 You talk to the oil and gas people, and John's right. He's the devil to them. They talk about Linda Forrest, Don Briggs, gone. I'd have never let somebody take a deposition if I didn't know exactly, exactly. They know what questions are coming. But if you're going to sit here and say litigation's hurting you, you've got to be able to rally off the companies that said this and why they leave it.