 We look to them and the particular, I repeat, particular charism that they have been given, their part of the body, to help us and to help us remain rooted in a relationship with a true and living God. As we've said before, Patrick, I think one of the problems that we all face, we all face, regardless of who we are and how much education we've had, we all have the tendency to create idols within ourselves and an image of God