 But the question is, with the Campaign for Human Development, it's always, how do we break the cycle of poverty? How do we lift people up out of poverty? And that's, I think, where we can see that Catholic schools have a great record in that regard. Children from poor neighborhoods or in rural areas that don't have schools nearby that go to a Catholic school, there's a good chance that they're going to get a good education and eventually get gainful employment and be able to support themselves.