 in that sense that we all need to see ourselves. We need to imagine ourselves. I actually love allegory, but to have a life where you had to only write in allegory, it's the recent past, but thank God it's past. My guests today, outside the Houses of Parliament here in central London, Armin Kihelic and John McTernan. More to come from them in our next hour. You're with Weekend from the BBC World Service.