 Now, the guy who was basically the head of the analytics division for the National Endowment for Democracy got in a room with Michael Chertoff in May 2017. Michael Chertoff was, of course, with the U.S. Justice Department, but he was also the brains behind the Disinformation Governance Board with Nina Jankovic at DHS. He was also the chairman of Freedom House, which is another one of these large State Department NGOs, and most famously, he was the chairman of BAE Systems.