 You know, if you listen to what's been said about him, you would not have a good impression. But, again, once you know him or get to know him or you see the character that he is a family man, he does have, you know, six children, grandchildren. He is, in his own way, the salt of the earth. A rich one, but the salt of the earth. I mean, when I was hot and heavy in the Oregon legislature, I was labeled public enemy number one. Throughout the entire state, they had buttons on it. I had to wear a flak vest.