 hopelessness or nihilism is pretty boring and just like not American. So I'm going to shift us a little bit. I'm going to make you kind of go back a little bit in history before we dive in a little more into the arguments that you're making. It feels like poverty, like as you have explained it as a feeling, as people's opportunities, it feels like the world has always been divided in haves and have-nots. It's almost like part of the human condition. So like when did poverty as we know it today start in the U.S.?