 Okay, so I've seen, you've seen, the last time I interviewed Joe Biden was when he was a presidential candidate in 2019 going into the 2020 race here in New Hampshire on the crowded field. And I had a 15-minute one-on-one interview with him. And I had met him several times in my years at WMUR-TV when he ran. And I could see a physical and a real change from him. But I should have seen that because he was getting older in age. But that was four years ago.