 And one of the quotes that I love, it's from The Sinner's Guide to NFP. It's a great book. It takes it a little bit on the fun side. Catchy title. The Sinner's Guide to NFP. But it states, it says, for just reasons spouses may want to wish to space the birth of their children, and it's their duty to make certain their desire is not motivated by selfishness, but it's in conformity with the generosity appropriate to responsible parenthood. And so that pulls in your point, too, that responsible parenthood,