 that has never happened to the biden operation the entire time i've been involved in it you know i thought barack obama put it best yesterday and i well remember being on sets like this in 2012 after the first debate that he conducted he said bad debates happen okay and bad debates do happen good debates happen as the president said yesterday maybe it wasn't you know maybe he isn't as great a debater as he used to be i would just tend to say it wasn't his greatest debate