 debating and conversing on the important issues of the day. TR at the time is a young elected member of the New York General Assembly, a Republican. Halfway through the night, Gregor Lang would offer to switch opinions and adopt the opposite of his own because he enjoyed the company and the conversation. And isn't that a way that you test your own beliefs and understandings and your own knowledges? Test it from the other perspective. I think we need to do a show with that one day. I'll...