 of heaven as being kind of up there, and that makes sense, then, you know, so God leads Moses up there on the mountain, right, and that's where he gets the Ten Commandments and has this, what they call a theophany, an apparition of God's presence, you know. Of course, as he's up there, there's a lot of mischief going on down on the other side of the mountain. We know that story, too, and