 they remember it differently and pat has remembered this differently over time she i spoke to her for the for the book and unfortunately she died about a year and a half ago and we had wonderful conversations about it but i will say the thing they share is that they felt like this was going to be first of all that it was not going to be a big deal they just thought it was they were making a documentary about family life for pbs this show this station they knew nothing about they were in california they also thought it was going to be very high-minded