 a lot of glum democrats i think after tonight you'll see in the coming days they'll be looking anxiously at how the polls reflect this and this is the kind of moment these kind of moments where where voters really start to take notice of an election campaign that can drag on for 18 months and they won't be happy i think the democrats for the way joe biden presented himself tonight he didn't look like a man who was across every brief and he didn't look like a man who had a sort of foot firm grasp on where he was going next