 if he's a new employee. He's getting onboarded. He's learning a brand new team. And of course, he knows the companies. It comes in a little bit easier. But he said it's been something where he's learning every day now. And he said he will go back to his old job with a new set of skills. He's done something different. He feels like he's stretching and growing and progressing. And so it can be really valuable.