 Ginger Goebbels did not take to the podium every day to give her personal opinion. She gave the best spin possible, oftentimes lying to advance the agenda of the president of the United States. That's kind of the job. So to sit there and say, well, she worked with him is to undercut it like they're pals, like they hung out, like they collaborated on a couple of things. They did not at all collaborate on anything.