 as he is publicly. Goes on to saying, talking about Vice President Kamala Harris, who initially he wondered how she may fare in a campaign, should it come to that. I'm told now he's asking questions, saying, do you think Kamala can win? Again, this advisor offers caution, saying this, it is still unclear where he's going to land, but he seems to be listening. He seems to be listening. John Heilemann at MSNBC