 Coming up, Matthew Desmond says Americans can abolish poverty. And he has a list of suggestions for where to start. You're listening to ThruLine from NPR. I'm Stephen Dubner on the next Freakonomics Radio. Have you found yourself wondering why these are the only two people with the chance to become president of the United States? The question is, the question is, will you shut up, man? Listen, who is on your list, Joe?