 they need they want to like be around the artist so it goes like hand in hand sometimes if you know how to play it right but i don't know that's an interesting question i think i'm super fortunate to be educated in a bunch of different spaces that i don't i can't answer that because it's just not it's just something that i already know both spaces so i think if i didn't know one of them i would be like oh if i knew that that would probably help me but i think just because