 with somebody i met at a conference it's called the jersey pod cats and it's all about cats and we have cat lovers on and we talk about our cats and we are having a blast with it it's on all the podcasting sites of course it's a youtube channel too so it's the jersey pod cats now i want to go to our next presenter a meditation and stress management expert wow we all need that kiki tau and i just want to spell her name if you want to go to her website while you hear us talking it's