 balancing the top of the ticket think of bush cheney someone who wasn't perceived as having national security experience coupled with someone who did or clinton gore 92 right and i think the model that the people around the vice president are interested in is is there an alchemy of kind of a buddy picture where the two of them together uh create a a kind of a a a tableau of change of youth of energy of dynamism and whatever it is that they want the country to think donald trump isn't