 they can impose all sorts of civil penalties on you, which, of course, are effectively the same thing as a crime. And if you refuse to pay, then you're going to jail. And if you break out of the jail, you're going to get shot. So government coercion is always under, it's always, they might use all sorts of verbiage to make it sound like it's some sort of, you know, informal process of democracy. But the government only has its power because it can throw you in jail and take your things and even kill you.