 The suffering she had to suffer when Jesus was crucified, her heart must have been breaking, even though she knew he would rise from the dead. But I'm sure it still broke her heart as it would break any mother's heart. Sure. So true. And that's a very thoughtful and candid way of looking at it. I'll share something with you, Maggie. I remember meeting a convert to the Catholic Church. He was a Baptist minister for many years. And he reminds me a lot of the gentleman, Leon, who called in a few minutes ago. Very much like that.