 so i'm not sure i would quite say defined by it look i think it really mattered immensely and i think it mattered immensely partly because uh... campaign had been very and the white house have been very very protective of president biden they hadn't brought him out to the super bowl interview for uh... interviews with mainstream media organizations uh... they hadn't subjected him to that kind of a grilling and and the way it's as he will find people