 who ends up becoming general manager much later, she was dodging us for a very long time. She only really was interested in participating after she was promoted and started to endure a lot of the verbal abuse that George would hurl towards her. And I think for her, it became sort of about, I guess, having someone bear witness. It was almost a form of protection that there were people documenting this and that eventually someone would see this sort of behavior that was coming from George.