 Hello, good to have you with us. It is 606 GMT and this is Weekend Live on the BBC World Service. I'm Krupa Bhatti. Thank you for your company. And I'm also in the fine company of my guests for the next couple of hours. Alpa Shah, Professor of Social Anthropology at the London School of Economics here in the UK. And Samantha de Benden, an Associate Fellow at the Chatham House Foreign Relations Think Tank as she specialises in