 it's very unusual i i'm thinking of my grown kids right now i've got great relationships with uh... they you know run segments of our life our business and i uh... i've been in the room when they try to tell day what to do it's incredible generally doesn't go well it does not go well it's just like i mean i'm you know and even though you know i admit sometimes if they do it three or four times i'll hear it but the first time even and i'm in a room where i'm asking for this but no it's