 on this. And I think at the time, there was a case out of Oregon Supreme Court that dealt with knives, and that was really kind of all you had. So the vision was get a case to the Supreme Court. Well, how do you do that? Well, you look for lawyers and scholars, and that's what the organization did. In the early years, it did a lot of coordinating between lawyers and scholars with what needed to be done as far as research, writing,