 You're back with On Point. I'm Meghna Chakrabarty and Dr. Anthony Fauci joins us today. His new memoir about his 40 plus years in public service is called On Call, A Doctor's Journey in Public Service. And Dr. Fauci, I'd love to hear your recollections of either that specific meeting that we just played a moment from where AIDS activists are really confronting you about not being able to get data and not being able to get data.