 Well, the corollary to that is where there is no interest. Put interest and you will find interest. And so the upshot of that is one of the best things that you can do is choose to be genuinely interested in what your children are bringing to you. And what that does, again, where you put interest, you will actually, your heart will change over time and you will become truly interested. So in the beginning, it's an act of the will. In time, it becomes much easier.