 Avalanche method, for those of you who don't know, is you list your debt's highest interest rate to smallest interest rate, thereby paying off the highest interest rate debt first, regardless of its size. And the debt snowball method is you pay off the smallest debt to largest debt, so you have some immediate success because you knock out the little one really fast, you get a little more excited, you knock out the next one a little faster, a little faster, a little faster, a little faster, and every time you knock off another one, your hope increases. Here's what we have actually discovered, Lindsay.