 But it was bad. It wasn't great. It did not give confidence to you if you watch that interview. So it was after that interview that David Axelrod wrote this in his commentary that CNN, he posted on CNN, Biden's defiant delusion. Now think about that, the title of the op-ed, Biden's defiant delusion. And this is a man who loves him. This is a man who loves him. He put the campaign together early in the interview Friday.