 No, I don't believe we ever had that conversation. My mother became so busy. My father was working and they would pick up the little children at my grandmother's house, you know, come in in the evening. Dinner had to be started. There was things to talk over, things to do. I felt like that the three older children were just sort of, I felt that we were sort of left in a way to raise ourselves. I felt that they were too busy and to have