 this at&t request the reason they said there's no other carrier to replace at&t there in its wireline territory and they also went as far as saying that at&t is going around saying that they have to maintain these outdated copper lines because of this ruling california says no we don't have a rule that says you have to maintain these copper lines well we do have a rule that says that you need to have some sort of way for these people to get in touch with other folks