 And what happened was that my honorable debate opponent before the debate or after the debate was over, he had chatted with Heidi and he was kind enough to provide her with several of his books. And I believe the main thing was that he gave her the cassette tapes of the debate because they were taping it on the spot and people could get the tapes of the debate that night. So he gave her the three tapes or whatever it was from that debate.