 They saved money. They were hardworking people. And she retired, I think, on $750,000 or something she had told me at one point. And they're happy. They're babysitting their grandkids. They're doing their thing. So it really is relative, right, on what kind of lifestyle you have, where you live. I think in some of these states like California, Massachusetts, New York, Illinois, where real estate taxes are through the roof,