 or get to know him, or you see the character that he is a family man. He does have six children, grandchildren. He is, in his own way, the salt of the earth. A rich one, but the salt of the earth. I mean, when I was hot and heavy in the Oregon legislature, I was labeled public enemy number one. Throughout the entire state, they had buttons on it. I had to wear a flak vest for two weeks when I was in the legislature because of stupid threats that came in.