 And, um, that was the first time I'd ever experienced anything like that or experienced a pilgrimage, um, in general. And it planted a seed, uh, with John Paul, the second there and, uh, fast forward. I think it was gosh, three. Oh no, no. Fast forward to the year 2000. Um, when I was a youth minister, the one thing I wanted the youth to experience was the pilgrimage, um, to world youth day.