 But something that I dug into that I found really interesting is that J.D. Vance became a Catholic, converted to Catholicism in 2019. And he said there was a period in his life that after he served in the Marines and when he was in law school at Yale, there was a period of his life that he was an atheist. But he saw the value of organized religion. He saw the value of faith. He saw the hope of those people who had faith.