 I know you've got to be careful using it if you want to protect pollinators, but the moths that are the big issue here. But these caterpillar sprays, they have BT in them. Most of them are spinosad, and both are organic-approved kinds of sprays. They don't harm your pets, don't harm you. They don't harm other insects but those that are caterpillars, which is what you see in both of these conditions. And just spray right in where they're feeding, and they have to consume it to take them out. So you want to get it on the plant before they stop feeding.