 it's, it's testing out the water to see, okay, do we enjoy this? Is this fun? Uh, what did we learn? But like start small is what I would say, but it, but quickly that returned. I mean, it's, it has shocked me over real well. Well, and, and others, I'm like, it's just, it is a, it's a fun thing, but again, you have to love it and that's his job and that's what he enjoys and you know, all of that, but there's a sharp learning curve with it. But if you can get it and