 So personal interactions, whatever it is, there are lots of things that can make our heart hard. You know, when a wind comes against us, something happens, there's a shooting, we get scared. And so we like go into our turtle shell. We call it in my house, turtling. We turtle, get away from me, I'm in my shell, right? Porcupine, you come near me, I'm gonna shoot quills at you.