 And it's often just as interesting as a story and beautifully acted. It usually doesn't look this gorgeous blown up in a movie screen. This does. Kirk Ellis is the co-writer and co-producer of Franklin, the TV series on Apple Plus. Kirk, thanks for being with us. Thank you. Always good to talk to you. Stay right here for more of the Independence Day special from CBS Newsradio. The preceding program was pre-recorded. WDEL WSTW.