 It can be chaotic. So I'm wondering, have you ever had a harrowing experience out in the water? And this isn't just a rhetorical question because I have guests with me today. I'm joined by Jessica and Jeff. If you've been a listener for a while, you know that Jeff's a regular guest. He's a Bible scholar and one of the favorite voices we love to hear from. Welcome back to the program, Jeff. Thanks, Mike. Good to be here.