 when you refuse to face an issue head on. And it's the health care, or excuse me, the mental health issue that is the problem. We'll break this down a little more, and we are joined at the bottom of the hour by my friend Sergeant Betsy Brantner-Smith, National Spokesperson for the National Police Association, on this declaration of a health crisis around guns. At the bottom of the hour, I'm Leland Conway, in for the great Joe Paggs on the Joe Paggs Show.