 And she said, if you think there's consensus among people who want Joe Biden to leave, that they're going to support Kamala Harris, the vice president, you'd be mistaken. She says a lot of people who want President Biden off the ticket want the entire ticket wiped out. So are our Democrats risking something completely unknown if they do support efforts for President Biden to step down? Well, I think speaking to her point, skipping over Kamala Harris would be political malpractice.