 Neal Chapman is with Flagstaff's fire department and served on a federal wildfire commission last year that also identified workforce size as a key barrier. The Forest Service can't do it alone. Our local partners can't do it alone. He agrees that good success metrics are essential, saying that it's not the number of acres you burn, but burning the right acres that counts. For the Mountain West News Bureau, I'm Murphy Woodhouse. To find more of the day's news at KNPR.org. I'm Dave Becker with KNPR News.