 about uh... children's lack of reading for pleasure yeah i thought that was an interesting interview as well if you didn't get to hear it i hope you'll uh... check it out at uh... you can go to red apple podcast network dot com and just search frank moreno interviews and more or you can go to any podcast uh... app and just type frank moreno interviews and more and you can see all of the individual uh... the individual interviews up there david writes uh... on the subject of bobby junior