 This old and this doddering can't be radical. So he could kowtow to the left without being portrayed as progressive radical. So he's overperforming among older white voters. Until recently, he was doing well in the working class white states, the blue wall states. Kamala Harris, I think, kicks all that away. So that's the downside. So I asked him, do you want to go against Joe Biden? Is it to your advantage? Listen, I don't care if it's him or somebody else. It's also policy. It's