 Well, pressure on both. I think there's pressure on Stephanopoulos, one, to push him. Two, the partisan incentive is to push him now, right? So I'm sure Stephanopoulos thinks the same thing everyone else does. And we've seen the media turn on Biden since the debate, and I think we'll see Stephanopoulos do the same. So I expect it to be a pretty tough interview. And the thing Biden has now, he's on a high wire every single event.