 But they also have a concerted policy short of Article 5, short of military aggression against NATO allies. Interference in elections, cyber attacks, espionage, sabotage. So that's why at this summit, the leaders of NATO will be taking measures to protect us, not only from military peril, but also from its massive hybrid concerted attacks against our interests. And what would that look like? What kind of bulwark against security attacks, specifically by Russia, look like?