 I enlisted to be an engineer because they went in and the recruiter talked to me. He said, hey, he says, you know, you've got this degree in mechanical design. He says, you've been working for the city of Flint. And my boss in the city, I was a draftsman, and he taught me how to survey. So I was a surveyor. I mean, not licensed or anything, but I knew how to do it. And so they sent me to Detroit for an interview with a full colonel who was at that time, I didn't realize it, but he's with the Corps of Engineers.