 And then they'll get into the nitty gritty of the debate itself. And I would expect Joe Biden to do what he did at the State of the Union, which has come out very strong and impressed a lot of folks. And this is the trap the Republicans have laid for themselves, is that they've lowered the expectations. They've gone so deep into Biden's age and attacking him on that and whether or not he'll make mistakes. And I think that's a problem because he's going to exceed those expectations very quickly within the first 10, 15 minutes or so. And I think that's where the debate will be won.