 Let me go back while we get some phone calls coming in here. Let me go back to this. The reason I was even asking you about that was I find it interesting that there's a lot of people that are in these genres. And they do quite well with books and articles and getting on shows a lot and going to conferences, this and that. And they're very, very well known. And they talk about all the different things, whether it is UFOs or consciousness, whatever it could be in the genres of the paranormal.