 And this is awkward. And this can be contentious with your neighbors. And this can cause some friction in your life. But this is what it means to be a poverty abolitionist. So these are a few ways that I've struggled with, that I've wrestled with. I don't even figure everything out. But I think that there is something very meaningful about trying to divest from poverty in our daily life and kind of talk to people about it. You've done a ton of these interviews. What frustrates you about the conversation you're having?