 So she talked to Jason Riley and said the following. If this was an open convention, which we're all trying not to put into motion, then you're asking black delegates and female delegates to turn their heads. You're disenfranchising them, she said. She doesn't believe that Mr. Biden is irretrievably damaged, but she does allow that swapping in Harris could have an upside. I think it would help bring home some black voters who are looking for a reason to stand in long lines for the Democrats on Election Day.