 And many people considered it really humiliating and exploitative, but also it was one of the rare places where you ever heard these kinds of stories told, where you saw people get emotional and you saw like the inside of people's marriages in the 40s and 50s. So it was sort of both things at once. And I think that was a big struggle that people had in reacting to these shows is how am I supposed to deal with this mixed emotion where I'm like a voyeur, but I can't stop watching.