 think he was over that he was in the 60s i don't think we've exhausted enough on this 20 year old yet there's still more to delve into in this background another part of the story that keeps coming out everybody and we'll get to this a little later in the show talking about the secret service role in this is the building that he actually climbed up up on was a staging building for law enforcement that they actually had law enforcement in the building to be able to kind of surveil the area and he was able to climb up on top of the very building that law enforcement was in i mean