 by way of giving the copy of Surprised by Truth. It would be good for him to read it too. And what I've recommended before, I'll leave it at this, when people call in and if I recommend that book, I would say, why don't you, so when the husband or the wife is opposed to the person becoming Catholic, I'll suggest, why don't, when the kids are in bed, everything's quiet, you get this book, pour a glass of wine or whatever you like to drink, and then sit down on the couch, and one of you read one chapter, and you discuss it, and then the next night,