 no holds barred to get him removed. That's right. Actually, it was a very close call. It was a very close call, and after a year and a half of closed-door meetings, and really nip and tuck as far as John Mack was concerned, Pulitzer Prize-winning author or not, he almost lost his job, and what finally happened after a year and a half, the dean finally put closure on it and said, I guess this is an academic freedom issue, and