 Now, at the time, Heidi was, she was either Baptist or maybe she was from Calvary Chapel. I don't know. But she was ferociously anti-Catholic. I don't really know how the two of them ever wound up getting married because he was like a really committed Catholic. She's like really committed evangelical Protestant. And they loved each other very much. They had children. But she and he did not see eye to eye at all when it came to the Catholic Church.