 what natural talents and gifts they've learned they might have in common with their very successful CEOs and how they can use these gifts to propel their own careers. And I was wondering, was this conversation with Ernie and Brian worthwhile for you or was it a waste of your time? It was eye-opening to see how Ernie and Brian both started their businesses and how they really think on how to make a successful company and the failures in life that brought them to where they are today. What do you like about Ernie?