 She sounded a bit upset that nobody would fund her work on doubting the protective effects. I heard her out. Who told him that she had a lot of doubts about this research that he thought was so sound. The idea there were sick quitters. So Fillmore focused on how the data had been categorized in these studies. And she told him that they often included a category of people called abstainers, people who didn't drink. But that this category also included a group of people who drank and stopped.