 And so if you're not in that small circle, even even Saki just didn't have access in. So therefore, it wasn't ever in the loop. Just Saki could. And this gets into my third point, which is Saki at least could pretend to know what she was talking about. She worked in the State Department before she came up through the ranks, if you will. She'd been a campaign spokesperson. Karin Jumper was an organizer.