 Back in 2008, I'll tell a story. I was working very hard to try to get Michael the vice presidential nomination. A great deal of affection for this man. And things obviously changed after the 2016 election. There was a divergence. In fact, I think the last conversation I may have had with Michael was sometime in 2020. Maybe 2019. I think it was the fall of 2019. And, you know, it's...