 Dave Giulio, the director of civic engagement at Oakland University in Rochester, Michigan, distinguished professor in the political science department. The line that Van Jones said there that was especially revealing to me is when he said, well, I know how I'm supposed to see it and say it, but I'm going to speak from the heart. I mean, he was basically kind of admitting that he was there to spend, but even he couldn't do it. Am I wrong? Well, good morning again, Michael Patrick. Thanks for having me back. I...