 recommended that they read C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity. And I know that C.S. Lewis never converted to Catholicism and his good friend Tolkien was a Catholic. So I kind of see the writing on the wall and I don't blame them. If I was Protestant, I might be doing the same thing. So I'm just looking for any advice. I have some thoughts. Go ahead, Kathy. Did you want to add something more?