 America, did you just hear this? A pastor who listens because there's always something to learn from somebody. Even if you disagree with them, there's always something to learn. And you listen and you don't hate. God bless you. All right, go ahead. Well, I was listening to one of her lectures and she's just naturally curious and she's very intellectually honest. And so I've followed her for several years and just kind of watching the journey that she's on. And