 And we were talking, kind of going through the process, and gradually he started to lean forward in his chair. He started to be a little more engaging. He finally uncrossed his arms, and I made a joke, and then he laughed. And I was like, all right, I finally got this guy kind of going on. And we were going back and forth. I said, well, what brings you in? And she started talking about it, and then his comment was, I'm just here to make her happy.