 You know, he got too serious about it. Then, of course, years later, kind of everything came to an end. I interviewed him. Whenever the Republicans have a convention, I just remember being at the 2000, July of 2000. I just started at our flagship station, WBAP. Just started. And next thing I know, I'm on a plane to go to the Republican convention in 2000. Right. And I just...