 not some bureaucrats that are not subject to any sort of potential recall or having to stand for re-election. All right, Stephen Bucci is with us. We've got to take a short break, Stephen. Please stick around. I want to finish our thought on the 2025 project and maybe ask you another question or two before we do run out of time for this segment. My name is Lee Elsey filling in for Wayne Allen Root, of course, at the top of the hour.