 that would kill Washington State's so-called long-term care insurance program. So I was especially anxious to talk to Kathy McCall, who represents both AARP, another organization I disagree with, but that's okay. Kathy, we love naysayers on this program, and I want to hear your arguments for why your group and a number of allied groups, including the Washington State Nurses, the National MS Society, Moms Rising, and the League of Women Voters, want to kill Initiative 2124.