 Emily Nussbaum is staff writer at The New Yorker and author of the book Cue the Sun, The Invention of Reality TV. Emily, this has been fascinating. Thanks for the conversation. Thank you so much for having me. You can find us on Facebook and Instagram and subscribe to our podcast wherever you like to get podcasts. Just search for KERA Think or listen at our website, think.kera.org. Again, I'm Chris Boyd. Thanks for listening. Have a great day.