 the numbers are down from i mean i'm not making the case either either way but i don't think anybody was blaming jewel i think they're the the case that at least of the guest that we had he was blaming it seemed that he was blaming big tobacco for almost everything that went on and saying that you know if if we don't have vaping people aren't able to stop smoking cigarettes again i wasn't necessarily looking to argue with the guy because i just wanted to hear what he had to say about it uh... but i'd see how one could argue that for sure to to make the case that