 And this is like, this is awkward. And this can be contentious with your neighbors. And this can cause some friction in your life. But this is what it means to be a poverty abolitionist. So these are a few ways that I've struggled with, that I've wrestled with. I haven't figured everything out. But I think that there is something very meaningful about trying to divest from poverty in our daily life and kind of talk to people about it. You've done a ton of these interviews. What frustrates you about the conversation you're having?