 uh use people like this in a frail state you know as puppets for their own agenda I guess so and to me it's just blatant elder abuse yeah well we did hear last night from one of the gals on MSNBC I've played the clip last night and whatnot see if I can find it again but she she openly stated that she talked to Obama last night here it is here it is she talked to Obama during the debate and then she tries covering it up so we know who's orchestrating this listen what's this we go