 Well, my guest is Emily Nussbaum, who reminds us that Fenton Bailey tried to pitch a show with Donald Trump, and he said he wasn't interested in television. The book is Cue the Sun, the Invention of Reality TV. I can't thank you enough for doing this, Emily. Thank you. Thank you so much for having me. It was great talking to you. New Yorker staff writer Emily Nussbaum won the 2016 Pulitzer Prize for TV Criticism. Her new book, Cue the Sun, the Invention of Reality TV, looks at that genre from both sides now.