 I see the point. And she did wind up becoming Catholic. And they're a devout Catholic couple, lived happily ever after, et cetera, et cetera. And I use that as another example of when people actually hear or see or read or you share the truth of the Catholic faith with somebody who may seem very far away from believing. And it doesn't have to be Protestantism. I mean, it could be anything. It could be any worldview, right?