 You don't just it's a tough it's a tough area to get into because you're going to get laughed at no matter what. It's a tough area to get into. So I still think even though maybe they haven't or seen anything, I still think there's something in them deep where maybe they have had things happen and why they have the desire. Because, you know, it's inside you. You can't get rid of it when you get into this kind of thing. You're either into it or you're not.