 The average everyday person isn't as familiar and he's very new. Now, I want to be very clinical here because there's some good and then there's some things that he's going to have to overcome. The name recognition is something he's going to have to overcome because I think he has less. J.D. Vance has less of a political record than Barack Obama did when Barack Obama left the Senate to run for the White House. So you do have to keep that in mind.