 an alien type situation. He loved Bud Hopkins as well, and was working with Bud Hopkins. And I knew Bud, but more so David Jacobs. And so I was talking, I went to talk to him about that. And for some reason, the conversation went to life after death. And this was a long time ago, which was weird, because that's really kind of his thing, isn't it? Is that his biggest question? And is that how all this came about?