 it was unquenchable and, um, and he had always had, I think a, a, um, a kind eye on it all. He could see the folly. He could see the errors. He could make fun of it in a good natured way, but he also was, was very much attentive to the way things worked and how to try to get things done. Um, so that was, those are some of the reasons why both my own background, but then teaching Franklin,