 And a big art of having natural conversations, actually, whether it's about the gospel or about anything, actually, is, as you say, learning to read the other person, learning to figure out if the conversation's going well. Am I engaging well? Am I listening well? And those are great skills, whether you're standing on a stage or whether you're talking with a colleague over the lunch table. We can just learn to, I think, listen better and have more natural conversations. I think we'd get further than sometimes we do.