 to people in their family, they, you know, ask for help, that might mean calling our office, really any way that they can reach out and be open about it, be vulnerable about it, because it can be something that a lot of people experience shame about, and I don't think we need to, I don't think that helps us. And it just, it's an interesting idea. Again, going back to my experience in paying off my student loans, I didn't know that, and maybe back then there wasn't help, but it's not something that as parents we necessarily would know to then direct our kids, hey, there might be help available for you. It really then becomes