 and really be honest about their own complicity in the disenfranchisement of Black people. That's Kelly Carter Jackson, a professor of Africana Studies at Wellesley College. People had to really think hard about that for the first time. And I think for some people, thinking hard about reparations meant only thinking symbolically. Like, okay, well, we're going to take down this flag, or we're going to take down this statue. We're going to change the name of this street, right? That's the reparation.