 And then there, you know, there are two sides to that coin. Sometimes when you're too enmeshed in doing the same thing, you don't, you don't bring enough difference to each other and you don't, you don't get enough space from a special your kind of work life. And, you know, the former wasn't a problem for us, but, but we would go through times where we just would say, wait a minute, we need to stop talking about this and do something more normal.