 fifteen and then general surgeries by the time they get to be seventeen of all this makes you cringe believe me it makes me cringe as well i just want you to know what's going on and that joe biden has apparently decide not that he's come to his senses he hasn't but what he said is this isn't very popular this is going to cost me votes he doesn't seem to give a damn about your kids and whether or not this is done to your kids but what all politicians care about