 whether or not he listens is a whole different story this is a stubborn dude and i think the jill factor and this is where i'm i'm throwing this out to the audience because a lot of people say it's joe's ego he wants to he's wanted this his whole life he's always wanted to be president i don't think he's in that state of mind anymore i think this is a jill operation or a hunter operation what do you think we'll take your calls when we come back how's an old guy do that