 It really, really is. When you boil it down, it really is the same argument. But one of the things that I discovered, I went to Mayville State and I finished my bachelor's degree after 17 years. It really did take me that long to finish a bachelor's degree. I mean, in and out of school. And I did get one of those useless pieces of paper. And my degree was in bachelors of university studies. I went long enough. They finally kicked me out and gave me a piece of paper.