 one of these days they're going to do the right thing and reward him by putting him in the Hall of Fame. We hope so. Lance Parrish with us tonight on the program. Now, you went to the Pirates for a while, and speaking of the Hall of Fame, Jim Leland goes in this summer. Talk a little bit about your experience with Jim. Well, when I first signed with the Tigers back in 1974, Jim Leland was managing in low-A Clinton, Iowa.