 i just want to clarify i think they would agree and you know this is absolutely not part of the ritual and the whole religion it aspires to achieve you know perfection right or we're encouraged to do ihsan which is you know try to reach the perfect level but we can never sit here on your show and say that all muslims are perfect imperfect people also get through and you know attend and do things that they're not supposed to do but i had this exact conversation with my 18 year old daughter