 they're they're they're willing to own it they're they're owning it oh yeah i mean i think it's i think they're kind of even proud of it and i think it's so important for americans to understand this because as you're saying they're not in this to sort of have a meaningful conversation like for example i think the other things thing that people could have said um to the speech was okay traditional family is great but it's not necessarily for everyone that that could also be a reasonable response right