 I think that he definitely sees that. And I don't think that he's trying to manipulate things. I think what he's doing is that I'm rejecting these forms, but I'm going to embrace this form. Dr. Dutton Carney, Associate Professor of English at Hillsdale College, as we talk about James Joyce and Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man. Dr. Carney, thanks for joining us here on Bow Radio Free Hillsdale Hour.