 But then if you want to go up, I mean, that's the beginning. I mean, because I want people to understand is if you're a career firefighter, you're allowed to do certain things based upon your training and education. Same in the volunteer service. You just can't say, I'm a volunteer. I want to be chief. It doesn't work that way. You have to have qualifications. You have to be tested. And that all goes with the program, right? Absolutely.