 And they were more of a rock band. Now they got rid of their lead singer and they found a lead singer from Karaoke Night or whatever it was. Right, exactly. And again, just very quickly, a lot of these bands, I mean, they're known for their sound. And Steve Perry is Journey. He was the sound. They kicked him out, but he was the sound. It was his voice that was the sound. It's like Peter Cetera. He's the voice of Chicago. So...