 And I would just say that it would depend, of course, on who the individual is, right? Because it precludes forgiveness, right? There's no forgiveness involved because precisely as you said, it acknowledges that the crimes are so profound, which is why you don't see oblivion proclaimed just for any old thing, right? It has to be a kind of event that actually really rips apart and in some cases undoes the very fabric of society.