 One of the two guys attended another one of my talks, and he happened to be the man who was an ex-Catholic. And he came over to me with a big smile, and he said, hi, do you remember me? And I said, sure, I remember you. And he said, well, do you remember that napkin thing you did when we had a cup of coffee that night? I said, yeah, I remember that. He said, well, I just want to shake your hand and tell you that that was like a key that unlocked the door