 interpret them the way you do they interpreted them the way the catholic church does and the reason is that the first christians were catholic they learned the gospel from the apostles oh yeah yeah i can give you chapter and verse saint ignatius of antioch who was a disciple of saint john catholic church joined up with the romans and therefore the people who were true believers were always outside of the catholic church and they were the ones that were persecuted during the reformation time and they often didn't even have a name