 And he said, I reject that because we're called to sanctify culture. And so at a certain point, we need to remember that as Catholic Christians, we live in the real world. And as a result, the things that are in the real world are going to impact the way in which our church lives and operates. Without a doubt. But one of the things that separates us from a secular culture, or at least distinguishes us from that, is that we have the fullness of faith and revelation in Jesus Christ