 folks run with uh... former arizona state attorney general mark burn a bitch in general my question here is i was reading an article that um... had a quote from mike davis from the article three project and any pointed out that a jury doesn't you know they find guilt but that in and of itself is not a conviction it's a conviction that comes once a sentence happens from the judge so this term that they're using of convicted felonies is presumptuous do you agree with that