 have they ever liked you, Pim? Has this always been a tumultuous relationship? No, honestly, it's been good, but like I said, we've been, we've never kind of, they just, like I said, they don't do... Okay, so you said to them, I don't want this, and now that hurt their feelings. That's where we sit today, correct? Yeah, pretty much. Okay, so what would you think the next, you know...