 hard to feel energy for spiritual things. We don't feel the Lord's closeness. Those new steps that we've been taking no longer seem so inviting and so forth. And I would say, Patrick, that if that's a perennial issue, we're all well aware that there's more of it around today than ever before in our lifetimes. So there is a great need there for wise counsel and help with that. On the other hand, you have these 14 rules Ignatius called