 uh... yet no i am uh... i'm glad that you remember uh... meeting with me a lot of fun as we were starting various catholic initiative twenty five years ago in my case i was part of the of the maria school of law team and you were at such a fascinating personality who arrived on the scene to get this thing called catholic radio off the ground it was fantastic oh my goodness yes yeah those were the early days uh... in fact may he rest in peace uh... i did the very first uh...