 And those are available on Discerning Hearts. So the discerninghearts.com or the Discerning Hearts app, which is a free app. And if you download the app, when the opening menu comes up, tap on spiritual formation. List of speakers will come up, tap on my image, and it will take you right to the series of podcasts. And the first of these series, titled Discernment of Spirits, takes you through the 14 rules. I think it's 16 half-hour podcasts, something like that.