 transitioned from just a few short years ago from being an avowed never-Trumper to somebody who's now effectively a surrogate for the former president. That's a big change in a relatively short period of time. Long before he ever, I don't know if he thought about politics, but before he entered politics, he wrote and published, I think, a very compelling book, The Hillbilly Elegy, about his own experiences growing up in poverty and winding up in Ivy League schools. Also a Marine Corps veteran.