 but I'm from Tucson and so to me artists I didn't know people who made art for a living I knew people who played in bar bands on the weekends and I knew people who painted as a hobby but I didn't know people who made money from creative work and so it always felt like that was for people in New York and LA and not me and that you know my parents are professionals my dad's a lawyer my mother was an educator so I thought that I would just go to grad school eventually and you know go to law school and then write as a hobby but