 on democracy this straight up defiance from joe and likely jill and hunter puts democrats in a tight spot no doubt they've got to figure out how to make joe go away quietly and he's gonna kick and scream the whole way maybe even bite they'll still do it democrats are cutthroat they will get rid of him it's just become a lot messier of a process and when they finally duck and weave their way out of the joe problem well they'll still be left to deal with the kamala