 And Bill Bamberger, how did you meet Jacques and become part of this effort to re-see Rwanda? I came to do a project about the genocide 20 years later, and I had sketched it out. I read all the popular literature about Rwanda. I came prepared to do a story, and when I arrived and began to travel the country and meet Rwandans, I realized what an epic cliché, that this is the way this country has been portrayed for 20 years at the time and now 30.