 you know, sweetheart, or young girl, whatever, that's contrary to the faith. He could have said that, he could have said, science, we don't know science, we'll have to tell us, he could have said all kinds of things, but this man who knows the Catechism so well and its intention said instead, always remember, they are God's children too. So that's how he answered. And he's not the only one, Paul VI, in some conversations, was at least open to the possibility