 But he weighed in on a phone call. There's a recording of him on a phone call with donors telling them in California that Biden can't win and that we need to make a decision as to what to do to make sure he doesn't drag down other candidates. Because here's what the deal is, everybody. It's not about for many of these candidates, Brian, and 530 Club, whether or not they think Joe Biden is bad or whatever. It's their own job. They don't want to go down with the ship.