 And Vern certainly was like Pat in that way. And before Pat actually was a broadcaster of yesteryear named Ray Scott, who was very clipped and just treasured brevity. No extraneous words. Pat used to say he'd sit down and have breakfast with Ray Scott and the waitress would come over, eggs, scrambled, bacon, crisp, toast. Vern, thank you. And that's kind of how he punctuated his calls.