 Although, in general, the Carmelite order is more of a contemplative order, cloistered nuns and so forth. But there's the friars, and then there's also the third order, lay Carmelites. And that Carmelite spirituality has given the church great saints, including the reformer saints like St. Teresa of Avila and St. John of the Cross, the two great Spanish saints. In a moment, we'll take a look at some of that as well. But back to the...