 Or Gretchen Whitmer, frankly, who I think actually polls perhaps a little bit better than Josh Shapiro, just because she's a more well-known name. They'd have to engage in a process of raising Shapiro's name ID. He's not well-known yet. But either one of them would be a formidable presence on the debate stage. And who knows who Donald Trump picks and whether they're a seasoned candidate or campaigner. If you pick Marco Rubio, I suspect we have even better than even odds.