 So the mill knew we were coming. They put up a big sign that said, Ray and DeeDee Richardson, you're welcome here. And they gave us a tour of the mill in Jay. And I had a chance to speak with the mill manager. And I never will forget, there was an important question. I knew that he had been a manager in South Carolina. And I said, what is the difference between running a mill in South Carolina and running a mill in Maine?