 walked into certain debates. People are having over Ben Franklin as if he was their best friend. And no, he was this. No, he was that. No, he wasn't. And it was just really interesting. So I want to get into that. And of course, I want to encourage you guys to listen to the show. If you miss any part of these interviews, feel free to go to the website richvaldez.com and you can listen to any of our archived interviews.