 She would come and ask me for help. A couple of days later, after we shared a couple of pints of tea at Kennedy's, she was talking about her two children. And I thought, uh-oh, she's married. Oh, well. Then a woman in my department who was friends with her said, you know, Joni likes you. I said, yeah, but she's married. She's got a couple of kids. She says, they're adult kids, and she's a widow. So the rest, as they say, is history.