 and I'm talking my mother and my father's family, other than my dad, from a four-year college. And when we grew up, when times were more normal and people had less, and you had three or four kids or two or three kids, not every kid... Now, you shouldn't have said then to your kid, you're not four-year college material, but a lot of parents did, including people close to me, not my parents, but friends.