 15 years of his life we went to breakfast almost every morning at six o'clock in the morning so and you know keep him going and keep him getting out but so my wife put me through undergrad at Campbell University Law School at Regent and built one of the largest law firms in my area and we've done quite well we have four children three boys in college and one little girl in high school and the other thing that you might have read about me is I wrote a book and so not unlike J.D. Vance's you know