 And I know Jim knew him really well because Jim worked a long time with him as well. Yeah, in the newsroom, he said Chicago. He's a big White Sox fan. That happened to be the era where the White Sox won a World Series, so he was excited about that. The one and only time, Mark, that I played disc golf, frisbee golf, I think it was over at Renaissance, was with Mike Doyle. That was among his hobbies was that. So I tried it. I like golf, and I don't dislike frisbee, but I realized about two or three holes, you end up throwing it into the metal chain net or whatever.