 um, it's very often taken to mean that, you know, something like consciousness could be fundamental to the universe. And a lot of, um, you know, well-qualified people, um, who are, say, on the, into more of the harder sciences, as we often term, uh, you know, are coming to realize that and see that at work in the universe as much as anything. Um, and it, you know, I think one thing that, um,