 Well, I mean, I think oak is present in a wine, and through tasting wine and tasting with others that are better at tasting wine, you can distinguish oakiness in a wine. So I do think that it is subjective to a point, just like art is, but there are art critics and people out there who can say, oh, look at this breaststroke and the way that they painted and the way that they did that. So I do think that there is discernible difference in wine, and I think...