 And that's why she hasn't, a big reason why she hasn't campaigned for Biden. And she resisted doing so in 2020. And they've got a lot of sources on this. This is very interesting. She was very upset with them on this. And they said that this tension has driven this division. And that's when the last time he weighed his presidential run in 2020, Obama didn't encourage it because Michelle Biden was mad over how that family was treating Kathleen Buell.