 yeah it was a real thrill uh speaking to brian laura i remember when i was a kid he was uh one of the guys you would always hear your caribbean friends talking about a real icon so it was a real thrill to speak to him and just get an insight into his mindset you know i thought it was really fascinating was how focused he was on the mental side of it and the mental strength and the resilience and where that came from because when i grew up watching cricket watching him play