 Well, leaving out Roswell for a minute, and of course I don't, because I'm certain the government has wreckage, but even leaving that out, Ted Phillips in Missouri has collected several thousand physical trace cases from 90 countries. These are cases where people see the saucer on the ground, and after it leaves, one finds physical changes, the equivalent of burn circles, burn rings, landing gear marks, footprints. These are not crop circles now. These aren't beautiful.