 Well, that's part of the issue, too, here. And again, we're speaking with Ed Whalen, who's a distinguished senior fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center. That's EPPC.org, is that correct? That's right. EPPC.org. And taking your calls at 888-914-9149. That's a really good point that you raise, because one of the, I guess, the broader implications of this is that