 This is Open to Debate. Hi, everybody. I'm John Donvan. And in this episode, we are looking at whether when sex is traded for money, the customers are the ones who should be punished as criminals, not the sellers, which has been the case most places most of the time. Punishing the customer captures a legal approach known as the Nordic model. It started in Sweden 25 years ago. It's being adopted in several countries in at least one U.S. state. It holds that the payer for sex – and payers are overwhelmingly men –