 And an MBA in construction management, by the way, Daniel, is an excellent field of study. Congratulations. I like that. I like your idea to go get an MBA. There's nothing wrong with that. It's some of the most, I think, John, you've got a Ph.D. in higher education. You can comment on this better than I can. But my practical experience tells me that an MBA of all the graduate degrees probably has the best ROI. Some of the studies that I saw back in the day, I don't know how new they are, said,