 All right. But sketch the scene. I mean, he is this trove of information. He's collecting artifacts and documents. But you walk in. What does he have up in the living room? A big oil painting of General Robert E. Lee. It shocked me. But he looks at it as history and part of his heritage. He says he's not a white supremacist. And the truth is, is they were concerned a little bit about being labeled white supremacist or racist. And they're not. I know them.