 and the Obamas, powers to be, Hillary Clinton, they all have their egos. They all have, it's true of Donald Trump, they all have their respective egos. And sometimes, this is something no one's pointing out, and why I think it's interesting that Lou D'Alessandro, leading Democrat, just said on the show, he thinks Biden's going to tough it out, and he knows Joe Biden personally probably better than anyone else here in New England, probably one of them, is sometimes with all those egos in the room,