 Well, look, part of the issue here for Obama is that they have a very complex relationship. You go back to 2015, Joe Biden, the way he tells the story is that he feels like Barack Obama encouraged him not to run in the 2016 race. The way that Obama understands that is different, that he was trying to tell Joe Biden to focus on grieving after his son Beau died and that he wasn't really up for what that campaign would be. Importantly, though,