 We use the remedies on both levels. And so where there's clinical depression, counseling with a good counselor, and we're helpful, medication may also be a great help. We use the natural human medical psychological remedies that are at our disposal. And at the same time, we use the spiritual means. And so that's a life of prayer and the sacraments, learning from the tradition, the way you're doing so wonderfully, maybe speaking with someone who can