 witchcraft was causing a stir. Yes, and it still is. Those are the comments that I got along the way was, oh, witchcraft, I don't know if I want to listen about that. I'm like, well, you know, that's not, we're going to actually talk about some other things, but that's just one of the things he'll talk about. And that is something too, I think it's important to listen to things just so you'll understand them. And too, it doesn't mean you're condoning them or you're,