 They didn't have cameras. They didn't have any references except what was real, did they? That was their best reference. They had some cameras. They could shoot some black and white pictures, but that was an involved process. So basically, certainly, the best information was just what they could see right in front of them. And even today, Red, you know, with the tremendous equipment that we have today, and all the artists that I know that work with representational subject matter today pretty well