 Really? That's an outcome you entertain? They're getting older. Since the case started, they've gotten to be middle-aged and older men. And prison is hard life. And Aisha, when Connell calls this important work, he says he's talking about making a record of what happened on 9-11 and a record of what happened in the U.S. torture program. So these lawyers keep pushing ahead, even though trial seems increasingly unlikely. That's NPR's Sasha Pfeiffer. Thank you so much. You're welcome.