 says must turn up an army and attack the Americans, the Americans might say, no, we're not going to be traitors. We're not going to acknowledge that the Pope has that kind of power, but we're going to listen to him and obey him when he talks about faith and morals. So that's the kind of distinction that they try to draw. This confusion still persists today. I know you talk about the Catholic Declaration of Independence, and we can talk a little bit about the Carol