 Gretchen Whitmer, Gavin Newsom or Kamala Harris, any of those would be favored over Donald Trump. He leads against all of them, whether you look at the pre-debate numbers or the post-debate numbers. And of course, I like to look at an aggregate of numbers. So that's what I did. But the fact is, even if you just did post-debate, it really wouldn't look any different. Over at NBC News, they're looking at polls, too.