 and next thing you know five shots ring out so you're you're certain that the shots came from that guy on the 100 100 and he he was up there for a couple of minutes he was up there you saw him up there for a couple of minutes absolutely at least three to four minutes and you were telling police in the secret we were telling the police we were pointing at him for the secret service who were looking at us from the top of the barn they were looking at us the whole time we were standing by that tree could they