 When they look at the other horrors in the world, greater horrors, what is the problem that they can't live together? And if you want to divide it simplistically along Catholic, Protestant, orange, green, but there's a deeper thing, and I think it's about having humanist values, genuinely humanist values. Finding the humanity. Either side in each part and seeing the difficulties and all that and reaching out. Because if you don't, I mean, the integrated education fund, the IEF, is very, very important to the future of the North. It's about integrated education.