 And so I've been fortunate to bring together through these other top scientific teams a lot of information that informs us about the past fire regimes, particularly cultural uses of fire. And if those are things we want to emulate today, then we need to work with tribes and reinstate that. And particularly as a broader society, how do we learn to live with wildfire? And some have a little bit of healthy fear, but also reverence for it in a way that we're going to be a fire-smart or fire-wise society.