 But they had invested wisely. They put their money in the stock market over a long period of time, saved a lot of money to retirement. And the financial numbers are going to be they are financially independent today. And then they get to pick when they want to retire. And then when I start talking tax planning and Roth conversions and all these other things that we can do to pay less tax in the future, that's a lot of fun because they did all the work independently.