 and you hesitate before you shoot back and end up getting killed or wounded or something along those lines and i think that you just touched on that of where is that line where do we make that decision uh... we're coming up on the bottom of the hour and i'm going to ask you to hold on as we come around but i want to remind everybody out there that we're talking to dr shannon french who is a professor at the naval academy in ethics and we're trying to figure out exactly