 German manufacturers, the German government, and French manufacturers principally, and the French government over how you deal with this. So the EU has pressed ahead with its policy, but it's fair to say there's a fair amount of opposition to it. Theo, thank you very much indeed. That was our business correspondent, Theo Leggett, there on that announcement from the European Union. It's going to impose punitive tariffs on Chinese-made electric cars. You're listening to NewsHour.