 Well, I wasn't sure I could make a living doing this art, and I tried some different things, but at one point, you know, I came to the day when, you know, didn't have a job and had a wife and a son, young son, house and car and everything people have, and somebody said, well, there's an art show, you know, over on the square on election day, and people set their wares out, and I mean, that's when I started, and