 And he just, you could tell he was beaming. As a matter of fact, there was a moment when he was talking about the grandkids, his grandson and granddaughter, and talking about what a great golfer she was. She couldn't even, she can barely lift the club, but she's got a great swing. And he was just really proud of his grandkids, like he was a grandpa. You don't see that with Joe Biden.