 and saying, well, I think we need to be more in it for ourselves and less in it for collectively. So you tear that up. Now we're moving into a whole different stage because then you end up having the unraveling period. And we've seen that in the last 15 years, 20 years. And now there's a lot of sociologists that are talking about this and saying, okay, I think we're moving into a period of crisis.