 no matter what you do, there's a skeptic out there that will doubt it. No matter how good your evidence is, they will throw doubt. He said some skeptics, no matter how good your evidence is, it could be scientifically proven, will still find a reason to doubt it. So he said if you're doing, you're going out of your way to prove something to a skeptic, you're wasting your time and energy that you could be spending to do more investigating. And I would agree with that 100%. And again, it comes right back to being the experiencer. Don't worry about capturing evidence. Experience it and then relate it