 De Leon has formed a controversial and counterintuitive view of the smugglers and coyotes. He says they're a natural extension of American hypercapitalism and broken American laws. Why are thousands of people dying a year to cross borders? Where are they going? What's driving them to leave their countries? What's pulling them towards these different places? How do these issues of legality then fit into those kind of conversations? But people want very simplistic, you break the law, you go to jail, you break the law, you die. And my first question is, well, what is at the root of this law?