 And then you go see the tax professional who says, well, I don't really know much about this whole strategic Roth conversion thing. So you need to go back to the financial professional. And it's like a dog chasing its tail. Folks, remove that monotony. Understand that there are people that actually focus on how to teach you how to pay the legal least amount of taxes. And that's the first piece in our what we call personal wealth blueprint is the tax blueprint.