 we're not trolling eight rods out there trying to catch salmon you know we're uh we're jigging for these big fish or we're trolling big baits on the bottom you're holding on to the rod and then hold then holding on for deer life generally yeah they have it's not them big noodle rods doing the charters out there getting them across the surface this is a real fight yeah did you have you done some uh some canadian lake trout trips then it looks like you've traveled a little bit