 widespread uses of saints' images, stained glass windows, pictures, even images in the sanctuary, because they can help us to love. And that really is what, it's really what religious art's for. It's to help us to love God and to love neighbor. Yeah, very good. Ellen, great question. Let's take one more before you take a break here. Speaking of, you mentioned L.A. Kristen is calling in from Los Angeles. Kristen, welcome.