 but it was all secular. It wasn't really defining in the Catholic, you know, ethos and understanding of life. And so then when we enter into where in the Catholic Church can we find what it means to be a man and how to live out our identity and how to live out our masculinity, it was actually really hard to find. And now we're going on 11 years here in July, if it gives your listeners an understanding of kind of how long this has been going on. But 11 years ago,