 And I think it shows that example of navigating those relationships of, yes, this is intrinsically wrong. We get it. You hear what the church teaches, but there's still love. And there's still this reality that we all have sin that we are engaging in. And I think that that's what I love about your work is when we talk about the issue of same-sex attraction, to actually see it in reality. We're not saying, hey, exclude, cut off, end those relationships. You can't do business, but it's all about...