 as humans. And it doesn't matter what age, you know, this, this boy that I'm referring to is a kind of middle school age, right? And so, you know, he has already learned strategies to avoid reading because he doesn't like it because I think deep down he knows there's, there's issues there. And so it's easy to just try to avoid the thing we don't like instead of dealing with the problem. And we learned that at young, young age, right?