 And we were just dumbfounded. We left from that lunch with Tom Doggo. His number one, his knowledge on the subject, having been investigating this area for so long, there's two sides to everything that's going on here, perhaps more than that. But the paranormal activity in the area is legitimate. There's a lot of it going on here. There's a very, very strong off-world presence here, non-human pilotage craft. And what he was saying was that some of these crafts are...