 All right, Doug, with that, I think maybe we should take a little bit of a break. If you're just joining us, this is indeed the Drew Mariani Show. This is Patrick Conley, host of The Inner Life, sitting in for Drew, and we're having a roundtable discussion with Doug Hindra and Timree Zaja. And we're going to take a little bit of a break, but we'll be back for more of the conversation right after this.