 but indeed possible. Let's talk about time. Have you experienced that, where time has stood still for you? You were lost in prayer? Has time seemed to accelerate? Why do you think that is? I'm joined this afternoon, and I'm looking forward to this conversation with my next guest, Dr. Larry Chapp. He's a retired professor of theology. He taught for about 20 years at DeSales University near Allentown, Pennsylvania, and it's great to have him with us today. In 2013, he actually did something a little bit different. His wife,