 And my friend kind of nudged me with his elbow and said, you know, you're being listened to. I said, that's fine. If he thinks we're crazy, he thinks we're crazy. This is an important subject. We're used to this. And so he came up to me and he said, hey, I apologize. I was eavesdropping. And I said, I can see that. He said, I apologize, but I just want you to know I don't think you're crazy. And I asked him, what makes you say that? He said, well, I had my own experience about 10 years ago, and I've never talked about it because I was threatened. And I said, now you have my attention. What did you see?