 So he came up to me and he said, hey, I apologize. I was eavesdropping. And I said, I can see that. He said, I apologize, but I just want you to know I don't think you're crazy. And I asked him, what makes you say that? He said, well, I had my own experience about 10 years ago, and I've never talked about it because I was threatened. And I said, now you have my attention. What did you see? Are you willing to talk about it? And he paused for a moment, and he said, I'll tell you about it, but I don't want to go into too much detail. And he said that he had been