 But it's also like, what are we doing with that discourse other than just running in circles? Are you hearing from people on the right or that might have a more conservative point of view that you think people on the left should consider and vice versa? Are you seeing, especially around the poverty debate, this kind of missed opportunity where because we are so polarized right now, there's kind of something that's missing, like where we're not hearing each other that we should be.