 it was all budgeting, you know, come down to budgeting and stuff and dollars and cents. But I had one occasion I used to work for that. I was a ex Pacific bell employee out in California. And I worked down in the financial district right by the gate, the Chinatown. And I was sitting having lunch one day in this, there's a little park there. And I was watching this fella digging into the dumpster and,