 But I would say this, Brett Urmark is one of the most thoughtful people about how it's going to work. And I think he's going to be a great person to lead the Big 12 in figuring out where college football is going. I don't think there's any doubt about it when you talk to him and get a sense of it. And I'll go as far as saying this, if he was the commissioner of the Pac-12,