 But networking, you have to go out there and network. It's great to have degrees. I have a bachelor's, two masters. I'm doing my doctorate. But if I didn't show up and really get the experience through these jobs, it wouldn't matter if I had any degrees. So I would say it's through networking. I've just had amazing mentors that have really poured into me. Black woman that like really saw something in me that sometimes I didn't see in myself and really cultivated that experience.