 and i think this is an experience a lot of people have had and i think democrats are banking on the fact that now that they push biden out of the race that somehow this is going to uh... bode well for for them to hold on to the black boat and it may very well be having a black woman at the top of their ticket so to get the analysis on this and the opinion of an expert i want to welcome our guest bob woodson he is a civil rights champion