 That's really interesting. What was the moment, and if people are just tuning in, we're talking with Dr. Nadina Ghali. She's the author of The Nature of Our Cities, Harnessing the Power of the Natural World to Survive a Changing Planet. If you didn't get a chance to read this op-ed in the New York Post, I'm going to link to it right now on my Facebook page. You can check it out, facebook.com.