 there at empirefence.net like i said we have an online estimator on our website you also can see some of the photos of the works we offer the products we offer and that'll help you give a great a great you know ballpark figure before you even have to talk to anybody that's cool okay come on out to the home show uh ray's here and uh he's got his booth here so come on down and see him once again until seven o'clock tonight eleven to four tomorrow for the home and garden expo of oklahoma