 but that's a harder people experience that as being told to do something rather instead of that saying, Hey, you know, how's your relationship with Jesus? You know, how do you, do you remember your baptism and are you going to church? Are you seeing the importance of church in your life? And oftentimes Lorna, what will come out is people say, well, I haven't been to church for a long time or, well, I've, I've, I have some disagreements with the Catholic church on these different topics and, and,