 So that's the interview. I'm going to play this now. If you want to join in the live listener chat, go to wfmu.org, click playlists and comments. And if you're listening in the future, you can go to tectonic.fm, T-E-C-H, tonic.fm, and go to the July 1st, 2024 show and click the playlist link. Let's go ahead and listen now to my interview with Carissa Velez here on Tectonic on WFMU.