 I also asked him about Lincoln, because the Fourth of July was celebrated by Lincoln in the Gettysburg Address, which is a November address, but it was about a battle fought on the Fourth of July, Gettysburg. And I asked him about Lincoln and why he was different from other tyrants who often destroyed republics. This is what Dr. Jaffa said about that, cut number 14. Lincoln was committed to the Constitution, and he was committed to seeking political change only through constitutional means.