 So went through it a second time together, kind of like New Year's resolutions, and we just went gazelle intense. We got the EveryDollar app, started budgeting. Had been budgeting on paper before that, but EveryDollar is way better than paper. So really from that point on, we were gazelle intense and took everything we had, basically learned to live on one income and throw the rest of it at debt.