 And in that he's run the company for about 27 years, but hasn't done too much to develop it. He's not so much of a businessman, but it's more skilled in the technical area and it's just done what he can to run it. And there's definitely a lot of opportunity in developing the business. And that's where with my schooling, there's a program. It's a master's program that is a business accelerator with professionals in the area. And we've been blessed by being accepted into this program.