 I mean, it's that sinister, in my opinion. Miranda Devine joins us next. We'll talk about the Biden family crime syndicate and the fallout from the debate. I'm Leland Conway for Joe Paggs on the Joe Paggs Show. You're listening to Joe Paggs. WFMV Newstime, 830. This is 930 WFMV and WFMV.com. 930.