 Believers can do all kinds of things, all right? So I have critics that are furious with me because I won't say he's clearly not a Christian. God knows, God knows, all right? And I feel very safe saying that, just as I feel very safe saying I do not believe he should be in ministry. Certainly he should not be leading a ministry. I absolutely agree with that conclusion. And I felt this way publicly, openly for over 13 years.