 It would be chaotic, but it would retake, it would re-spark essentially an excitement about the democratic side of the equation. And that's a very strong view here in Aspen right now. But there are others that say you will lose the black vote, you will lose communities of color, you will lose a lot of women if you disrespect Kamala Harris and what she's done in the last four years. So there's a deep divide in that, but those are essentially the two perspectives that I'm getting here.