 They are circulating polls and focus group results showing that the debate did little to change the dynamics of the race and they are ignoring any contrarian polls or results. They're warning of chaos. Of course, fear mongering. This is what they're going to do. They are making plain in private conversations the perils of an open convention and the risk of picking a Democrat even more unpopular than Biden. Basically, Kamala Harris. That's what they're referring to.