 Welcome back to Speaking Out. We're having an interview and a conversation with a man who actually hosts a radio program called The Conversation. And you can hear it on sierraandtalk.com, Monday through Friday at 2 p.m. And then Eric is also a certified attorney in Los Angeles, and he is a very well-respected attorney at that. And he speaks often to the issues of legality and how it intertwines with politics, especially in California, which, as you know, and we've talked about,