 reaching out your arm with the palm up to sort of ask for something to beg for something giving that kind of shoe shoe motion and it means the same for chimps as it does for us which is get lost basically putting your arm up in the air but some gestures would be well i mean i'm not going to say we never do them but probably much less likely to so giving like a big loud scratch which might mean both groom me but also actually means let's travel let's go