 And even learning that in that industry, those guys were just as broke as I was trying to find money. They were hustling, but their hustle was selling albums. And we even had connections where rap stars would give us money to flip the money, because when they get record deals, they give them this money to cut these albums. And to cut these albums, they got to pay that stuff back. That's just money up front to get the album made. And this was back in the 90s.