 And there was a very wide agreement, by the way, that people didn't want black people marrying white people and people didn't want them living as equal citizens. How's Lincoln going to argue in that context? And the Declaration of Independence provides a way. It did. We'll come back. Dr. Larry Aaron is my guest. All of the Hillsdale Dialogue is available at hueforhillsdale.com and everything Hillsdale available at hillsdale.edu. More Dr. Jaffa on the 4th of July when we return. Stay tuned.