 Well, I'll tell you what, Dave. It's not as though he wouldn't have dialed if you hadn't reminded him of the time. Because a few days after I resigned my ministry as a Baptist pastor, my phone rang. I swear it was like 4 or 5 a.m. in the morning. My phone rang. I reached over. I grabbed the receiver, which used to have something called receivers. And I put it to my ear, and I heard this voice. Hello, this is Martin Luther.