 And I found that very fascinating. He said, yeah, I'd like, I want to call my own game, but he said, what I really want is for the catcher to call it and me to agree with it. And he said, I would rather, I would rather somebody I'm confident in lead me and where I could just have one less thing to think about. And that's, that's kind of what the role is. Well, exactly right. I mean, you want to be on the same page. You want to sit together and