 And so Wes Moore is the governor of Maryland. Many people say that he could be the next Barack Obama. And so that's part of the question is, OK, so if not Joe Biden, who? And that is where Wes Moore comes in. And he was being interviewed on I think it was CBS over the weekend. Wes Moore was and I played a couple of audio bites earlier. Here's a couple more bites that you I don't believe I played these earlier.