 Yes, and it would be slightly more enjoyable just from the environment change that you're pointing out. But let's say that he's in a government job. Let's play this out. And I were to say, okay, what are you really good at? And he says, I'm really good at process stuff, detail stuff. Okay, great. Well, do you enjoy solving detail problems? He's probably going to say yes. Then I'm immediately going into the private sector, and I'm going, all right, maybe look at project management, which is a viable...