 So you might let someone move into another role within the company for 90 days, sometimes it's up to a year, but then you go back to your old position. But that can give you a taste of something new, helps you refine your skills. That's one way companies are addressing this. Another company, this is the insurer Allstate, they're doing something where they've turned their recruiters, who would normally spend a lot of their time trying to woo candidates to a company, people from the outside, they've actually turned them inward. And so they're having 20-minute to hour-long career conversations with lots of people internally.