 So you wrote a piece back in 2022 in The Atlantic, which was called The J.D. Vance I Knew. If you had to sum up who that J.D. Vance was, how would you sum him up? Well, in the early 2000s, J.D. Vance, who is not then yet famous, not then yet the author of Hillbilly Elegy, not then yet even a Yale law student.