 Okay, so that is one example. But you call climate change, in contrast, so far has been the, quote, wrong kind of crisis. What do you mean by that? Climate change isn't quite like a pandemic. It's not an immediate crisis in that sense that we can act on after it happens. We need to act before, and it's not like a war. So what we need is to think about this disruption nexus model to try and get these three corners of the triangle in place. So fundamentally,