 But the thing is, is that Satan works through people just like God works through people. And so we really are battling flesh and blood. It's a misinterpretation of Ephesians 6, 12, and you see it in other places in his teachings. Like in Romans, I think it's chapter six or eight. I was just reading it this past week. The spiritual world for people who have given themselves over to Satan, because Satan is the ruler of the world. He has not yet been kicked out. They will sell their souls