 Listen, we'll talk a little bit more about this next hour, but it is of note, too, that someone has to challenge Kamala Harris. So you have to have ambition. You have to say, you know what, she's not the, I'm the best one. And who is that person? I'm not sure it's Gretchen Whitmer. I don't think Bernie Sanders is going to do it. I don't think any of the senators are going to. To me, it's like, does Gavin Newsom really want to do this or not? I think it's going to be governors. So I think that's happening behind closed doors as well. We'll talk about it coming up next.