 The argument I'm giving you right now for the resurrection, that is not predicated on the Bible being the word of God. You might try to convince somebody of this and they'll say, I don't believe in the Bible. I don't believe it's the word of God. They don't have to for the purposes of this argument. I think it is the word of God, but all you have to grant is that the New Testament is a collection of writings about what the first Christians believed. And if you can get your friend to say, okay, I'll at least agree to that. I'm not sure I buy it myself. That's all we're looking for here for now.