 And just to confirm that Russia tried to sabotage the talks with this last-minute clause that would have given them a veto over any response to their future aggression, a Ukrainian address, and that he said Putin did everything possible to make peace. And The Times actually quoted him. He said this back in December. The Times actually acknowledged some of his remarks. Listen to what he said. This is Oleksandr Chaly. He's a veteran Ukrainian diplomat. He was a part of the delegation that negotiated in Istanbul. Listen to what he said.