 And they talk about being in his presence and how he would be able to sometimes read their mind. And they had experiences of bliss and they learned how to meditate. So the leader has somehow this ability to create this very strong alternative family of people who are dedicated to bringing about the vision. Of course, you have people who drop out because they can't take it. And then they sort of complain about it as being a cult that screwed up their life, of course.