 And I actually think that once kids understand how they're being manipulated, when they get a little bit older, like 11th and 12th grade, they get offended, offended that they'd be allowed to gradually have the water get hotter and to be suddenly intolerable. And people have to indeed step in. Here's more of my interview with Jonathan Haidt as he continues to expand on the dangers of social media. We thought it all would be a plus. And in the end, it's doing quite a bit of damage. Let's listen.