 But he converted to Catholicism, I believe, because in the part of the country he raised in, he very likely may have been of an Anglican bend. And that's important because this is all going to get brought up as he's going to be one of these crazy Catholics who's going to want to bring us back to some fundalistic movement. Hogwash, I say. 775-5559. You're with Mark Ewins. Go ahead, please.