 We can have to say repeatedly in 1858... And, Larry, we went over this again and again. That's a very hard recipe to mix, and yet Lincoln accomplished it. Oh, yeah. See, that's right. So, Douglass' argument was, the country is founded on the white basis. Some of us don't like slavery. We don't have to have it. We can just make it up ourselves. But it's a morally neutral question. It's according to your preferences.