 On the phone, she lived in Seattle, and I did not, so I had to call her and have a conversation with her. And there's a pattern that goes on, and I'm waiting to see if that's the case here, where I would ask her something, and she would give me an answer and then turn right around and a minute later go over the same exact thing and a minute later say the same exact thing. She forgot that she just said what she said.