 third party or a even a fourth party be the one thing and so I know how Obama operates because he and I both came out of the system I've known Obama since 1995 don't real well I did a lot of stuff for when I was governor and appointed several people that he asked me to a point so I know how he operates and again I know what what they did to me and so I'm convinced without any doubt that you know Joe Biden was pushed out against his will he wanted