 But I should give a quick response to the numbers that you mentioned. The nice thing about the numbers you mentioned, those literally do track my 11 years as CEO of the company. So I'll take some fairly direct responsibility for those. However, the numbers have been good for almost 20 years now. And in those, if you go back to those mid-'80s, there was a CEO, Steve Lind at the time, and there was Chief Operating Officer Vern Stewart,