 uh... when researching confronting the president's and we've run down all forty five how they helped or hurt the nation i have never seen in any of them more apathetic president than joe biden it might have something to do with his mental decline but he simply does not care so he'll sit there and tell lester holt i don't engage in that kind of rhetoric when it's just a lie but it's a provable lie now holt doesn't follow up