 i have aired an interview i did originally a decade and a half ago with dr harry jaffa and that interview is is now not appropriate to re-air because not only have i moved to the morning and the timing is all off but dr jaffa has gone to his reward and so we're going to take the best of those hours and spend time with his student dr larry arndt celebrating the fourth of july and dr jaffa and dr arndt would you tell people a little bit about harry jaffa