 in that way. And he starts to help people understand things that they didn't understand before or believe things that they didn't believe before. Right, right. Very good. Fascinating conversation. And we've got deeper waters to plumb here as we're talking with our spiritual director, Father Brian Gross, about moving from your head to your heart in prayer. If you have questions about how to do just that, or maybe you have advice, tips to give on how you engage both heart and mind in your prayer,