 When you refuse to face an issue head on and it's the health care or excuse me, the mental health issue that is the problem. We'll break this down a little more. And we are joined at the bottom of the hour by my friend, Sergeant Betsy Brantner-Smith, national spokesperson for the National Police Association on this declaration of a health crisis around guns. The bottom of the hour. I'm Leland Conway in for the great Joe Pags on the Joe Pags show.