 And they were so tormented by what was going on in their lives. And so they said to my friend, who's the specialist in grief counseling, they said, what can we do to get rid of this guilt and shame that we're committing abortions? And she said, stop doing abortions. And they said, we can't do that. And so I really believe that people have to somehow cut off their consciences. You know, it says in Romans chapter one,