 But it's a conversation that's gone on for a long time. There's been a lot of openness to it. And so I think that's really an important part of the conversation we have to have today. Because there are plenty of folks who say the church teaches against it. I can say emphatically the church does not. The church has never made a formal declaration about it, attempts to take passages in scripture or the catechism and say that that proves this thing. I think that's a rather involved conversation.