 had that our of power that he did for over 50 years which was the the key I to do being that prolific evangelist that he was but perhaps some love you me had not be so experienced at the Eucharistic iteration you not exactly sure how to do it I or you wonder whether you're actually doing it right so that we're gonna talk about it joining us live from Bismarck South Dakota is my senior James shea the president of the University of Mary in