 And it was a great conversation, and we'll have that next week. Make sure you tune in, or you can get a little early example by going to freedomsphoenix.com. At the top right, you'll see Declare Your Independence with ErnestHancock.com, if you just go straight to it. And you go in there, and just a few stories down, you will hear the show with David Webb. Now, we have another one that's in that archive that you can get the first one to.