 But in the case of someone like me or you or the Lutheran minister in question who was never validly ordained as a Catholic priest, no matter how sincere you might be, no, nothing would happen. It would still be bread. It would still be wine. Let's see. And I apologize. This is going to be a little muddled, so I'm hoping you can kind of sort through it a little bit. Exorcism, casting out demons.