 So it's somewhere in between theirs. I think you're both right. But at the end of the day, no, they're not going to be taking down the Goliaths in soccer anytime soon. And really, they've been behind schedule. We started talking about Team USA on the men's side making great strides years ago. And we thought they would be further along than they are right now. So there's no doubt it's been a giant disappointment. And some people just sugarcoat it. I'm with you, Jeff. Just call it for what it is. This would be like...