 BET interviews. At Gordon. He's not done well. He's a little angry. At Lester Holt, it was pretty much a meltdown. Maybe you'll ask me some real questions next time. And then you see the way he moves. And then you see the donors are sitting on the side. However, hope is not all lost. Cedric Richmond says the Biden-Harris campaign alive and well. He's co-chair. Cut 23.