 So you have certain groups that have been through this transformation. And sometimes also they de-escalate. There are examples of groups where the leader said, I am God. Everyone has to do what I say. We'll live in a commune. And then at some point he says, well, no, I don't think that's a good idea. Just do what you want, you know, and I'm not really God or something. You've misunderstood. Why would a leader de-escalate and give up power?