 I didn't think it was sexual, I just thought it was, it was just, it was affection. I was like, if I go any further, I was going to be wrong. John is a little hard to hear and he's elusive. He says that he didn't think it was sexual, that he just thought it was affection, and that if he went any further, it was going to be wrong. A warning that this section contains graphic descriptions and it could be triggering to listen to, especially for survivors of abuse.