 you know, a true Christian, a believer in her view. So they went to this debate and I chatted with them briefly afterward, but it wasn't for probably a couple of weeks before I really got the full story. And here's what happened. Doug said, after the debate was over, they get in the car and he says to her, well, what'd you think? Huh? Huh? What do you think? How about that debate? Huh? And she said, oh, I think Patrick Madrid lost.