 Jin Sun Bo was a well-known personality in the gun world. He had a TV show. He had a column in gun magazines. He was just a well-known guy. This was in the early 2000s or late 2000s, around 2006, 2007, when the gun is just sort of taking off and the gun industry is still getting sort of comfortable with this weapon itself. He sort of came out and said, I don't think this is a good gun for hunting. It's still sort of a controversial point, whether the AR-15 is