 I would definitely say if you're married, working together, being on the same page. We had budget meetings every month and sat down and talked about it to be sure we're on the same page. We both had every dollar to keep each other accountable. So definitely good teamwork and communication. And I would just add to that, just having perseverance because life is still going to hit you even when you're going through this debt payoff journey. Like for example, I actually got in a car accident last August and my car was totaled.