 and they just have a great perceptual awareness. And I think we see in such a limited range to think that we can see everything and be so sure that things don't exist because we can't see them, I think is great arrogance, isn't it? Sure is, Penelope, and thank you for being on the program. First-time guest, you did a great job for us. Up next, Suzanne Wilson, the carefree medium, joins us.