 What year did this all start for him, Brett, do you know? With Billy in 1975. 75, is it? With the plating context in, yes. All from where he lives, out in that region? Yes, in Switzerland, in an area around Henwell. And since 75, has he stayed in that location? Yes, he has. In 77, he moved in to a place called Schmidrudi, a little tiny town.