 But Kamala Harris, at least, is the vice president and has been through this. And I don't think that any Democrat is going to say, all right, I'm not going to go for Kamala Harris. It's can you then woo over those independents who don't like Joe Biden as much because he is too old? Now, I'm just going to go with what people are saying, Brian. And I say people, people who have been in this business a long time. Voters like new. Voters love new. Okay.