 Desiree is one of the women that Kat learned to live with her in the US. And she wrote a book about her experiences called At Searching for Desiree. So what we did was we translated some extracts and used an actor to voice them. At the time that she was consulting with Kat, she was living in Germany. And she says for years she was having these life coaching sessions. I found comfort in her words. It was like therapy for me.