 I mean, that kid is dumb as rocks. We didn't hear him testify. You heard him testify. They sent two words out. He had to have every word explained to him. I don't think he understands the severity of any of this. They made him come. They probably gave him a free lunch at the end of the day out of it. And Collins said, okay, I'll do it. That was by design. They brought the three most controversial McAlbers.