 I didn't know what I wanted, and so Denny and Leanne came out, measured, we talked about it. I had a designer. She gave them some ideas on what she was looking for, and then we just trusted the people at D.L. Drury to do their best. They always have for us. This is the third business that I've had them build my cabinets for. It's about 15 feet long. It's bar height, and we use a knotty hinge.