 With today's guilty verdict, Kirshkovich faces a 16-year prison sentence. And he's not the only American caught up in a similar situation. Former U.S. Marine Paul Whelan has been detained in Russia based on trumped-up charges since 2018. And there's also Alsu Kurmacheva, a Russian-American journalist with Radio Free Europe Radio Liberty who's been in Russian custody since October of last year. I spoke with her husband Pavel Butorin.