 In 2020, Biden handily won the debate. It was almost embarrassing to watch. Trump just would not shut up. He bullied and name-called. He talked over Biden constantly, etc. He was like a spoiled child, and it made him look terrible and turned off a lot of people. And he lost. Trump already has his base. They aren't going anywhere. If he wants to win, he's going to have to reach out to people like me. It's an interesting notion because...