 So that's, yes, that is something that has been taught by the church all along. And as you look at the church fathers, for example, in the early centuries of the church, they refer to Mary, for example, as Ever Holy Mary or the Spotless Virgin. There are different ways of using it. The term Immaculate Conception, like the term Trinity, is not one that you find in the Bible. You won't find the word Trinity in the Bible, but you do find the teaching of the Trinity and you can find the teaching of