 like simply safe so we have lon he chen who's worked on presidential campaigns and been in debates and all that sort of stuff we're going to talk to him um on about 15 minutes about all this but we got a breaking supreme court news we should probably do when we come back because we talk about this topic so much the supreme court upheld on oregon city's ban on sleeping outdoors so what does that what does that mean well let's let's look into what they said and we'll talk about it when we come back and a lot more debate stay with us