 We didn't get a yes when we reached out to him and his representatives. And I think, I would wager, he just doesn't want to be involved. It's related to why people are surprised that Mitch Lowe did participate. I feel like he might have had a sense that he wouldn't look good in this story. He might end up in a bad spot. So that's Ted. Going back to Mitch for a second, it's hard to believe he genuinely was clueless about...