 okay i mean if you're sitting on a log the first one that comes to mind with me is i was hunting in an area that's that's uh permit now but i'm sure it's an area that you hunted many times as well not not far from where we live yeah i know what you're talking about that place yeah but there was a whole herd of cows moving i had a bull bugling and there's a herd of cows moving past me and the bull was bugling up ahead