 drove to Rehoboth and talked to him face-to-face. Does he still remember Chuck Schumer? He talked to him. So if Chuck Schumer tells him, Joe, there's no way to win, you're going to kill our chances in November. But when he leaves the room, there's nobody there but his family. That's the point. I guess these people have an act, but when they leave, there's no campaign or at least very little campaign access.