 And he rarely misses. When Chris Matthews is on MSNBC, I drop whatever I'm doing and I'm going to listen very carefully. Because he's not a woke type Democrat. He's very similar to James Carville. When James Carville or Chris Matthews speaks out, I listen carefully. Because they're not part of this whole race politics. They're older. They've seen a lot. They were part of the whole kind of Clinton coalition. They're not in the wing of the AOCs or the Rashida Tlaibs.