 for those 15 people? Should we be having that many people in these types of roles? Are there different places that could cut from that could help clean up a lot of what we're dealing with? It takes money to make money. I'm a firm believer in that. But once again, we have to give back where it's necessary. Let's hear a little bit more from what the mayor had to say this morning with C4 and Brian when it comes to this. We're going to continue to push