 20 years. 20 years or so. He was a pro for quite a while and then stepped away. So this was like his last little goodbye to swimming. And I think what hit us while we were there is this is over, that this season of our life is finished. So what I'd like to do is to go through a little bit of that time with Michael and then what it means to walk through different seasons and enjoy the fullness of life at the time, not looking back, not looking forward,