 and compare that to the very French kind of tight sound. Of course, they're different. The pieces they're playing are extremely different as well. So each one, Ferdinand Paulin and Felix Salmon, are playing the cello in the best way for the music they're playing. So you have to consider that. But listen to this guy's sound. We've played Felix Salmon before. We may even have played this Grieg before. But listen to this. This is really fine-sounding cello playing.