 i said no because i'm conservative and i'm republican and also because i had like just very serious concerns about what he was going to be like at the president just then i sort of had like little glimmers into what the american public is now seeing now about his temper and that maybe like he wasn't the friendly joe that i had just had this one very specific experience with so ever since that moment i was completely banished from anything in biden world at all i haven't talked to him or his staff in over four years