 They called the go road, the gas gate for G to Orleans O road was going from the coast to the interior. And that was going through the very sacred high country, what is now the Siskiyou Wilderness Area of those national forests. That was a very sacred place to us. My father was training and learning from elders. I was taken along that. So I grew up within that controversy of the Forest Service. I remember being with my crude grandfather in a horse trailer and getting cedar trees to be able to build dance houses and other ceremonial structures and having run-ins of law enforcement.