 And ironically, when he died several years ago in Columbus, Ohio, I was his last interviewee, interviewer. Yeah, and George, I think you know this, but I spoke to him on the way to the airport. I know. And he sounded good. He did. He sounded fine. Then he died of a heart attack, didn't he? Horrible. Just horrible. At the airport. But Richard Dolan, he was another good one who was alive and kicking and...