 And I mean, I guarantee you that that staffer would not have talked to Mark Mimoli about that in those terms if it wasn't for the fact that Biden himself resents what happened in 2015 and Obama and Pelosi and Schumer pressuring him to stay out because they didn't think he could win in 2015 or 2016 and then watching Hillary Clinton lose anyway. I think that what they were saying there is a very resentment that Biden has carried for the last nine years.