 But as we talk about Dr. Jill and her appearance on Vogue and Katie Pavlich's hot take that there's just no way to get this dude off the ballot. OK, the conversation shifts to how does this age? I'm not talking about Biden. We've seen how he we have seen how he's aged. I mean, Biden is such a disaster. But when it comes to the first lady, I don't think that the people in that inner circle are.