 for decades, and I had a friend at one point call me up, and this was like probably 30, 35 years ago, or 30 years ago maybe, said, you need to come over here, and I'm a musician also. I've been playing since I was about three years old, and I probably learned how to read music before I learned how to read English, because my mother was a concert pianist, and her mother was a teacher, my mother was a teacher also,