 And so Pippen was like the guy. And so to me, that's what Jalen Brown kind of developed into. But this time, the voters got it right when it came to picking the most valuable player of the NBA Finals and giving it to Jalen Brown as opposed to Jason Tatum, who's a great player in his own right. Don't get me wrong. But I think Jalen Brown does a few more things on the court that maybe not that Jason Tatum can't do. I just think Jalen Brown does them better, especially like on the defensive end.