 So I needed that to be part of the landscape of the novel, because it's part of the landscape of all of our lives, and especially, I think, in prairie cities. But I did not want to glorify, as Catherine said, these men at all. I also wanted to take away a little of the mystery of it. Like, a lot of the time, it's like, oh, a monster, a monster. And it's like, well, no, actually, it was a human being. It's a person who made choices and decisions. And to Catherine's point as well, probably a lot of other people, like police and police