 you know, doesn't require incarceration. And yet, does this cross too many ethical boundaries? Dr. Charles Camosi joins me. He's a professor of Christian ethics at Creighton University School of Medicine in Phoenix. He's the Monsignor Kern Fellow in Moral Theology at St. Joseph's Seminary in New York. He's been with us just recently. I always enjoy talking with him. And when I saw this story, my producer Nick sent it over, I'm like, whoa, we should talk about that. And Dr. Camosi's name is top of the list. Doctor, good to have you with us. Good afternoon.