 and letting them talk about him, because he clearly is not comfortable doing it. So everybody knows Eric, everyone knows Don, everyone knows Ivanka. Well, you know Tiffany a little bit, and you know that Barron, we watched him grow up. He's now 6'9". He's going to probably be going to a college in New York City, which I find relatively challenging, especially the one he picked. But I was very surprised to hear his granddaughter speak out