 Yeah, you're thinking about von Balthasar, his book, Dare We Hope. Yes, thank you, thank you. The idea being that hell exists objectively, but dare we hope that there is no one there or very few there. Yeah, he develops that idea in his book, Dare We Hope, and it's a view that Bishop Barron adheres to as well. Well, listen, thanks so much for calling, Brandon. I'm going to get back to the story that I'm telling, okay?