 And she said to her husband, she said, when I was there, it was like this contest, like a gladiator contest or something where you're rooting for your champion. You're rooting for the guy who represents what you believe. And she said, in the moment with the emotion and there are a bunch of Catholics in the room. And she said, I wanted so much to believe my position was true that I didn't really think about what was being said.