 The Pete Callender Show. You have the chaotic mind and the ordered mind. And you need both of them. Entrepreneurs, a little bit on the chaos side. They will an idea into being, but you don't want them to manage the whole thing forever because they're having ideas about other stuff to do. And so you want to have an implementer. You want to have somebody that has a more ordered mind and can go through and say, all right, this is how we do these ideas.