 And I should point out that in our first episode of What is Ode, we talked to the folks on the city council who developed the task force legislation. And they talked a lot about the politics and the back and forth. And the city wasn't really ready to talk to us about this. Several episodes in, as we were making progress on our work and as we were pestering them for conversation, they did finally really open the doors. And we did end up having some terrific conversations with the mayor and with members of the task force.