 And he was really interested, but there was so much he didn't know. And he had to undo a lot of the myths and misunderstandings that he had been taught about the Catholic Church. Things like, well, Catholics try to earn their salvation. We don't. Catholics worship Mary. No, we don't. Things like that. So we fell into a kind of rhythm where we would talk on the phone for an hour or two. It seemed like it was every week for three or four weeks.