 Welcome back, America. I'm Hugh Hewitt. The Hillsdale Dialogue is underway. All things Hillsdale at hillsdale.edu. All of the prior dialogues collected at hughforhillsdale.com. My guest this week and for many weeks, Dr. Daniel O'Toole, expert on Plato. I want to remind the audience, they may not know this, but Plato's a real person writing about a real time. And this real time is after the 50 years that saw Persia invade Greece.