 15,000 people, many of them on their knees down because we didn't know if the shooting was over. We didn't know if there was one shooter or two shooters. And the president showed real strength and composure and reassurance as the Secret Service moved him out. And eventually the crowd dissipated, but we really didn't know what was going on. It was very chaotic, as you might imagine. But it was clear that somebody, at least one person, maybe more had been hurt, seriously.