 Well, he did, and he took us down into his neighborhood of Kimisagara. And I fell in love with Jacques and his work on that day. And later that day, he shared his work with me. He took me to the Kigali Photo Center, and I was so impressed. And we talked for a while, and Jacques asked to see my work. And when I shared my work with him, we decided that we should work together. We took 100 days off.