 Well, so if that case had been reported that way from the very beginning, would we have thought of this phenomenon more in terms of the esoteric literature, the traditions of spirituality, rather than extraterrestrial? Both elements are involved. There appears to be physical, there's a physical dimension, but there's also this other level that Ken Arnold talked about. And by the way, in the Betty and Barney Hill famous abduction case, their house had poltergeist phenomena.