 He met with Pastor David Wilkerson, who founded the non-denominational church. "'You are not Mark Gastineau anymore,' Wilkerson told him. "'You are now a child of God.'" In 2005, he met a realtor who didn't know anything about him. "'Wait until you read about me,' he told her. "'I'm not in the Hall of Fame. I'm in the Hall of Shame.'" She read about him and then came to believe he wasn't Mark Gastineau anymore."