 So great. And what you don't want to have is you don't want to be recommending somebody that's going out and not doing what you say. And Beth and I always do our due diligence in our research because we don't want to let you make a mistake any more than we want to make a mistake. I'm telling you, we know Kelly. We've watched Kelly in action. And just like all the other people we talk about, we know what they do because in many cases we've experienced it ourselves.