 It was literally, I think, maybe a week or 10 days after we interviewed Mitch that he was charged. And so I'm sure if we had waited, he wouldn't have talked to us at all. But at that time, he was happy to promote a book that he had just published. Muta Ali takes us behind the scenes of the making of his HBO documentary, Movie Pass, Movie Crash. But first, we banter. Stick around. It's The Business from KCRW.