 And that's what was mind-boggling to me, too, about the debate with former President Trump, was the fact that he was just, when President Trump was talking, he was just staring into space. And it's like, wow, I mean, that's our President of the United States. He's just staring into space. He went on these long answers to the questions, and he didn't need to. And then he went down rabbit holes, a lot of them.