 do this to present to law enforcement of potential crimes. And he's on the phone right now, and I'm asking him questions about, well, gosh, if there was this meeting involving Joe Biden in the White House, being knowledgeable of all of this stuff that's going on and how they're going to deal with this in courts and legally, with suing other people and such, I was just wondering, well, who is the source saying that, yes, Joe knew about all of this when he pretends not to?