 He said in the back, all of us 20-something-year-olds, I was 30, 30-something-year-old in the car, Herman Cain just sitting back listening. And he had made a statement to say, I don't need to talk a lot. I'm here to learn. I'm here to listen. He's the smartest man in the car, by far. And he's humble enough to say, I'm just listening. And then you hear the story of Herman Cain and all the rest of the stuff. He was such a great man.