 So this is the problem. How do you engage, how do you support the population of Afghanistan without supporting and strengthening and legitimising the Taliban, as long as they're not prepared to change their behaviour? So where we're at is that the UN, the United Nations, is convening a series of meetings based in Doha. The third one of those meetings took place at the beginning of this month. It was a step forward in that the Taliban actually showed up, which they hadn't done for the second of those meetings.