 But he publicly said this for the first time. People are starting to really turn the corner with Biden. They've kind of bit their tongue for a long time. But Steve Shurtleff hasn't. So it'll be interesting to hear from him. We also have Representative Mike Moffitt from Loudoun who's going to be calling in from the Republican National Convention in Milwaukee. And I look forward to hearing from them. And we will get to former Speaker of the House Steve Shurtleff right after this break.