 Perry, thank you for your call today. Let's see. Tori in El Paso, Texas. You're up next. Hi, Kim. Thanks so much for taking my call. I'm a long-time listener, but a first-time caller. Yay, I'll be nice. So I'd like to know the best way to back up photos and videos from an iPhone 12 Max Pro to an external drive or your recommended method excluding iCloud. Why don't you want to use the cloud? Sure.