 So I'm like, well, Coach Leslie, tell me, what do we do with a swimmer? We don't even know what to do. And that was our journey with him. And it was just fun because I think God took him on a path that was delightful and unexpected. And it took us and him to places we'd never dreamed. Well, here for me was an interesting part of Michael's journey is I'm 6'7". As I mentioned to all of you listeners, my wife.