 So it's kind of a rise and fall story. But one thing I will say is as innovative as Chuck Barris was, he was also a ripoff artist. I mean, the shows he created were actually versions of shows that started out on radio. And of course, that's the nature of TV. People just imitate things. But basically, there was a show called Blind Date on radio that also had a wall where people would flirt with soldiers, and he just sexed it up. And then he kept amping up that thing. I talked to his producer, and his producer was talking to me about