 And in the course of that, he said to me, I asked him the question about Aurora, and I said, come on, it's your last day in office. You can tell me, was it real? Is it real? And he said, well, let me put it this way. He said, we had a retirement issue with the Blackbird aircraft in 1990. We had an old generation of satellites up there, spy satellites, that couldn't quite do the job