 and all this ghostly stuff you talked about and he looked at me kind of smirked he goes kid i was you know involved in this stuff for many many years since i was a kid he said let me tell you this stuff is real hey he started recounting some more stories to me and and the thing was there's a guy with him and lorraine a young man he was probably a couple years older than me and he was sitting next to ed with a yellow notepad and i didn't know he was and then