 in many ways we've lost the personal connection the the being together with other catholics and she said that's exciting to have so many catholics be together and share and especially john for those who are not uh accustomed to have not had the opportunity maybe ever in their life to gather with such a large number of people like we've done so many times for world youth day for papal events uh whether it's in rome or in the holy land or in australia or uh wherever so