 Well, Gary held out, you know, probably a lot longer than most of us. And the reason was is because he stayed in politics, you know, and he was very supportive from Ron Paul. He went to Trump. Well, as he talked in the show, it's supported by them. They were encouraging to build this audience, to get the people in. But I don't know how or when, but we certainly saw it in 2009, right after the 2008 presidential cycle.