 Well, when you were mentioning about the overwhelming feeling, I think it does parallel pilgrimage because when you go to these sacred sites, whether it's the Holy Land or in Rome, you're just awed by the scale of it, the significance of what it means. And it really does take a lifetime. I know for all the pilgrimages I've gone on, still years later, I'll go back to moments or experiences or in prayer, there'll be a consolation that bubbles up. And I believe that will happen