 And they just kind of need to tread water right now. They can only pass through so much on pricing. But again, I think it's encouraging, reaffirming their guidance for this fiscal year. They did note in the flavor solution side of the business, which is that commercial side, some lower demand from quick service restaurants and packaged food customers, which is interesting because you're seeing that dynamic play where people are trying to figure out, OK, where can I get