 You said they were counselors. I didn't know what they did or what their backgrounds were. That's all it says is that they were counselors. That's a thousand different things you could be a counselor on. We don't know all the details about that by any stretch of the imagination. But if you've got two counselors, no matter if you're someone who's helping drug addicts or you're helping kids and trying to get into college or whatever kind of counselor it is, you at least would have, I think, the experience to pay attention.