 um loathing of your sinfulness and a desire to please god you know have done well can put you in the state of grace well i i mean just to add to that father i know a dear man uh who protestant man who was he was facing some really hard times in his life and uh he sought out he wanted to go to the catholic church where my wife and i were you know parishioners and he wanted to go and just sit there and sometimes he'd sit there for hours and hours and i'm convinced