 as being the first black first lady. I don't see anything at all in her that would suggest that she has a temperament, the desire, the ability, the willingness to take the grief, to take the incoming, to be in politics. Having run for office twice, I have some idea of what it takes. And I have no, I think there's nothing, there's no shame in saying I don't want it. There's no shame in saying I don't want to play that game, so I'm not denigrating her.