 We're going to need both of you to come back soon for a sudden death tie breaker. Magdalene, Luke, thank you both so much for joining me today. Yeah, thanks for having us. Thank you so much. That was Slate's Luke Winkie and writer Magdalene Taylor. I'm going to take a quick break. And when I get back, we're getting into another American icon, the cowboy, and why the Lone Ranger is more relevant than ever.