 strides in that, but the university system, that's Catholic. That's a Catholic achievement. Right, right. Very good. I'm finding this discussion riveting. I hope our listeners are too. Let's take a phone call before we take our first break, Father. Mark is calling in from Aurora, Illinois. Mark, welcome to the Interlife. Thanks for calling. Yes, good morning. The classic faith chapter of the Bible is Hebrews 11, and