 biden and harris been 11 days since that great debate or the infamous debate or the disastrous debate whatever you want to define it 11 days and democrats nationally and maybe locally are still debating should joe biden go or should he stay and it's a pretty awkward debate to be having at this point but it's real and it's going on as and even maureen dowd is an interesting piece in the new york times this morning her piece and of course she comes from the liberal side of life