 No, I don't think this was a race of time. From Ernie, I learned, like, being tenacious and wanting more for yourself and your company can actually build you up more in the way that you look at the world and the way that you navigate the business world. And from Brian, I learned a lot because he harnessed the struggle and controlled it. And when it was over, he invested it into himself, his perception, and the way he thought about his company. And now he's really successful. They both are.