 That's a tough question to answer. It's a pretty mixed group. I would say some are very outspoken and visible the way she is. And I think her outspokenness, Hugh, is a big reason why her son is okay. I mean, he's not okay. He's being held hostage. And he's medically fragile, but he's alive. And I think she's, by raising his profile, she's only helped, her and John have only helped