 And that is, of course, going to impact earnings as well. So that's not good. Obviously, Joel Anderson leaving, and it was very quick. I don't know that really anybody expected it, and he's just leaving to pursue other interests. It makes you wonder what those other interests are, if there wasn't something else more behind this. But it is nice to know, I mean, Kenneth Bull, the chief operating officer, is going to jump in there as the interim CEO. And then Tom Velios, one of the co-founders of the business, will play the role of