 Well now I suppose when I think about the natural world I think like sometimes the best thing we can do is to leave it alone. It's not the most important thing that my children or I get to go and see whales close up. The most important thing is that we, you know, live responsibly and try and find meaning and connection and joy with the land and the wildlife that we're in. I guess knowing they're out there, you know, that they exist.