 I thought his speech was great, but Mary Catherine described him to me in a way that was arresting. She said, and she knows him offstage. I only know him onstage. I moderated a debate with him. I've interviewed him scores of times, but I only know him publicly. She told me he's quite kind, and I was very surprised by that. Do you know J.D. Vance? So I know him a little better than the average bear. I've interviewed him and interacted with him a bit over the years. I was actually kind of a