 As he speaks through the church, and a lot of people are in dissent with the church today. They don't like what the church says. You don't want to be obedient to the church when it comes to contraception or cohabitation. We want to live with it. A lot of things we pick and choose, right? Our own president we talk about. I think it was Cardinal Gregory, who was it? Wilton Gregory that said, he's a cafeteria, he called him cafeteria Catholic. I couldn't believe it.