 we wouldn't be debt-free, and we want to live debt-free. So we do go see them, so that's not a problem. So buy some airline tickets and just head over there, and life's good. You've got a copy of the trust. You could go get legal advice, and it depends on how it's worded, honestly. The weird thing about an irrevocable trust is it may be revocable. It's depending on who's where in the thing, how it's in charge, who's in charge, that kind of stuff.