 Secondly, I often say to folks, rather than think about the next thing to say, which we can all be guilty of, particularly as Christians, because we want to get to the good stuff of the gospel, what about be thinking about what's the next question I should ask? Even to be thinking about it that way can be helpful. And then the other thing, by the way, I've learned over the years, which helped me a lot, was realizing I can talk a lot in conversations. Sometimes when I've realized I've done that,