 And within 10 minutes, it's pretty much like most Americans. That's what we were watching throughout the evening. And the first thing I said to everybody was that this photograph now goes down as the Iwo Jima photograph, the flag raising at Iwo Jima. It's the same iconic. It's just there. It was instantaneous history taken by an AP photographer who knew what he was doing. And I saw the interview or heard the interview with him.