 Yeah, and another thing they said was, this was in one of the ones where someone was talking, texting back and forth with one of the jurors, and so I guess this is kind of hearsay, so this is not as direct as the juror talking to Jackson, but they said that they were intimidated when the, they called them the Higgins, but they meant the Alberts showed up in court that day, that the entire jury was intimidated by Brian Albert just sitting there staring at them.