 was falsified and it was all very controlled. But as she was denying things, we'd obviously seen evidence to the contrary. So when Joelle and I were mentioning, almost challenging her, really, with what we've seen, that's really when we kind of got to see the real side of Kat, because she became a lot more hostile, a lot more aggressive. And I definitely saw how some of these women would feel afraid of someone like this.