 19 minutes past the hour um helen the next item is potentially particular interest to you um you heard a a little clip at the start of this hour as a marine biologist you've probably had some interest in surfing in fact i know you have you've talked about it on this program before i have yes and i do and i just well i love being on the ocean and in the ocean in any way and surfing is a great way of exercising and enjoying yourself when you're there