 about 25 and still do it my champion Brad Dyer Didi Richardson good morning and Bobby Wachowski that was fantastic oh god I forgot Bobby my goodness yeah well I'm forgettable that happens I know so you know along those lines I and Ray you're well aware I worked the polls in Portland for over 15 years volunteering you know when people came in and so forth and I you know it was a great privilege it's wonderful people that volunteer there and I