 That big man, well, Joel Embiid. The last game he had six fouls. We know Joel Embiid isn't venturing out outside of the paint to guard anybody. And so when you take on a giant Serbian like Jokic, are you throwing Anthony Davis at him? Are you throwing Joel Embiid at him? And who the hell is turning the ball over? Everybody. And so Steve Kerr actually spoke after the game. And Steve Kerr, he told the media, he said, you know what?