 he was talking about how a lot of these spacecraft, he believes, the way they move. And if you look up something called Calusa-Klein gravitons, this is very interesting, and then type Mark D'Antonio with that, he talks about how he believes that the UAPs move. And in fact, it sounds from what he's describing that they alter the atmosphere around them. They're not actually moving themselves or propelling themselves, but they alter the atmosphere around their craft