 first exposed to him through his written word in the Hillbilly Elegy. And his life story is absolutely powerful. And it's something, I think, for people to be mindful of exactly what he has overcome. He was born into abject poverty, the likes of which, frankly, very few people fully understand. Real poverty. A father incarcerated, a mother drug addicted. Very, very, very little hope. And he managed to emerge from that.