 even looking at the differences with regard to adoption versus foster care. But today we're diving into discerning adoption. Joining me today is Emily Stimson Chapman. She's the author of the children's book, Mary, Mother of All, along with a number of other books, books for adults as well. But I'm a big fan of her more recent children's book, Mary, Mother of All. My daughter loves it with beautiful illustrations co-authored by Dr. Scott Hahn.