 right exactly i mean that's what we're that's what we're talking about today here on the program is how do we how do we continue to grow in our abilities in the spiritual battle that we face each and every day with our spiritual director father matthew spencer if you'd like to get in on the conversation we welcome you to call us at 888-914-9149 again 888-914-9149 maybe you have a question about if something that you're facing right now