 And what kind of father was he? You've actually addressed this. What kind of father? What kind of father was he? Well, what I'd say is look at his kids. I mean, they all came out great. I mean, look at Joe's kids compared to Donald Trump's kids. I think the proof is in the pudding, so to speak. I think his kids are all successful, smart, outgoing people. They seem nice, cool, friendly.