 which is so i mean so grim for all the reasons we discussed and also this is such a weird campaign in part because both of these people have been president and so i think a lot of voters not unreasonably feel like they know what they're getting with these two candidates which is maybe why the content of the this doesn't even matter as much as it would a normal presidential debate and that they're they're obviously policy issues to discuss trump will face a very different economy than he'd last time if he's president different policy same policies with different consequences that sort of thing but ultimately you know i don't