 and both the strategy development between the two of them, but more the implementation on Vern's part, really were responsible for the turnaround in the 80s. Your question about, you know, we must have been looking at a lot of some serious fire drills, fire sales, et cetera, at the time, in fact, was correct. The turnaround was really on two tracks. One was, how do we put in place the infrastructure that the system lacked?