 And so you're trying to connect all the dots that you knew of all the pieces of this that happened to this, and then it happened to this, and then it popped up over here. Correct. And how hard is that to explain to somebody who doesn't get how your system works to begin with? It was challenging. And then the other thing is, and I wrote about it in my book, and I did blow the whistle on it, but it never really became a public phenomenon, was there was another case where there was a guy, his name was Jean-Baptiste Kingery,