 the numbers are down from. I'm not making the case either way, but I don't think anybody was blaming Jewel. I think the case, at least of the guest that we had, he was blaming, it seemed that he was blaming Big Tobacco for almost everything that went on and saying that if we don't have vaping, people aren't able to stop smoking cigarettes. I wasn't necessarily looking to argue with the guy because I just wanted to hear what he had to say about it, but I could see how one could argue that for sure to make the case that