 And there were also twists and turns and people that he met along the way and people that are in the same boat as he is and so on and so forth. He's a great guy. Do you know Thayden? I don't know him. I may know of him and read him, of course. I'm going to say he's a triathlete and then he's going to correct me and say, no, I do marathons, but I don't do triathletes. But he's...