 they they kind of they're dwarfs i guess would be the word if i can say that you know 20 inches tall but they're healthy i mean leland cypress have been having problems with a stem canker you know folks that have planted them they were really the rage by landscapers for a long time and then suddenly they got bigger and bigger and they started dying branch by branch and then the whole half of the tree is gone so i don't highly recommend them anymore because of that but