 He can still hear the echoes of laughter from all of his friends who were business people laughing at him for this crazy move that he did. Carlos then brought in an outfitter, a professional hunter, a young guy named at that time Mark Haldane. Mark's still not that old, by the way. He's not as old as I am. But he brought Mark Haldane from South Africa and said, Mark, I need you to run this place for me. He said, I don't know anything about hunting.