 Um, sometimes kind of look down on them, um, at least aspects of them and didn't think that much about it. And then when I grew older and went through some of the, you know, some of what you just described, I, you know, both can absolutely be and are, um, just a source for comfort for people, a source of the kind of answers we're looking for to live happier, better lives, to connect with our community, all of that. And so I see a lot more parallels now than I used to.