 So the particular podcast, which was like a two and a half hour podcast that he was complaining about, I actually put a stopwatch on it because I was cute. Well, I didn't have to look at the timer, but I looked at the actual number of seconds that he lapsed, he was complaining about. It was less than 60 seconds before the show started. And then it was maybe a hair over 60 seconds for me to introduce the panel and the topics and that sort of thing before we got into the grist for the mill.