 That's really depleting. I just said to my preaching class the other day, that very question came up. Somebody asked it. I remember a man who sat in the second pew on the right-hand side in the old sanctuary we used to have. And then we built a new one. He sat in the same second pew in the new sanctuary. 15 years at least. And when he passed away, I could see no change in his life at all.