 I got to tell you, he's quite the character. When I was talking to him on the phone over the weekend about what do you want to talk about, I haven't told you guys this yet, and I'm the guy to pull this on. He goes, okay, I'm going to unlock the secret of boiling ribs and then smoking them. And I'm like, really? I was like, okay, so you know what? Nobody has ever talked about that.