 And tonight they could do that. I doubt that they will, but they could if they establish themselves with some integrity tonight and held a fair debate and asked Joe Biden tough questions, not just Donald Trump, but Joe Biden, too. Maybe they could maybe they could get back on track. It'd be a long way to go, though. Caroline Sunshine, the Trump campaign surrogate. She's also an American press secretary, former actress who previously worked as a White House staffer during the Trump administration in 2018. She joins me now. Caroline, nice to see you again.