 You take your kid on a play dance, and my kid's about to be 13. They're coming up next. I describe them differently now. I take the young men out to hang out now. Monitor them while they're at the mall or something. Actually, my kid's not one who wants to go hang at the mall. But him and the young kids, I'll take them out to different events. As he grows older, you start to see some of the natural separation. And one thing I've learned, and a lot of people know this, I ride bikes often, and him and I ride out bikes.