 And I think this is a really interesting contrast between Molina and Parsons and Foreman as kind of this divide where Molina had this really altruistic sort of scientific interest in what rockets could do as a tool for helping advance our understanding of the Earth and the space around us, right? But it sort of seems like Parsons and Foreman were into it because they really liked the bang. So I guess what they tried to accomplish was develop a rocket, right?