 needs to be talked about more in that aspect of it i don't know man like that's the philip rivers argument to me where he played for a really long time and he put up a bunch of numbers let me ask you this about frank or did you ever really consider him to be an elite running back like a top three or four running back for a four or five year period of time because all those other guys were talking about barry sanders was probably the best running back for six or seven years