 at the Aspen Security Forum. It ought to be at the Aspen Surrender Forum. I want you to listen to this. He's asked a question by National Public Radio host Mary Louise Kelly. Cut 14, go. Every time I've interviewed you as Secretary, I have asked you the same question, is U.S. policy still that Iran must not be allowed to get a nuclear weapon? It is. Which is what you always answer, and then I always ask, so how are you going to stop them?