 Then you get a rebuttal. And that was where you really have to think if you're Joe Biden and why would he do that? And there was no crowd. Everyone thought that's bad for Trump. Trump doesn't care. You know, Trump goes to Leslie Stahl. No, there's no crowd there. He goes to Caitlin Collins with a crowd at CNN. Okay. He won that crowd over. So the crowd didn't matter to Trump in retrospect.