 Go back and find that if you want to catch up with this, our first in-depth discussion of Plato. We return now to the conversation with Paul Marcus and what is going on there. Boy, it's awfully cruel, Dr. O'Toole. Yeah. So he's like a little boy playing with a fly and pulling the wings off. It's cruel, but it's not really that. What is he doing with Paul Marcus? Let's land the plane for the first segment, Daniel. Sure, yeah.