 He's fangirling out on Judy Garland in this recording. He just loves Judy. And the part of the thing you didn't hear is when he was a kid, he went to see Judy just following her when she was appearing in New York when she was like 16 years old. And that's, it's art forward of all people. But anyway, it's a great interview. Let's just play it because it is so good. I'm so happy to be sharing this with people. A few years ago, we were standing outside of lowest state stage door.