 The other question I was asked was just what was it like? What was the human element of this? What was it like dealing with desperate people trying to flee their country with their lives in a carrier bag? What was it like for the people on the ground? And what was it like for the soldiers who'd invested so much for so little over that 20 years? You are very candid about the degree of trauma that you felt and that many of those around you felt.