 And just to go back to Gail's phone call one more time, too, when you were recommending that, yes, by her example, and that's one of the things that I think many people see that and they try to live according to the gospel and not just following rules, but also seeing the joy of Christ kind of settle into their life, an intimacy, a peacefulness about them, all these things that we hope are radiating outwards, which are all