 And there aren't going to be a whole lot of more voters saying that. So read between the lines. That's exactly what Plouffe was saying. Plouffe was a campaign manager for Barack Obama's successful 2008 campaign. So, you know, he knows campaigns. He knows exactly what's going on. Charlie Sykes, this is an interesting character, folks, started off as a conservative working at WTMJ Radio in Milwaukee. That's where he began to get the major leagues and decided that he would go anti-Trump.