 credential-based. What do they feel like you can bring to the table and your leadership capabilities that you had before walking into that situation? So Randy, when I got selected, man, I was ecstatic and excited that honestly in my life, I'd never been selected for a leadership capability or a leadership institute of that magnitude, especially with the Spurs. So you would go once or twice a week for classes and they would be about an hour, hour and a half long where we would talk about leadership.