 under uh then president barack obama into his own presidency so i think you've seen her study and really understand the way that uh that dc works in a way that she didn't understand before because she had only been in uh dc for two to three years before or excuse me two years before running for her own campaign and then of course joining biden's on so i think it's a vastly different uh person from what i see with my own eyes of course when you talk to her own aides or when i do