 who introduced himself to me. He said his name was Jim Warner. And he then told me that he had recently gotten out of the Navy and he had obtained two PhDs. And I looked at this huge guy who was like 6'6", I don't know, 250. You know, I mean, this guy was really built. And I said to myself, geez, he's got to be a Navy SEAL to be like this huge and that smart.