 And what I mean by that is the ideology might seem like it's the most important thing, and that's what people are latching on to, that's what they believe in, that's why they're there. But ultimately, if you scratch below the surface, you realize that it's really about a whole set of underlying drivers that are pushing people towards that ideology. And by underlying drivers, what I mean by that is maybe an experience of trauma in their past, maybe an experience of violence in their past even,