 in the offseason with the Bears back in 2014, but immediately jumped back to the Cardinals organization in their front office as a scout, has risen up the ranks, and probably over the past four or five years, he's been one of those names that's been one of the hot names looking at taking that leap to becoming a general manager. He's interviewed for a number of those spots. He's very high on a lot of people's radars in that regard. So very, very well respected, and obviously left Arizona as the VP of scouting in his final years there.