 In drainage, they wanted all copper for drains. He didn't want to do it. Guess what? Had to come out, get ripped out. Had to pay to get this stuff certified for the states just so he could use the plumbing stuff. It delayed his project probably nine months because he had to go through all these different hopes. So just be careful out there. I would say pull permits when you can. And I get it for some of the dumb stuff. People go, ah, it's not worth it. I get it. But technically, you should be pulling permits when you need to. I'd tell you not to.