 So this is maybe another thing, Nancy, by way of my sort of rambling answer here. And that would be I read constantly when I was a kid. I would go out and play football and baseball and all the other fun stuff with the kids. And I enjoyed all that. And I did all that. But I also spent a lot of time reading. So I read a lot of Catholic things. I read the lives of the saints. I remember reading especially with special interest about the martyrs.