 is utilising the hunting as part of its wildlife management. And Kenya feels, for various reasons, that might be impacting the genetics of these elephants. If these are large, older males that are in breeding stage and they are those large super tuskers, they also feel it may be affecting their tourism. And obviously there is concern about whether even it's ethical to hunt very habituated animals. Tanzanian side, I think people are saying, well, in those wildlife management areas where this is happening, local people are benefiting from the revenue that comes from these hunts.