 And of course, we think about St. Paul and his conversion on the Damascus Road, that experience he had where his companions didn't necessarily know what was going on, but he had this intense experience with the not only risen Christ, but glorified Christ in heaven. But it was different from the resurrection appearances Jesus was making before he ascended into heaven. So this is really important. This is why St. Paul, when he talks about in the Corinthian Creed, he talks about how