 and make it so he doesn't have as much value a year from now. So I just think that right now neither team is at a spot where, or neither side, meaning Iyuk and his side and the team, they're not in a place of one of them has something to lose. And that's one of the things that Mueller points out right out of the start. He says teams tend to hunker down on their position based on facts that might make sense online.