 But even in the places where there was, okay, we're going this way and the other direction, maybe it's not where you wanted to end up. They took him to where he is now with having babies of his own and then being a youth pastor, a call into the ministry. I can think of all the different things that came out of that swimming journey. But the swimming journey was like the catapult that took him to all these places. And I bet you all of us, if we look back, and we could do this with our other children as well. This is just fresh in our mind because we just got back from Indianapolis. But