 And I guess he needed stuff to do when he was into music, so he started this magazine called Spin. And it actually turned out to be a really good magazine, a really good music magazine in the 80s. And maybe in the 90s, I don't know. I think I stopped reading it by then. And I don't know if it's still around. It might be. Does anybody know if Spin magazine is still around? Maybe they're online or something. But anyway, they put out these radio concert shows