 the witch would do a kind of magical process and the farm down the road, the cow would suddenly stop producing milk and all this kind of stuff. And today, what we find is that people, you know, when I went out and I talked to the witches and asked them, what do you do? What kind of magic do you do? What do you use magic for? And they very often use it for healing, you know, for themselves, but most often for other people. So you see how