 and establish roughly the same report that's exactly what we do except we don't do it with two at the farsight institute we typically do it with eight students at a time all separated so they can't see each other working they're all separated physically with barriers but the point is we teach them the procedures and then we give a target and then all eight work on the target in silence right in silence all separated they can't see each other right and then at the end of the session