 It's a New Testament reality that we are seated in him, with him in heavenly places. Ephesians 1, Ephesians 2, Colossians 3. That's a spiritual reality. And we can take, okay, what does that mean? What does that imply? How does that work itself out in my own life? That's one thing totally separate from the idea that I can literally be translated, my spirit, to the presence of God in heaven.