 I felt it took a while, but last year, Thanksgiving on, it felt like Matt LaFleur was now running the franchise, and Aaron Rodgers and the ghost of Aaron were officially out of the building. I think he's a really clever guy, very close. He may not be the culture builder of McVay or the play builder of Shanahan, but his IQ, his ability to get along with players and navigate through Aaron Rodgers, I think the guy's really good.