 1987 is when he actually discovered gold, or when he started pulling gold out. He may have actually seen it prior to then, but I don't think so. I don't think so. I think he would have been selling it much sooner. But by 1987, he started pulling out gold pieces, medallions, pendants, coins, bricks or blocks with script on them, just all kinds of stuff with this unknown, at the time, this unknown language.