 tough as nails he was a leader uh totally understood the game uh you know just pretty much had he was a guy when they say a guy that commanded the room i mean that's that's he didn't command the room he commanded the organization and you know joe burrow was playing in a totally different era and he's doing absolutely wonderful he's bringing a lot of excitement and brought a lot of excitement uh for the uh for the community of cincinnati and the surrounding area so