 both candidates. There also is not going to be a live audience there. It's going to be a practically empty studio here in Atlanta with just the two moderators from CNN and maybe some campaign aides. So that will prevent perhaps either candidate from feeding off the crowd and becoming more aggressive when they get the crowd response. So it is expected to be a more restrained atmosphere. Although, as you point out, there's a history between these two men. They don't like each other. And I think that will come across.