 They're really not. It's going to be interesting. So when we come back, what I'd like to do is take a quick break, and then when we come back, we're going to have my guest share his thoughts as a business owner, and then we'll talk some more about this. You're listening to The Jen Charlton Show. I have with me today Liz Harrington, and Liz worked closely in the past with President Trump, and she's now a civilian mom. Yes.