 And then she'll have to grapple with that and she'll have some kind of an answer, I guess, but then just keep asking questions. Or you may say, well, so are you saying then that this is a meaningless universe? Let's say she says, I don't believe in God at all. No afterlife. Just this life. When you die, that's it. No heaven or hell. Really? So do you believe that this is a meaningless universe? Do you believe that...