 and what i have to say sam is really the reason why the show came to life because i don't do things unless there's a check or a contract already and sam was like oh we had so much fun on my show in npr people loved it and people did love it yeah um and he was like let's do a soundcloud and i was like i'm not a rapper i'm not doing a soundcloud demo and he did it and people just loved it and it kind of took off from there i know this is a hard thing to describe about your own work but