 And a couple weeks ago, I talked to him on the air about his conversion story. He wrote a book called Mortal Adhesions. And if you want to check it out, the website's the same, mortaladhesions.com. I'm sure you can do a search and get it. It's a riveting tale. It's actually a great, great story of how he ended up having a profound conversion. He had a lot of wealth, a lot of success.