 in nineteen ninety two and for ten years i did the nightly news and public affairs programming on casey t with pat morrison kerman maddox and we had the first pre-table cable show we were talking and shellac sort of mclaughlin group but i was a conservative the others were liberal and i was fine i've never ever been on a conservative show where they're more concerns and there are liberals until i did the panel with brett bearer in the last four years and i spent my life in media and i joined chapman's faculty