 I don't think most of the people who watched that debate came away saying, that's the guy I want to have as my president. So the reason I'm parsing this is that I don't think Biden, I don't think Trump gained votes, but I do think Biden lost votes. Jeffrey Engel is director of the Center for Presidential History at Southern Methodist University. Jeffrey, thanks for walking us through all this. Can we talk about something fun next time? I would like that too.