 So this has never really been a smart person. He's always failed upwards. And only because Barack Obama needed somebody with some foreign policy experience because Obama was basically a community organizer and was in the Senate for five minutes. So they needed somebody with, I guess, gravitas. So it came down to Tim Kaine and Joe Biden. And they saw Joe Biden as more folksy and can get votes in places like Pennsylvania and Michigan because of his relationship with the unions. And that's how he got to the vice presidency. And then it took a once in a lifetime pandemic.