 In fact, the gentleman who gave me the set of tapes answering common objections, he had been debating with someone at Catholic Answers down in San Diego, and that someone was Patrick Madrid. And in my files, Patrick, if you're listening to this, in my files, I still have a long letter that you wrote to him. His name was Bill, trying to make the case, trying to explain. I think it was Sola Scriptura you were talking about. And so I still have that.