 And just when you're talking about it, ask a person, do you really think a healthy baby carried by a healthy mother in the final months of pregnancy, you really think that baby shouldn't have legal protection? You think they could be aborted just because of choice? These are the challenges we have to give as we discuss these issues. Last question. I'm a cradle Catholic. Yes. I don't always agree with the Pope. And you have been a target of the Pope. Yes. What's the status of that?