 um with both the secular press and and sort of like conservative um readership as well and it described his story from living in west virginia and ohio kind of a rags to riches story um you know working in uh the rust belt and finally going to i want to say he went to yale and then worked in in uh in finance for a while yeah he was a venture capitalist yeah that's really interesting so you and i are both saying we'll have to figure hey patrick a log do me a favor find out