 But he was a very successful businessman. He sold his business for a lot to Microsoft. So I think those sorts of things are not only appealing to President Trump as a partner, not only someone who can step in, but who can help him get things done. They're also very appealing, I think, to voters, particularly in swing states like mine, where that's a big selling point to the suburban college educated voters who maybe voted for Trump in 16 that moved a little bit away from the 20. This could bring them back home.