 I said to those researchers, you're asking me to operate with one hand tied behind my back. I have more to offer than just being a scientist. I have friends who are better scientists than me. That's what you just want is an academic. I'll introduce you to other academics. You don't need me. And I could tell, again, Scott sort of liked the chutzpah that I showed in that moment. And that's when he and another person he was working with offered me a job.