 And that's what's happening. They're trying to transition to that. So that costs jobs and that kind of stuff. Let me ask you this question. BCH Research Chief Global Strategist Peter Berenson, I believe is how you pronounce it, warned that contrary to popular belief, the economy will fall into a recession either later this year or early in 2025, and it's going to be severe. He predicts the S&P Standard & Poor's 500 could tumble as much as 30%.