 in which, in the Church of England especially, there was an effort attempted to pigeonhole the Catholic Church as if it were just like one version of the Catholic Church. So they'd say the Roman Catholic Church to diminish it, or attempt to diminish it. You really can't diminish it. So anyway, so that's a tell. The Roman Catholic Church. Anyway, I don't expect much from him. He says, I'm not talking about what we can read and study from the Bible.