 No, it's okay. I think I understand your question. So he suffers in and through his body, which is us. So you know that in the book of Acts, when he stuns Saul of Tarsus and blinds him, and Saul hears this voice. And Saul, by the way, was on his way to round up and kill more Christians. That's what he was doing. That was his part-time job, was killing Christians. So he was on his way to Damascus to do more of that.