 As they talk, Lorraine and Chelsea are trying to figure out if they can trust Ritting and count on the church for help. Are we recording this by chance? Mm-hmm. Yeah, do you have a problem with that? Well, I think that I don't have a problem. I hope that we can trust each other a little bit more than... I would love that, but I have to tell you, this experience of the past year of working with attorneys is that anything that wasn't recorded did not happen or wasn't said. So I've learned to start doing that.