 And I wrote him a letter, just totally out of the blue. I didn't know who he was. I didn't know what prison had done to him. He was in his 11th year of incarceration, what I wrote. And I just said, I'm going to go out on a limb and say you're not the same person today who you were back when you were 18 years old. And it turned out that my need to know his story was matched by his need to share his story.