 feet of leaves and fallen timber you know when a tree falls if it's there for more than 18 months it becomes like a matchstick okay it's dry dead bone dry and the leaves underneath are bone dry in some cases they're there for years and when you start one little fire it goes up the whole thing goes up if they would clean that out you wouldn't have fires you would have very few fires i mean you have cities that are called forest cities they're in forests in europe