 if the agency was making an interpretation of an ambiguous statute. And, of course, there are a lot of ambiguous statutes. And the Chevron decision, as would be expected, even though we don't talk about it around the dinner table, is one of the most cited administrative law cases that there is. So it was difficult to challenge. And in the regulatory state issue that you and I have talked about so much, the context of it is agencies issue like 3,000 rules and regulations a year.