 And it got to the point where I said, well, I'll tell you what, I would be happy to send you some materials. At that time, I think it was CDs and maybe a few books and some tracts or whatever, and we'll package that up and send it off to you. And he said, yeah, I'm really interested, but I'm worried because my wife told me that if I were to become a Catholic, she would divorce me. And they had some school-age children, too. I think they were in grammar school.