 If we don't pay, are you still going to protect us? I said, absolutely not. They couldn't believe the answer. One of several comments made by the former president to the horror of NATO supporters. Earlier this year, the EU Commissioner Thierry Breton recounted a story of a meeting in 2020 with Mr Trump and the EU chief Ursula von der Leyen. And Donald Trump said to Ursula, you need to understand that