 But his thing was that he said that he felt sorry for Joe, and I said I don't feel sorry for him. I do understand that there's a lot of folks out there that do feel sorry for him because they do say that this is literally elder abuse, and there was a time. There was a time when people said this is elder abuse, and they said it in sort of a joking way. But now people are not laughing. People are recognizing this for what it is.