 Perfect analogy. And we're talking to Carol Roth. Carol, I am curious to get your reaction to this back and forth. I mean, Karine Jean-Pierre, who is already a profoundly horrible press secretary. I don't know any press secretary that could have gone out there today and would be able to defend this president in any way, shape or form after what everybody witnessed on that debate stage. But sure enough, this is how she performed today. This is the latest cut, Ethan. So let's let's play that one. Get Carol's reaction on the other side.