 He was very prepared. And I'll never forget, he asked me, he goes, he was asking all sorts of questions. What kind of a valve would you like? We have some options here. And I said, I wanted a pig valve, so I thought it would enhance my barbecue eating experience. And he said, well, we don't do that. Those valves don't last very long, so you're going to get a graphite. I got a St. Jude heart valve.