 and uh he's just thinking about the human race and he said well there wasn't we know that but could there have been it's not essentially impossible god could have done that so that's an important thing another is that as you mentioned they may not even be fallen in a particular case in which case they would need an incarnation though you have a franciscan tradition and philosophy that perhaps even if we hadn't fallen god would have still become one of us as a matter of solidarity to be in friendship with us but also st thomas talks about um