 Hoven, okay, yeah, and it may have been the Governor Hoven that said it. But I did also hear a mayor, I shall say a mayor of Grand Forks mentioned, a little above the speed limit and you can make all the lights if you start off at the proper ones on the south side. But taking a stoplight out on 2nd, one texter said avoids Grand Forks because there's way too many stoplights. Do we need more? How about, I mean, because traffic control doesn't,