 Right, right. Very good. Fascinating conversation, and we've got deeper waters to plumb here as we're talking with our spiritual director, Fr. Brian Gross, about moving from your head to your heart in prayer. If you have questions about how to do just that, or maybe you have advice, tips to give on how you engage both heart and mind in your prayer, give us a call and join the conversation, 888-914-9149. Again, 888-914-9149, or send us an email, innerlifeatrelevantradio.com.