 by this six-foot-seven Protestant from upstate New York. How did they think that he was going to be such a true believer in the cause as he made himself out to be? The same way as McKevitt, I think, was probably embarrassed that he was taken in by David. So, you know, I've done extensive interviews with all these people, especially at the time 20 years ago. We've talked to them since. None of them wanted to go on the air and talk. But the stories are theirs.