 It wasn't a defined dogma, but the tensions between Catholics and the state has been going on for a long time. Dr. Michael Breidenbach is an associate professor of history at Abbey Murray University, and he recently wrote about this in the Wall Street Journal. And I would encourage you to read it. We'll try to link over to his story. And I'm grateful to have him today on such a busy weekend to give us some perspective on our nation's founding and especially the role of Catholicism in it. Doctor, thanks for your time. Good afternoon.