 to my mind and my heart that was closed against the truth of the Catholic Church, I left thinking that the Catholic Church was wrong. And when you did that, it made me start thinking, well, maybe there is another way to look at the Bible and the Holy Eucharist. And long story short, he began to read the Church Fathers. He started to read the Catechism of the Catholic Church. And he was so happy to say that he had come back to the Catholic Church. Now, I don't know about the other fellow. Hmm.