 and they also have it where you can then get sleeves, like a PVC sleeve in white or brown, and just slide it right over the post and then get a PVC railing on top of that. Gotcha, gotcha. What about I've seen where, I don't even know what you call it, but it's kind of like a half-inch or so, you know, it looks like black iron rod straight. Mm-hmm.