 Both of those topics sound extremely important and interesting. And to our listeners, to the people who have joined us today, thank you so much for spending the last hour with us. And James, thank you so much for being a guest today. I really appreciate your time. I've learned a lot during the course of our dialogue, and I hope other people have taken away different aspects in which they can better embrace pressure more generally. So thank you so much. Thank you so much, Tanya.