 what do you get organically so you do exactly i can taste it i can also taste lighter fluid these days maybe i'm just getting older when someone grills out if they used any lighter fluid i can taste it even if they let it burn off i can still taste it i agree with you this is me being a little bit probably persnickety as well but even my propane grill i kind of want to get rid of it and go back to the charcoal it's not quite that yeah it's not the same you're right because things change duncan uh yeah and they used to have if your parents from massachusetts then you remember uh donut sticks probably they used to have duncan used to have donut sticks