 They had to do it right, and the debate is bad. But if you listen to that interview, he still doesn't sound good. No, he sounds like an old person. He sounds to me like Biden. Look at the speeches he made over the weekend. Well, it is of note, if you watch some of these campaign stops that he does, even though it's got the microphone, like the microphones that are built into the stand with the presidential seal, he still has a handheld microphone.