 the leadership, and I was part of the leadership at that time, we were talking about what we wanted to do, what we wanted to see happen in the church. Programs and different things. We wanted to see the church grow up. And then at one point, one of the head pastors said, I think we've got this backwards. And we're like, what do you mean? Yeah, we're talking about all these other... He goes, how can you build a church if the foundation is crumbling?