 Van Jones was talking about this is bad for the country. This is terrible for the country. Ideological nationalist. If somebody says I'm a white nationalist, now I hear you. I'm a black nationalist, I hear you. I'm a Hispanic nationalist, I hear you. But if you say you're a nationalist, nationalism is a positive. It's not a pejorative. It never has been a negative. I don't get, do they think they're winning anybody over, do you think? I think they do. I think they're trying to, yes.