 His conversations with his vice president might or might not be official, and it's fact-specific. And there are certain conversations like those with state election officials that probably are not official because the president has no power to convene special meetings of state legislatures. And yet, each of those conclusions is open to challenge and has to be decided by lower court judges. And that's why the dissenters say, in practice, this is going to make it very difficult to prove even purely unofficial acts