 well that's the problem today i mean kevin ray i talked about this a great deal he served in the main legislature i think he served in the senate for eight years he was senate president he said when he first went and we used to get together at the liberal cop and eat dinner or wherever it is they went to but that was one of the places over in hollow while they used to go to by the time he was done with his eight years that wasn't happening anymore when you break bread with someone it's very difficult when you're in a disagreement with them to make it personal