 if any of those conversations in the White House when he was cutting the checks involved advice from Don McGahn on what he could not do, that he could not use campaign money to pay the debt that was owed Michael Cohen, do you think they have to go back and start over, Steve? No, I mean, I agree with Jonathan, but I also think that the burden is quite obviously on former President Trump to come up with any arguments to the contrary. And I'll just say to you, I mean, this to me was the most striking part