 The good news, the bad news is that we're out of time, but the good news is it means we can all go have lunch now. So thank you to our guests for being on the program today. Peggy Grudnitsky, the food and dining editor for the Portland Press-Herald, and Mike Urban, who writes about New England-based cuisine, including a book, Unique Eats and Eateries of Maine. Today's sound engineer was Sam Tracy. Maine Calling is produced by Jonathan Smith and Cindy Hahn.