 by Michael Novak. And he talked about faith and reason. Fides et Ratio. John Paul II did an encyclical called Fides et Ratio, Faith and Reason in September 1998. And he talked, Novak talked about how the founders really base their document and their thinking not just on reason, you know, what people would credit the Enlightenment for, but on faith and reason. They believe that faith brought you to reason, reason brought you to faith.