 And honestly, having him on there, it would have been great if you were able to call while we had him on. That would have been a good juxtaposition to what he was talking about. I tend to believe that the numbers are probably down from 2019 because I haven't seen any news reports about young people getting these catastrophic lung illnesses like we saw in 2019 when that was actually happening and they went after Juul. And I'm not saying that Juul was primarily responsible for this stuff.