 that there was much inconsistency in the church at the time, and a lot of sin, a lot of evil. I've got a great quotation from Hilaire Belloc, the great Catholic historian, who basically says that anyone with a conscience would have been shocked by the things that were going on at the time. So yeah, James, I think that's a good question, and that's the answer. Anyway, thanks for calling in. Good to have you on the show today. Andre, calling in...