 I worked for a guy named Spicer, Bill Spicer, from Spicer Productions. He did video and movie type of stuff back in the 80s when we used three-quarter inch and one-inch video. He did commercials. He did all kinds of different things. And I was a salesman for him and an errand boy. And this was very young in my career. And I just wanted to get into the professional. He also owned a DJ company.