 Even for me, it's easy. I've been working on the saint series for a little bit now. It's still easy to think that sainthood or being a saint is something out there. It's something that happens when you have a vision or when there's a big crisis. But if you read the lives of the saints, they became a saint. Lisa Lacona, our research director, is really great on this point. They became a saint through usually a long period of time, a long period of formation, a long period of prayer, a long period of sacrifice. And