 Now, it's probably very tempting for Kamala to jump ship because some people out there, some people said something. They're kind of on Team Kamala. They think maybe she has a better shot at this. Jen Psaki, who was before KJP took over and became the star press secretary that she is today, Jen Psaki was the OG. This is what Jen Psaki had to say on her podcast, not her Toddcast, Taylor. This was her podcast.