 white shoe, white shoe, white shoe firm. Okay, let's just leave it at that. Okay, big time money. Many of the other ones were as well, but Morgan Stanley in particular was one of those super white shoe firms. And they decided all of a sudden that they were going to buy Dean Witter. Remember Dean Witter? Remember they used to have little investment offices inside. They were in Sears Robux back in the day.