 Biden responded by pushing back and being defensive about the polls, telling Pelosi he has seen polls that indicate he can win. Now, I don't know where he's seen these. But those are real. Those are not hallucinations, Joe. Those are real, real polls. Go with that instinct. Yes. At one point, Pelosi asked Mike Donilon, who's a big long-term Biden advisor and one of the very few people still in the inner circle for Joe Biden.