 But I think we can get through this interview in a way that maybe we'll share with your listeners a little bit more about Maduro. And I do want to comment. I was listening on my way over. President Jerry, the North Dakota Cowboy Hall of Fame. I had the pleasure of being there a couple of years ago. They unveiled a beautiful portrait of Sakakawea painted by a native painter, David Borlaug, our friend and neighbor. He had a comment. He spoke that evening. He said, you know, he