 when they knew all along they were acting like this was just a big shock. But he was on the Joe, what is that? The Morning Joe. The Morning Joe. Morning Joe on MSNBC with Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski. Yes, and it was interesting to me because they had him on speakerphone. They had him rather than, you know, we live in a world where they all Zoom now, everybody. Whenever you see anybody on podcast or TV, if they can't be there, they have them.