 And because J.D., his son, came of ill health, he hired Tokir to be his general manager and his liaison to go back and forth between the factory, which is what J.D., his son, was doing. But John, at that point, did not want to, you know, 78 years of age, didn't feel like traveling three times a year over to India and Indonesia, so he needed to have that liaison. And Tokir came here, and I got to meet Tokir and actually room with him because I would go up there one week a month