 Well, this is what Patrick Madrid says and gave my explanation, which I'll recap in a moment. And so there are a series of five different objections to my position. And so I'm just going to go through each one and offer some commentary on that. So in the summary, my position is this, that the church's law stipulates that in order for the marriage to be valid, we're talking here about at least one of the two parties is Catholic. And presumably, as you say, in this case, they're both Catholic.