 and and and like for him being that it was his first record you know for him understand like i remember doing my first album i've only been in one band that's been this band right so like i remember the first time i recorded something in the beginning it's kind of weird you know if you don't really know the experience of recording an album the headphones feel like you have like an anvil on your head there's all these weird feelings and you have to understand how to be creative and also lock into what you do live right