 You mentioned your dad was a baseball player. You were a baseball player for a while, right? Yep. What role did you play? I was a catcher like my dad. And like Larry. And like Larry, yes. And what did you like about being a catcher? Was it just because your dad was a catcher or was there something else that drew you to that? Well, I keep coming back to this theme. I'm sure that it was part of my dad being there, but...