 without the physical there. In fact, you're observing usually your own body as you're looking. If you're standing outside your body, looking down at your body, how can you have that experience if you're depending on your physiology for it? So a lot of people, like I said, try to rationalize this by using physical phenomena. And I'm on the other side of the fence. I'm saying, look, no, there's a non-physical phenomena going on here. I call it a hyperbig cloud. You know, this mental...