 for inter-human relationships that we would never do to each other in real life. But through the state, they'll do it because they say they're protecting people. And of course, the undergirding problem of that is that they're always assuming that they can take somebody's property in order to create this enforcement force. That's the underlying immoral predicate. You don't start there. And then you let voluntary people gather with each other and try to figure those things out.