 it's not going to get trillions of dollars a year. They're going to have to figure out a way to do what they need to do with less. It means that we wouldn't have an education department federally, that that would fall upon the states and the localities. It means that a lot of the big bureaucracies like the EPA and others would have to be stripped back. And it means that we would need real, true health care reform because the bulk of costs to America beyond the servicing of our debt and the interest on that is actually in the health care sector.