 I calculated once that by the time I'd gotten to college, I'd lived in five different family configurations, each of which had ended through some kind of death or trauma or something. And this kind of suffering was what I felt I needed to heal from, what I needed to get over, what I needed to get beyond. And here was Deepa Ma kind of saying to me, go toward it. There's something of value here, not only for you, but for others. So that was kind of stunning in that moment.