 You know, and there's so many thinkers who have denied the intelligence of other animals in any meaningful way, you know, from Descartes to the Stoics to, you know, many Christian theologians and famously Rene Descartes and then on up into the present day. But I think something that gets overlooked is that there have also been a great many thinkers who argued against that and said, no, no, no, no, clearly.