 that really just absolutely shocked me when I saw this. And it was, I think it was out of, I think it was out of ABC. I think, and I'll just try to summarize it. I don't have it in front of me. I think it was George Stephanopoulos talking to somebody else that was there. And they basically, here it is. I think this is the clip that I'm looking for, the piece of audio, or the context that I'm looking for. Listen to this exchange.