 as you call him, or the Virgin Mary or the angels, that would be a different story. But you can't say you've left the Church when you honor these people and when you live a moral life. She has some reason for saying that. I know so many people out who will tell me, I absolutely hate the Catholic Church's organization. It's clergy, it's bishops, it's garbage. And then I find that they're very good people. It's just that something bad hit them