 I mean, he wrote that book, Hillbilly Elegy, very popular book, turned into a movie. He has a law degree from Harvard Law. He was the editor of the Harvard Law publication. So, I mean, he has many things about his pedigree that suggests he's a very intelligent man. My thought, Charles, in parting here, is that he hasn't yet had an opportunity for someone to sit down with him and explain why these are problematic.