 But also, I think, have discussions the way we're having them now about this. And to that point, do you have optimism that we are going to be able to pull the rhetoric back and cool things down? Or do you feel like we're just going to continue spiraling down this runaway train? No, I mean, I've been involved and we have about 3,000 low-income grassroots leaders in 39 states. And they're all different racial and ethnic groups. And all of the years that we've been meeting,