 For the next 34 years, I worked my way up the chain, and I became the first director of ICE that came up to the ranks. So I think that's my greatest achievement because of the 20,000 men and women that worked for me. I didn't ask him to do anything that I didn't do myself because I came up to the program. There's something about leadership that makes real sense. I don't care how good a leader you are, if you haven't done or done something like what you're asking me to do, you can't know it that well.