 uh realm of thought and so part of what vance is doing i think when he points to intellectuals like teal and others is he's signaling to a certain group of people that he's up on the latest thinking you know he's one of them he's in this world he's he's hip to the latest trends you know and and the degree to which he's deriving concrete policy descriptions from any one of these people be it teal or be it yarvan or be it the other intellectuals he's thinking to thinking about