 There was a great book by a Washington Post reporter by the name of Rising in the West. It's about people who moved to the West with the Great Migration during the Depression, moved up to the Fresno area, bought a house. And Fresno's booming now. I'm on in Fresno. It's always good to talk to my Fresno friends. And eventually, Mrs. Hewitt and I bought our first townhouse in 1985. And it was at 12.5% interest rates.