 If you want to involve a software engineer and pay them 1.5 or pay them 2.0, what they're worth, but they only get paid out of the proceeds, and if there are never any proceeds, they get nothing. If it never works, they put in their money for nothing. If they want to join the venture for some extra money, that might be a way to draw somebody in. But the other thing you could do is you just could go make some money, like John said, and then just write somebody a check to have the first round of software engineering done.