 Because when you're used to seeing her around the house, it's so weird to see her behind this, like, glass wall. Butorin says that since Kurmashova's detention, they've met the Gershkovich family and others who have gone through what they're experiencing. Butorin says that gives them some sense of community. And you get to meet all these former hostages, and that gives you a lot of hope. There is an end to this.