 He didn't fall over and he was making eye contact and he didn't freeze. Other than that, it was not assuring. He didn't have the significant decline that you would say, oh, my God. But he also didn't make you feel better when it was all done. And that's the lowest threshold to meet is he didn't fall over. But I do think that there comes a point where if they really want him out, they go to him and say, look.