. Well, she despises the Obamas. The truth be known, they don't like the Obamas because, remember, Obama passed up Biden for Hillary Clinton. There's no love lost there. They may make public appearances and stuff, but they're not fans. And the Biden people do not trust the Obama people. It is a den of sharks up there. It's this Game of Thrones. It's a modern-day Game of Thrones.