 But yeah, was actually born in Winston-Salem. Like how Jim Nance is from Mount Holly? Well, no, he actually... Jim Nance's dad's buried in Mount Holly. No, but Jim Nance lived there until he was like one and a half. Yeah, but... It's like he grew up with memories there. Yeah, and he would always come back. His dad was like the postmaster or something. Yeah, and his dad is actually buried in Mount Holly. No, I'm just saying Jim Nance himself didn't grow up... Right, no, no, not at all. But he would always come back and visit the relatives, so...