 where Barack Obama liked to run small, efficient meetings, say little, listen a lot. He would come in and take over everything, and he was vehemently anti-military. By the time they were done, they were done. And when he picked Hillary Clinton over Joe Biden as somebody to endorse to take on Trump eventually, that also alienated the two. So when Biden decides to run, he ends up winning. I never thought that Obama was going to be an insider. He's going to help Joe because it helps the Democratic Party. But I don't think he likes Joe.