 she helped me discern very clearly that this was the place to go and i hope others can discern clearly you know if they're interviewing with a catholic organization whether or not they're going to be able to live out their faith the way they need to the way the lord's calling them to okay hey thank you for the call barry beth patrick's in austin texas let me sneak patrick into hi patrick hi thanks for taking my call yeah it was 1986 i'm fresh out of college and i got my first job in 87