 with an Ivy League Juris Doctorate, and he then got into the financial enterprise business in San Francisco. I sense, I don't know what specificity, but I sense he has done very well in terms of income. And now, of course, he's run for and been elected to the United States Senate and is now the nominee for Vice President of the United States at the ripe old age of 39. That would be 40 in just a matter of weeks.