 It doesn't mean that poverty is only here in America, of course. But it does mean that we have much higher rates of poverty than we have to have. So all this poverty in our midst is unnecessary and shameful. And because it's unnecessary, there's hope. There are real solutions on our path. I'm Ramteen Arab Louie. And I'm Randa Abdel-Fattah. Today on ThruLine from NPR, what it means to be a poverty abolitionist.