 So that in itself, I know it's a semantical issue, but it's an important way to understand the true difference between the followers of Jesus Christ and members of the body of Christ and those who are practicing witchcraft, mediums, things like that. That'd be the first thing. But what I would recommend that you do, is this woman a Catholic in any sense or was she ever a Catholic? No, anti-Catholic. She's anti-Catholic, good. Give her the book on hell.