 asking straightforward questions to candidates to see what kind of good, solid answers they can elicit. Later in the debate, despite the best efforts of the moderators, I thought it kind of descended into some name-calling toward the end. But it wasn't the moderator's fault. It was the debater's fault. Well, and Dr. Berry, I mean, that's sort of the point, right? The debate is between the two candidates. It is not between the candidates and the moderators. Exactly.