 So in their minds, the Catholic Church is a sort of amalgamation of Christianity and pagan admixture and Hellenistic philosophy and the traditions of men that Jesus condemns in Matthew chapter 15 and Mark chapter 7, for example. Now, these are all based upon misunderstandings. In some cases, I think with Martin Luther and John Calvin, they were willful misunderstandings. They willfully, they knew better and they chose the path that they did anyway.