 You know, I really had not seen any of the big ventriloquists. I had had a couple of ventriloquists come to my school and my church, and I was not that impressed. Even as like a young kid, like four and five years old, I thought, this isn't very good. And once I decided to pick up the craft and start doing ventriloquism, I really started to look at people like Edgar Bergen, Jimmy Nelson, Sherry Lewis.