 This episode was produced by Rachel Faulkner-White, Matthew Cloutier, Andrea Gutierrez, and Fiona Guerin. It was edited by Sanaz Meshkenpour and me. Our production staff at NPR also includes James Delahousie, Harsha Nahada, Lane Kaplan-Levinson, Katie Monteleone, and Julia Carney. Beth Donovan is our executive producer. Our audio engineer was Margaret Luthar.