 He could. But you waited 20 long minutes. That was the first thing. And when he was walking out, he had that that horrible walk of his where he's just, you know, just, yeah, OK, I'm tired. Let me see if I can get to the podium. Let me see if I can make it. And I'm like, wow, I knew right then and there. I said, this is going to get interesting because I didn't know which Joe was going to show up.