 I don't know that I've ever met a politician where I felt there was a bigger gap between the sort of charisma on the stump and the charisma around a table than Kamala Harris. Clinton had that dimension to her too, but you know, Harris is like, she's extremely warm and magnetic and profane, much more so than a lot of politicians who I know. You actually would want to have a beer with her. You'd like want to go to the barbecue or the party she hosted. But you don't see that version of her out in public all that often.