 What's the state of play? What's going to happen? Is he going to step down? Who's going to make him do it? If he does step down, who's going to be there? I mean, this has become you'd think it would be all about Ukraine and all about NATO. But I mean, the reality is the United States is the linchpin of NATO. And if they can't count on the U.S., they've got a very serious problem. That's happening on MSNBC.