 I talk to will say, Oh, I don't like rock climbing because I'm scared of heights. And do I, I say to that, I always say to them like, well, your brain's working then because it's telling you like, you're not supposed to be up here. So, um, you're, you're doing great already. If you recognize that kind of fear and then you want to, and then you can slowly start, um, getting comfortable with being up on the wall of rock climbing. So, um, I, there's two rock gyms in Portland. Um, I know them both very well. They're,