 So you had these guys as players. Was he one of those butter up, he wanted to butter you up as a catcher? No. Get to know you? No. I had a lot of respect for him. Let me tell you this. When the first game with him, Terry Collins, we had Gene Larry, we had all these veterans, Maubon, all these guys that told me, hey, man, as soon as you get out there, don't talk to him.