 Okay, so he calls in once in a while, and he's very intelligent. Him and his brother, I know, both know a lot of stuff, and they're very articulate. And it would be really interesting, like, I mean, you gave him a lot of time, but those guys, him and his brother, I know who they are. I'm not going to say their names or whatever, but they call in every once in a while. I know you probably pick up on it, too. But...