 But my experience is anecdotal. I can tell you that one of the things I had found was my dad was very against, against, against. And then all of a sudden, one day out of the blue, he asked me if I would take him shooting. So naturally, I did. And that same stupid smile I told you about that was on my face when I was about 12 years old, that stupid smile was plastered in his face. And it wasn't an overnight change for sure.