 in that secondary position, and then, you know, but people would say, Vernon Duke said, for example, one day to Andre, I heard you got married, and he said, yes, I married a lyricist. He said, a lady lyricist? And Andre said, yes, and she's damn, oh, sorry, the D word I just said, and she's very good. And Vernon Duke said, dear boy, there's no such thing as a good lady lyricist. Now, this was in the 60s, the early 60s.