 He, I kind of grew up with him. He was older than I was, but those two guys are smart. I mean, very intelligent, very well, you know, they look at their stuff, they study it. Like the older brother knows a lot about history, knows about the world, knows about like whatever. But this gentleman that called earlier, he, he, obviously you can tell he knows this stuff. He studied it and he, and he basically lays it out there. He doesn't,