 heavily invested and maybe even married to the idea that these are physical craft, these are extraterrestrials from our galactic backyard who are piloting these crafts. How does this go with them? I've gotten some criticism from some who say, oh, Thompson's bringing religion into this. I'm not bringing religion at all into this. I'm saying that these are a kind, these are comparable to experiences that are extreme religious experience when we study the religious experience.