 as another way to put it, and her bodily assumption. So I'll get that during the break, and I'll be able to share that with you when we come back. In the meantime, though, we have time for some more phone calls. Let's go now to Steve in Trenton, New Jersey. Good morning, Steve, and welcome. Hi, Patrick, thank you. You're welcome. If it's not too complex a subject for the time you have available, I'm wondering if you could discuss how Catholic theologians have discerned