 Our Asia-Pacific regional editor is Mickey Bristow, and he joins us now. So very strong words from China, Mickey. But is NATO's criticism justified? Well, there is certainly a disconnect between what China says and what it does. And I'll give you just a couple of examples. Firstly, there's trade with Russia. Over the last couple of years since Russia invaded Ukraine, that trade has increased massively. So China is buying oil and gas from Russia.