 You folks at home, how many of you got up this morning and had an empty chair at the kitchen table because someone died of COVID? He knew kind of how to play off of Trump and how to poke fun at Trump and get Trump flustered. The format of the debate itself four years ago lent itself to making that visible, that contrast pretty obvious, because Trump just spent that whole time talking over Biden, stumbling over himself, muttering, mumbling, kind of reacting.