 the good stuff i vouch for that and yeah i've been on holland america a couple times and this is one of their newer ships it's excellent i've also been on the cheap stuff and this is not that yeah there's a difference i'm just saying there's you do get what you pay for on the high seas so there you go well speaking for about paying dave a lot of people are like do i do i have to have the you know however much it is up front but the good news is you can book it with just the deposit