 Everybody says, well, the Catholic Church wants us to have lots of children. Why are they opposed to in vitro fertilization? Because grace is what's given and sin is what's taken. What we do about conception as Catholics is we accept what God gives. And, well, God is not giving me children, so I'm going to take some. It's absolutely forbidden. It is not the way God made it. The intimacy between a man and a woman,