 to read his book, The Hillbilly Elegy, sometime back, actually on the advice and recommendation of my own kids. And I'm struck by his thoughtfulness. I think he's extraordinarily bright. But he, not too terribly long ago, was an avowed never-Trumper. So there's been a substantial change there in terms of his philosophies and his appreciation for the 45th president. And this will be, I think, very interesting. It's fascinating.