 uh let's see nobody wants to eat with a dog okay yeah and i mean i understand that that uh there are some people who don't but you know a lot of people have dogs and the dogs are sitting in the kitchen table eating with them so personal preference i guess to some degree but in a business yeah well i can see where that can be a problem i got these locking pliers from my grandfather he was born in 1901 so not sure how he acquired them that's a that's a nice looking that is amazing really