 Is it the ghost tourist, the lucrative ghost tourism industry making money keeping those stories alive? Padre Pio, the great stigmatic from Italy, who's now a great saint and bore the wounds of Christ, he once said that he saw more spirits of the dead, of the deceased, than of the living. And there were hundreds of thousands of people who came to San Giovanni Rotundo to see him, right? St. John Bosco had interactions with spirits.