 Okay. That ought to help her out greatly. She tends to think that I'm knowledgeable, but you got me beat by a mile. I had no clue. Well, that's what I do at my house. All right. Well, she wants to do it. I said, do you just want to do a light pruning or extreme? And she said extreme. So I don't know how small she wants to make it. Well, there's no such thing as cutting back a holly too far.