 formidable for november formidable not because he's personally stronger but just because the machine that will now once it all gets behind him that will back him i'm i have concerns we'll talk more about that i might just be being a little too much of a warrior on that one look to my fellow gun owners i have a question for you how much you think a quality rifle i mean one that you're going to have for years and have so much fun with out at the range and know that you can count on should you need it