 Where he is is actually over here. It would look kind of dumb if I looked to my right the entire time I was doing it. So I'm capturing it on my computer as we're doing the interview, and I can't see them as we're doing it. Like if I bring Carrie up, I think I've got Carrie in a box. Maybe I don't. If not, I can bring Carrie into the box. I'll do this even as we're doing it live to show you what I'm talking about. I will bring Carrie into the box. Now, if I'm looking forward, you see the two of us. I can't see her.