 That's Kim Zembar. And just thinking on this, it's such an important topic, having these conversations, not only singling it out. I love that you mentioned that. But this is a talking piece. Hey, I don't know what your kid believes on this, but did you know that more people identify as formerly gay than gay and they identify as heterosexual? Why is that? Open up the conversation. Share this podcast with Kim Zembar to someone who maybe takes a different position and you can share that.