 And so when you go through that, a realistic perspective of the session will necessarily begin with the understanding that a summertime clash between these guys who have debated before is not likely to decide the results. For one, it's way too soon for any single event to be decisive. This is the earliest general election debate between candidates in the history of the country. We've said that. The earliest previous debate was between Ford and Jimmy Carter, which was in late September 1976.