 three or four or five-year-old daughter's hand watching this guy belly crawl in the building. He's probably thinking, that's got to be a cop. That's got to be a cop that can't be a shooter. But there were people trying to draw attention to the police. You had heard that there was a police officer who had apparently engaged the shooter, and you were thinking maybe the shooter had to hurry his shots? Yeah, I've heard different reports that a local police officer, drawn by the crowd pointing him out, had tried to get up onto the roof