 We're only a few minutes in, debaters are aggressively competing for the floor. Rodrigo tries to refocus the conversation. Guys, we're not enemies. We're here to have civil discussion. Correct. But it doesn't work. As soon as one person stops speaking, this happens. This always happens at least a little bit in the roundtable format. Although listening and civility are a big part of that golden rule, it's a tough balancing act when you're also competing to get your points across. We catch up with Rodrigo right afterwards.