 Michigan governor, I think she's a viable candidate. Absolutely. There's a governor in Colorado, Jared Paulus, who doesn't get a lot of attention, but he also, he's able to talk to middle America as well as to the coast. So you have these folks out here. Gavin Newsom, of course, is always hanging out there. But that's damaged goods. That's damaged goods. But even if you look at Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg, according to poll numbers, he's polling well against Donald Trump. But there's this wedded nature to Joe Biden. Let's get Ray in Essex.