 There's two of these clips. I'm going to play one of them for you. This is Helena Humphrey. She is an anchor with BBC News, and she's having a discussion with Jonathan Cornicus. He's a former spokesperson for the IDF. Listen to this. But, Jonathan, we don't know that they were necessarily complicit with Hamas, all of the casualties that were incurred. There are reports of women, of children who are among the dead. It is...