 And well, let me add something to it. The Obama people and the Biden people don't generally like each other. They're still resentful of the fact that Obama picked Hillary Clinton to run in 2016 instead of Biden. They're still resentful of that. They don't trust him. So any kind of semblance of a real great communication group there is not existent. So then the question becomes, okay, if they do find some, let's just say they go to the convention, they find another candidate, and somehow Biden releases his delegates and says, I'm not going to run.