 They didn't make a final in the years they didn't win. So we could say there's one. The Penguins went back-to-back 16-17. The Lightning 22-21. Then one of those was a COVID year, so it's hard to even consider that as a real playoff. Didn't the 24 teams make the playoffs in that year? That was fun. Interesting, but different. So I think in the NHL, it's tough.