 And that's the kind of charisma. Forget about the politics of this. That's the kind of charisma that Donald Trump has, that those people around him, he has the ability to garner unbelievable loyalty. The other question I asked is, is Giuliani at all remorseful or at least feels bad for himself and lost everything as a result of his actions politically? And I was told, nope, he's going down as a true believer.