 Can I take you back to that moment, something you said earlier about a losing mentality? Can you describe to me what that looks like? When you sit down with a team of players and you feel like these guys just don't have the desire to win, what does it look like? And that's also their culture a little bit. Happy-go-lucky. I always wondered why do these guys, their amateurs, come back knowing they get their heads handed to them? Why do they continue to compete?