 And you can join the listeners who are there now. If you're listening in the future to a podcast or archived version of the show, go to tectonic.fm. That's a website address to tectonic.fm and click on the playlist link for the July 15, 2024 show. But for now, let's go ahead and listen to my interview with 404 Media's Jason Kebler here on Tectonic on WFMU.