 And even though he's going to look ridiculous, maybe he might just do that. So you've got to come up with ways to get under their skin so there's no way they can avoid it so they will be embarrassed if they don't respond to that. And yet also not always take the bait. It's a good juggling act and it's a difficult juggling act even for the most smart and shrewdest of people out there. I've done many a debate.