 So I'm not sure I would quite say defined, but look, I think it really mattered immensely, and I think it mattered immensely partly because the campaign had been very, and the White House had been very, very protective of President Biden. They hadn't brought him out for the Super Bowl interview, for interviews with mainstream media organizations. They hadn't subjected him to that kind of a grilling. In a way, it's a message to a lot of people.