 many of us get pretty captivated by just answers about how the world works. And I certainly was one of those. And being out in it as part of those answers was probably pretty soul inspiring in a kid way. And then you go down a scientific path and you just get really focused on trying to find the answers to stuff or trying to solve a problem. And that's all fun. But I didn't really think of it much for quite a while as something that could be more of a source of that