 he essentially said, well, why don't you take that issue? Why don't you take it on? And she's kind of silent for a moment. And after the meeting, she approaches Clayne and says, I'm really happy to be engaged on this, but I was sort of throwing those things out there in the hopes that someone else could take them on and not me, because it is just a completely no-win issue. I mean, to the extent that you can say,