 $10,000 in five years, how much do I have to save? I got a program there. They just put their data in the program and BAMO. So it was a book that I'd been thinking about for a while and finally came to fruition. I might also mention that not at the same time, but a few months later, I do dabble in fiction. And for the last 20 years, I've been writing what I call a series called Economic Thrillers.