 He was always very aggressive in those debates. He went after Nikki Haley at a time when it was not popular to be going after Nikki Haley the way he was. And he stood his ground. And it was really quite something. Those two early debates, holy cow, it was like fireworks there. And so I do think he's... Look, he's a young person and he's an innovator. And that's one of the important things that you need because...