 and really just was able to turn my life around and go into a different direction. So I'm very grateful for that. And again, for people who are new to the show, this is our fourth show that we've recently done with Karen Masterson-Cook. The first one we did on the Fountain of Youth, Aloe Vera, where she talked about her clinical work with MD experts in immunology, allergies, and even HIV. That led to the Aloe Life products all these years ago and have really led us to the opportunity to be able to talk to Karen today.