 And then this war. So Egyptian mediators are actually expressing pessimism this week about these talks. And they describe them as extremely fragile because, again, there's a lot of questions over what happens at the Rafah crossing between Egypt and Gaza. Will people be allowed to go to areas that Israel currently occupies and controls access to? Will Israel withdraw its troops? All of those are still issues that have to be worked out. All right. NPR international correspondent to Ava Turawi. Thank you so much. Thanks so much, Lisa. You're listening to here and now.