 She's really far along in her healing journey and she doesn't realize it, I don't think, because a lot of it is having to go into that place. And this sounds superficial in a way, but is to know the gravity of what we've done in order to take the hand of someone else who can guide us to the next step. So a lot of people don't get to that point and get close to healing and that place of finding a way to live with it.