 Well, they bought Dean Witter up. And Dean Witter was a firm for the masses. It wasn't for the white shoe types. It wasn't for the really rich people. Actually, the symbol change was MSDW. And what they did is exactly what I expected them to do, is they started taking all sorts of companies public, dot-com companies public, garbage companies. I remember their lead equity person was a lady by the name of Mary Meeker.