 So we started asking questions like, why are these guns not being interdicted? And we were told, hey, we're doing something different. This is groundbreaking. But even at that point, no one envisioned that ATF was letting guns literally be trafficked to the cartels. So not too long after this, Brian Terry, who was a Border Patrol agent, who was working on the border looking for armed bandits who were robbing drug couriers, was killed. And one of the guns that was traced back to that scene was tied to the Fast and Furious investigation, which was actually called the Jacob Chambers case.