 So we added one from 1997, our talk to crime scene analyst Alexander Jason about gun laws and self-protection scenarios. And then we go back to 2005. Art was joined by physicist Dr. Claude Swanson as they discussed the changing and challenging of fitting the paranormal into the current scientific paradigm. A couple of great programs. We ask you to take a listen. It's classic audio. It's available to Coast Insiders. You can listen on multiple platforms. You can sign up in Canada, the U.S. George, it's so easy to sign up.