 that we don't know about to try and get rid of Biden so they can pump up anybody they want. Well, Mark, there's a pretty clear move inside at least part of the Democrat Party to have Joe Biden step down. But Joe Biden has the ability to say yes or no to any request for an interview. He said yes because his campaign felt that it was a good thing to do to rebound against the disastrous performance he had in the debate against Donald Trump. So if they were stupid about this, then they were stupid about that. I think the debate was a setup.