 I think he's going to be tough. I do. I think he's going to not settle for a quick answer, check the box. I think he's going to, just for his own credibility and the fact that a lot of this criticism is coming from the left, and typically media, what they'll do, some people are saying, right, when they're interviewing somebody, so they don't look like they're the ones saying it, but there's been a lot of some people saying, you've got to go, Joe. So I think Stephanopoulos has to lean into that tonight in the interview.