 It's very aspirational. And an interesting candid moment after that conversation. That was an actual interview. I've got it somewhere. I know. I remember. And after we were done, after he told me it was aspirational, the interview ended, and I said, why do you do this? Because it's very obvious that's not going to happen. So why lay out the credibility of Xcel Energy and saying we're going to do this by 2030 and have all these cutesy commercials saying...