 Yeah, so it was definitely testy. The kind of early hang-up was kind of interesting. The president had said, I have to go to Mass. I got to go. He goes to church every Saturday. I was actually traveling with him. What was interesting is he told them I have to go to 5 o'clock Mass. The Mass was at 5.30. So we'll see if he actually had to hang up as fast as he did. But according to the people that we've talked to who are on this call or familiar with this call,