 was was one of the people who came out against him he was of course known for for having you know what he would call a humbug there's different things that were not real but he would also be more you know he would claim that that he wouldn't claim that these things were real he let the public decide basically but he didn't like what mumler was doing so he came out and against him kind of saying that hey anyone can do this and he'd have photographers do the same thing with with portraits of him so it would show that this thing could be done