 On Ideas, you've been listening to Cultivating Belonging with Jamie Chai-Yun Liu, recorded at Crow's Theatre in Toronto. You can hear Ideas wherever you get your podcasts and on CBC Radio 1 in Canada, across North America on US Public Radio and Sirius XM, in Australia on ABC Radio National and around the world at cbc.ca slash ideas. You can also hear us on the CBC Listen app. I'm Nala Ayed.