 US Navy submariners were encountering these USOs all the time. Now, they're quite well known now, because of course, since the upsurge in interest in the whole UFO, UAP topic, everyone's talking about not only things in the sky, but things under the waves. But back then, they were really, that was a sort of unknown thing, and that really opened my eyes to, wow, okay, right, then we really do have an issue with stuff that is