 John, I felt the same. And Glenn and I were talking about that as well, because you see the charisms of each speaker and how they each have their apostolate, their call. And it really is inspiring because as Lila talked about, her confirmation saint is Joan of Arc. And that reminder when she, as a convert, came into the church, that she is called to greatness and not to fear anything. And immediately after that, that second conversion of