 during the Bush-Iraq War era, and that's why I considered myself more of a left-winger or progressive at the time. And over time, I think, as I mentioned, things went a little bit sideways just in what I thought that quote-unquote team stood up for. And so over time, that led me to question a lot of my first principles and I suppose change my perspective on a lot of things. But the interest in politics has always been there.