 Remember that gig he did where he was just a band member at the Aragon Ballroom in Chicago, backing Chaka Khan and Larry Graham. And he was just in the background, being a band member, playing bass, as I recall. And he loved it. And at his concerts, you'd never see him. I mean, he'd pick up the guitar, but I saw an entire show where he never once touched his guitar. And people were going, well, how did he play the guitar? Well, he did all this other stuff while he was up there.