 And when you're thinking about this as a lower turnout election, that is most likely when you talk to all the turnout experts because there's unfavorable ratings that are so high for both of these men. When you have one party that's as galvanized as it is now, even anecdotally talking to a lot of folks that I know who generally vote conservative but maybe weren't fired up about Trump, when Saturday night happened, my phone was blowing up with people saying, we're going to crush Joe Biden this fall. And there really wasn't that sort of energy there.