 And I think if we can get that to sort of shine through, then that's going to help them more than any like particular policy debating point. We just have to make sure that shines through. I think talking about the people he's met on the campaign trail, I mean, you may remember this, Charlie, but when we had this terrible train accident in East Palestine, Ohio, and Trump shows up completely out of the blue, has bottled water, but just interacting with people on the ground and