 I would just be content with seeing a craft like that. And that was a mere two weeks before that actually happened on November 28, 2008. And so we were both thinking to ourselves at that time, that was a long time ago, we were thinking it could be that we were, because we were thinking that, and we were also speaking about it out loud, that something heard it and that's why we saw it. And now having talked to so many witnesses since that time period, it's incredible how many times you talk to people