 That's terrible. But yes, I know what you mean. 775-5559. Dexter writes in and says, Aaron, what do you think of how Trump treated Mike Pence and his vice president? Pence was loyal throughout Trump's term, and when he refused to decertify the election, Trump threw him under the bus. Anyone who is Trump's VP is just a puppet. They will have no real influence as Trump doesn't take advice and guidance from any of his leaders.