 As a member of the New Federalist, as a Republican, in the late 90s, he was... Pardon? I did not know that. Do you know much about... Okay, yeah. He was a... Do you know he was a speaker at the John Birch Society's council dinner at one time? Hmm. Does that sound like the Joe Scarborough that's on TV now? No, not really. People can't... I don't know J.D. Vance's heart.