 And Obama is a very gifted speaker. I take nothing away from that. He followed Clinton and Clinton followed Kennedy. And they studied speech and they worked on it. They know how to do these deliberate pauses. They know how to look out there and promise you the world or ask you a question that leads you to believe that this is what they're going to give you. So Obama was really the first DEI hire that we know on record. Well, if you go further now, when...