 Yes, Kai Hagen. How's it gotten this way? What's going on now? And what should be done in the future? With former county commissioner and former councilman Kai Hagen. And Mary, quite contrary, was one of the good suggestions. And Frank and I talked about it. It was a great suggestion to get him down there. He's in agreement with Steve McKay, who has asked for or presented a moratorium that's kind of blown apart because somebody in the council took it out to the outside builders and he got their input before it was supposed to. And