 There's this idea, well, I don't go to saints, I go directly to Jesus. Well, we go directly to Jesus too. But we join our prayers with the prayers of the whole church, which is, we talk about the church triumphant, which is the church in heaven, the church penitent, which is the church in purgatory, the church militant, which is supposed to be us, though we're not as militant sometimes as we should be.