 and the Panthers turn it down, and talking to the Panthers about it, what they said was, look, if we start giving up our best players, how are we going to build a foundation? And I think what some people felt around the league was that with Brian Burge, he's a good player, very good pass rusher by the way, really good edge rusher, but he's not elite, and that the Panthers really should have taken that deal, and then the deal that the Panthers wound up taking was really way far less than probably he was worth. That was surprising to me that they did not get more for him, to be honest with you.