 You know, he really never ducked any questions that he may not be a guy who's the most introspective or a guy, you know, he's a guy who knows the story that he wants to tell and tells it. But, you know, there's something kind of, it's not just there's something winning, but I kind of came to the view that, you know, Louie may have done the bad deeds that we've talked about, but he was not, he was also at the same time,