 The baby is in the womb. He's also in the world, but he doesn't know it until he gets out of the womb. And in the same way, heaven envelopes earth, I think. And so we just can't see with our physical senses what's going on in the heavenly realm around us. But the saints, they know what we're up to. They can cheer us on. That's what the letter to the Hebrews says in Hebrews 11. We've got this hall of fame of faith. All the saints who have gone before us,