 When I was a Baptist pastor at the time, I was a graduate of Fuller Theological Seminary in Pasadena, California, and I'd been an ordained Baptist minister for some years at the time, when someone really in my congregation just sort of handed me a set of tapes. He said, here's a set of tapes called Answering Common Objections Against the Catholic Faith. And the first tape in there was Scott's conversion story. And I remember when I saw this package, you know, I almost...