 And her confidence was just something that I didn't have. Like, I didn't ask for things I wanted or advocated for myself. And I just saw her just be able to do that with such ease. Like, she could just say, this is what we're going to do. It's this confidence that landed Norma the job in the first place. Here's Norma talking to Iowa PBS in 1999, the year of the Last Supper sculpture. Duffy, I want to ask you about how you got started making butter sculpture.