 That debate, it was one of those instances, who do you believe, the White House or your lying eyes? I mean, the American people saw Joe Biden there, and it confirmed all of the things that Republicans, in a very concerted effort, were saying about Joe Biden, that he was diminished, that he was frail. And I think a lot of reporters and a lot of Democratic operatives who were taking the White House at their word and putting their necks on the line, backing up what the White House was saying and treating it as a legitimate kind of a view,