 uh... and you have the first man which then of course puts the fundamental principles together to start off with so freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of the press, freedom of association. That's Madison's doing. Dr. Matthew Spalding, Vice President of Washington Operations, Dean of the Van Andel Graduate School of Government at Hillsdale in D.C. We talk from the Boyle Studio at the Kirby Center at Hillsdale in D.C. I'm James Madison.