 true all-ages space that was not like a house venue and that didn't feel institutional like a university or a museum might feel. Funkhauser and associate director Alana Bergland also attribute part of Holland's creation to Reno's underground music scene. And it was sort of born out of other venues not always being able to survive. You know, there was stuff on 4th Street, there was stuff downtown, and venues that lasted for various years, but...