 And they try to suppress these thoughts. Oh, don't think about this again, not this. Why does it keep coming back to my mind? And then they want to neutralize them by saying, well, maybe if I touch the counter five times, or maybe if I pray, or maybe if I count, I'll get rid of these thoughts. Of course, that doesn't work. It backfires. And the person realizes that the person hasn't detached themselves from reality. They know the thoughts may be very unrealistic.