 um as far as the reaction to it with you know the lefties like on msnbc rachel maddow's bringing in david pluff obama's guy you know president obama's campaign manager in 2008 david pluff is with us david i know you have been talking uh to some muckety mucks in democratic politics including what we generally call the donor class um what was your personal david pluff take on what you saw tonight and what are you hearing from the people you've been speaking with