 But his thing was that he said that he felt sorry for Joe. And I said, I don't feel sorry for him. I do understand that there's a lot of folks out there that do feel sorry for him because they do say that this is literally elder abuse. And there was a time there was a time when people said this is elder abuse and they said it in sort of a a joking way. But now people are not laughing. People are recognizing this for what it is.