 As soon as the person begins to try to move toward God, and that would be this man if he decides, okay, I'm going to call my pastor, I'm going to go to Mass on Sunday, and then I'm going to ask him after Mass if we can meet. Then we move into Rule 2, and it's not only in that dramatic case, but anyone, as I said before, it's probably most of us listening and part of this conversation, anyone who