 And Papo Luca always used him in all of his songs. He then came here to New York and started his own band. And he's done very well. He plays with Eddie all the time. All the time. He swings. Little Johnny Ribeiro, Mi Corazon Te Llama. Before that, Carmen McRae and Cal Jada. A thing called Heat Wave. When I heard it, I was shocked. I thought it was just going to be Cal Jada, but it was Carmen McRae. Cal Jada is an interesting figure.