 And then finally, Meredith St. Clair, a parenting and tech expert and author. We had her on the program to chat about summer fun and how tech doesn't mean just handing a kid an iPad, which is not recommended as a babysitting tool. Instead, there's a lot of tech for fun. We talked about floaties and karaoke singing and stuff with Bluetooth and bright LED lights and other fun stuff and some educational or STEM toys as well. So lots of great stuff there. Hope you enjoyed the show. You can subscribe and share Tech It Out with me, Mark Saltzman.