 with demonology? Yeah. Yeah. Uh, George, uh, that's all they, they, they ate, breathe and slept, uh, paranormal. Uh, when I first met Ed, it was in 1979 at the university of Connecticut at the Jorgensen auditorium. Uh, I just had started dating Judy, their daughter, probably about a month prior. And she said to me one day,