 No matter what band Manny played with, it always succeeded. He was such an incredible firebrand. And before that, it was called Empego Naroco, Tito Rodriguez. And we started with Mambo Gozón with Tito Puente. We were talking about summertime in the projects or summertime in New York City. I learned to swim in the public pools. I didn't learn in the beach. My mother didn't like the beaches that much. She never went to Orchard. Never, never.