 How did you get into your first business? Well, like I said, I was kind of coming home to marry the woman that I married 31 years ago, and she said, you better get a real job instead of working at a sound studio and doing what I was doing at the time. So I was kind of unemployable a little bit. So I started a company with the Internet was starting to happen, and I was a little bit of a technologist. So we started a company to get businesses connected to the Internet and set up email and set up websites and stuff.