 And I love looking at it as an adventure. Our spiritual director today is Sister Maximilian Maria, and she is talking with us about making a pilgrimage. If you have had experiences on pilgrimages that you'd like to share, what has it meant for your spiritual life and where did you go? And what advice do you have for pilgrims or a question that you might have about pilgrimages? Give us a call, 888-914-9149. Again, 888-914-9149. We'll get to your calls coming up right after this short break. We'll be right back. Stay with us.