 There could be all kinds of sure footing on other side. Not like say that's quicksand or anything, but you've got a pool of water. That's controversy. All you gotta do is walk around it to the other side and keep going, right? That's all you gotta do. And there's stones to walk on. There's railings to grab onto. You can, you can take to get the rest of what Jason Smith and Mike Harmon said, podcast it by searching the Jason Smith show with Mike Harmon. And as always, you can hear the Jason Smith show with Mike Harmon weeknights at 10 PM. Eastern.