 You know, who themselves have people like General Michael V. Hayden, you know, head of the CIA, head of the NSA, four-star general on their board. Anders Fogh Rasmussen, former head of NATO, is on the board of advisors for NewsGuard. Rick Stengel, the former head of the State Department's Global Engagement Center, is on the board of NewsGuard. Tom Ridge, the former head of DHS. So you have these apex predators of the national security state.