 And at that point, they're completely cut off. They're thrown out of the transgender community. They're told they were never trans, that they're hateful, that they don't care about people, that they're bigoted, all these terrible things. And it's very cult-like to me. And I think the way in which these doctors and therapists treat the whole topic is almost like an, well, it is an ideology, but it's almost like a religion, where we're talking about an issue that is very much up for debate. In fact,