 He was sincere. He told us what he wanted to accomplish, but said, how do I do it? How old was he then? And how old were you? Good question. I was 41. I think he was late 40s. And you were with him during his presidency? From 94 to 2001, yeah. To see him and Bush 41, see that relationship flourish from adversaries to flourish, what was that like? It was...