 Well, you know, they don't argue about winter navigation anymore because that fight's over and they don't, I don't even know, who's in charge of Save the River? Yeah, I remember, I can still remember when Barry Freed, Abby Hoffman was involved in that. He was in this station at the time. I wasn't working here, but I can remember. I think I was working at Public TV at the time, and boy, he was fascinating.