 Listen, I had to make really bad death notifications, a lot of other things, which we'll talk about in a few moments. But we always did that kind of stuff in person. We didn't do it over the phone. That was a rule that we had in Baltimore. We're talking with Heather Kruger. Heather is the niece of Brian Swift, who was on the show February of 2022. She was diagnosed with a fatal liver disease, had a transplant, fell in love with her donor.