 and say we will make a commitment of a minimum amount of cut you know for the next 20 years long enough that somebody you know whether it's hampton or some other company would say well if you'll make that commitment to supply that amount of logs we will build the facilities to do it but we can't make it pencil any other way unless you give us a medium long-term commitment to supply the logs otherwise why build a you know a mill for one or two years of logging that doesn't make any sense