 So the pain of that never goes away. So then with my daughter, I didn't want to lose her, but she has alienated herself from my ex-husband and I. And my ex-husband and I, we're friendly because we want our daughter back. But she is alienated. She won't speak to us. Pause for a second. Do we need to continue? Yeah, so you get the idea. It's like a long monologue. It really is. And so when...