 So you're in Atlanta until 1980 when the team ups and moves to Calgary. The Islanders had just won their first Stanley Cup. And I believe the story that led you to Long Island really occurred at that draft in 1980. Can you share what happened there? Well, the Islanders Flyers series was going on. I was, I guess, secretary of the NHL Broadcasters Association. I don't think I was president. I may have been president at that time.