 And I need to also underscore that even before the pandemic, the scores weren't great to begin with. No, they weren't. That's Lance Izumi. His new book is called The Great Classroom Collapse. Teachers, students, and parents expose the collapse of learning in American schools. Lance, thanks very much. Back in a moment, I'll get to your calls at 866-HEY-LARS. That's 866-439-5277. Send your emails to talk at LarsLarson.com. And you've got the Radio Northwest Network.