 that they're doing the right thing right and so obviously she had so much close contact with the smugglers on the ground I mean was it was it interesting to you that on the one hand they as you said they came to you almost because like no one knows their stories no one hears their stories they needed kind of a therapist they wanted to be seen and heard but at the same time they they kind of had to um well in a sense I don't know I might be reading too much into this but like seeking absolution for their sins they wouldn't even like acknowledge that bad stuff had also happened too